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Message 1280801 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 23:39:22 UTC - in response to Message 1280708.  
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The median income for a household in the city was $39,705,


I presume you mean Nashville Metro. That's not a bad number when you figure that probably half of Nashville's (within the city)limit population doesn't work at all.

I am not talking about the inner city gettos. I am talking about the progress made in the State of TN. Check the conditions in Newark, Chicago, Detroit etc.

I live in Williamson county TN. Check out the per capita income there. The per capita income is $41,000 and there are probably an average of three people per household; so we are probably over $100,000 in household income. Additionally the cost of living is extremely low here--no State income Tax--low property taxes etc.

What is your household income ?? Where do you live ??
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Message 1280809 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 0:05:07 UTC - in response to Message 1280801.  

Wm, remember I don't work, I am one of those retired parasites. I live an hour west, 15 miles from Seattle.
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Message 1281017 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 14:36:09 UTC - in response to Message 1280985.  

I know it is difficult to watch a President attempt to do what he says, be supportive of the working class, and try to make things better being stifled by
a congress(regress). And we are supposed to be upset about.. the President??
Who got elected without the help of Diebold?

I will continue to support his leadership despite the doom and gloom being PREACHED by the teapublicans.
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Message 1281037 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 15:31:17 UTC

I dont like either one of the Bozo's running. One of them justs wants to kiss the the religous an or richmans butt, And on the other a guy who promises us change.

I havent seen a sorry ass bunch of canidates since Johnson and Goldwater and to be fair Gore and Bush.

What ever happend to the premise of getting the best and brightest to run for office. Seems we get the stupid and stupidest. Well we get what we vote for.

I will vote, But for who I have no idea. Seems like we are going to get it shoved up our posterier no matter who wins.
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Message 1281055 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 16:04:49 UTC - in response to Message 1281037.  

I dont like either one of the Bozo's running. One of them justs wants to kiss the the religous an or richmans butt, And on the other a guy who promises us change.

I havent seen a sorry ass bunch of canidates since Johnson and Goldwater and to be fair Gore and Bush.

What ever happend to the premise of getting the best and brightest to run for office. Seems we get the stupid and stupidest. Well we get what we vote for.

I will vote, But for who I have no idea. Seems like we are going to get it shoved up our posterier no matter who wins.


Its all about image.

Consider the music industry 60 years ago and at present.

Kate Smith wouldn't have a career let alone a record contract. Image is everything. From Madonna to Lady gaga, its about how they look and less about the music. Honestly, todays pop music is just an abomination. everyone sounds pretty much like everyone else and the clothing styles become more exaggerated to be different that we ignore that they are playing the same songs.

Now talk about politicians. More exotic and strange ideas. Strange because hearing the same old thing that works is boring. We want different things, yet we still want the same thing. Boring works. Exotic hasn't you get to pick the prety face that wins


In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
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Message 1281063 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 16:19:37 UTC - in response to Message 1281045.  

The economy was tanked by Bush. And every time Obama tried to get the economy rolling again, the Teapublicans have screamed NONONONONO.

Try to compromise? NO. Try to work together? No. Try to get some relief to the middle classes? NO.

Fortunately at least we got a health care bill done. He has proposed legislation, much of which passed in the senate with bipartisan support, but the congressional cat-herders made sure nothing got through.

Dubya managed to get through by lies, deceit and corruption almost anything he wanted. Anyone that got in his way was branded as unamerican for not supporting the president. These same people who try to paint us as unamerican for SUPPORTING the president.

Hypocrites, Swindlers, Theives. Your Teapublican dream.
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Message 1281114 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 17:53:43 UTC

Religious right wing wacko's.....EVEN ON THE SETI FORUM.

You would think a belief in the possibility of extra-terrestrial life and science couldn't coexist in the same mind as religious anti-science bigotry.

Its very strange.

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Message 1281231 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 0:52:01 UTC - in response to Message 1281063.  

The economy was tanked by Bush.

The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007. That was the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995.

For those who are listening to the liberals propagating the fallacy that everything is "Bush's Fault", think about this:

January 3rd, 2007 was the day the Democrats took over the Senate and the Congress. At the time:

The DOW Jones closed at 12,621.77
The GDP for the previous quarter was 3.5%
The Unemployment rate was 4.6%
George Bush's Economic policies set a record of 52 straight months of job growth.

Remember the day... January 3rd, 2007 was the day that Barney Frank took over the House Financial Services Committee and Chris Dodd took over the Senate Banking Committee.

The economic meltdown that happened 15 months later was in what part of the economy? Banking and financial services.

To add to this crises by dumping 5-6 trillion dollars of toxic loans on the economy from your Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac via the Bill Clinton signed revision to the Jimmy Carter era Community Reinvestment Act.

Bush asked Congress 17 times to stop Fannie & Freddie - starting in 2001 because it was financially risky for the US economy.

And who took the THIRD highest pay-off from Fannie Mae AND Freddie Mac? Senator Obama. Remember his ACORN was suing banks left and right over the new provisions in the Community Reinvestment Act forcing them to make toxic loans.

And who fought against reform of Fannie and Freddie? the Democratic Congress.

Budgets do not come from the White House. They come from Congress, and the party that controlled Congress since January 2007 is the Democratic Party.

Furthermore, the Democrats controlled the budget process for 2008, 2009, 2010 & 2011.

In that first year, they had to contend with George Bush, which caused them to compromise on spending, when Bush somewhat belatedly got tough on spending increases.

For 2009 though, Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid bypassed George Bush entirely, passing continuing resolutions to keep government running until Barack Obama could take office. At that time, they passed a massive omnibus spending bill to complete the 2009 budgets.

And where was Barack Obama during this time? He was a member of that very Congress that passed all of these massive spending bills, and he signed the omnibus bill as President to complete 2009.

If the Democrats inherited any deficit, it was the 2007 deficit, the last of the Republican budgets. That deficit was the lowest in five years, and the fourth straight decline in deficit spending. After that, Democrats in Congress took control of spending, and that includes Barack Obama, who voted for the budgets.

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Message 1281243 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 1:52:50 UTC
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Gary, a lot of truth in your talking points. A couple of talking points I also like are 2 unfunded wars for the short term. and for the long term, the fact, IMO is the restructuring of the economy starting with the sainted Ronald Reagan. The economies tanking started a long time ago with both political parties very culpable but I feel the Republicans took control of the direction. Few of the people had a good memory of the "great depression" and no longer saw the need for adult supervision, so they choose short term gain instead of long term stability. It's a F...ing mess and the question is does the country have the fortitude for shared sacrifice or do we explore new territories?
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Message 1281278 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 4:48:02 UTC - in response to Message 1281231.  
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...The day the democrats took over was not January 22nd 2009, it was actually January 3rd 2007. That was the day the Democrats took over the House of Representatives and the Senate, at the very start of the 110th Congress. The Democratic Party controlled a majority in both chambers for the first time since the end of the 103rd Congress in 1995....


Yes, but it was the things that Bush and his buddies did that led up to the collapse. He wasn't a president, he was his own special interest. He did not lead the country, he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself and his friends. Nothing more. And in the end the damage they did to our system led directly to the crash and economic downturn.

Everyone talks about the housing collapse. Did everyone forget what gas/oil was before Bush??? Bush and Cheney were two people with the power to control a huge portion of the market, and their vested interests did just that, and practically doubled the cost of fuel in a few short months (and have had RECORD PROFITS ever since, yep record profits during our struggle to keep afloat...) Once this happened everyone and their brother was spending 30-100$ more PER WEEK just to live, that's big money, and it sure as hell contributed to the downward spiral.

Romney is more of the same. A business man who's main goal will be to make himself and his close friends richer.

This is why I'm a Democrat, and this is why "what I'm going to to about Obama" is vote for him again.


(And Gary, the Dems aint perfect either, they are in the pockets of big business also. But as I will always maintain, currently they are the lesser of two evils in my opinion.)


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and for the long term, the fact, IMO is the restructuring of the economy starting with the sainted Ronald Reagan.


That says it all. It was the beginning of the end. The day the earth stood still, and the rich took over. In the beginning it seemed great. But what it did in the end was kill the middle class. There, I said it, hang me out to dry.
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Message 1281286 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1281278.  
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he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.
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Message 1281299 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:36:39 UTC - in response to Message 1281243.  

Gary, a lot of truth in your talking points. A couple of talking points I also like are 2 unfunded wars for the short term.

True, the idiot tea/norquist not a dime more tax is just crazy. Massive tax increases are needed. Anyone making over $10,000.00 a year needs to be in at least the 50% tax bracket for the next decade to pay for the spending, entitlements and unfunded mandates we have today. That amount is north of $140,000.00 per taxpayer, so it is no joke!
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

and for the long term, the fact, IMO is the restructuring of the economy starting with the sainted Ronald Reagan.

Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

The economies tanking started a long time ago with both political parties very culpable but I feel the Republicans took control of the direction. Few of the people had a good memory of the "great depression" and no longer saw the need for adult supervision, so they choose short term gain instead of long term stability. It's a F...ing mess and the question is does the country have the fortitude for shared sacrifice or do we explore new territories?

Unfortunately, there are far too many people who can't do math, er arithmetic, and believe money grows on trees.

It is absolutely vital that we change the constitution to prevent this country from running a debt. Not just a balanced budget, but a zero debt ceiling, accrual accounting style including those unfunded ponzi schemes of Social Security and Medicare. We can't expect that to happen overnight. We can expect a balanced budget overnight. Paying down our debt will take longer than most of the people who will read this will live! We can't start today either as doing so will choke the economy, but perhaps a trigger provision, until unemployment gets under 6% we pay it down at at least 1% a year rate, when it gets under 6% we pay it down at at least 2% a year, and when it gets under 5% pay it down at at least 4% a year. But if we don't do something today, before most of you are dead a $100.00 bill will be worth less than a penny is today.

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Message 1281306 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:48:11 UTC - in response to Message 1281299.  

Gary, and if you bother doing the math, as I am sure you do, debt can be a good thing. A problem with debt is that it is often abused.
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Message 1281308 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 1281286.  
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he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....
(Which is exactly what Romney will perpetuate, and exactly what we DONT need.)
It seems no one realizes that stripping the masses of small amounts of money hurts everyone. Without the masses having spending money, where's the top 1% supposed to get more $ from???

In continuance, here's one for Dull. Perhaps the plan was all along to let the masses acquire wealth, so there was something big for the taking in the end? It's just too bad the masses lost their care of politics and let the Unions die.
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Message 1281310 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:49:42 UTC - in response to Message 1281278.  

Everyone talks about the housing collapse. Did everyone forget what gas/oil was before Bush???

Did you forget what happened on 9/11? I guess you did. You forgot that the speculators in Europe and China drove the price of oil ever higher. Bush tried to get more oil wells in the USA, but no, the oil the USA gets comes from places that are all to happy for a bidding war. And China buys more and more oil to make and ship the goods the USA buys from them. Yes, it is all Bush's fault that China is a growing economy.


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Message 1281313 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:53:09 UTC - in response to Message 1281308.  

he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....

But he isn't and you said he enriched himself. So I say you knew you were not telling the truth or had any care if you were telling the truth.
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Message 1281314 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 5:54:27 UTC - in response to Message 1281313.  
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he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself

Then he must be so rich now that he is on the Forbes list of the richest men in the world. If not, better get the wool out of your eyes.


Hehehe, I almost laugh at your retort. Because several of his closest buddies ARE on the list...

(Referring to Reagan)
Yes, a man who raised taxes significantly.

Um, he only raised taxes on the Middle and Lower ends, to make up for the HUGE TAX CUTS he gave to the top....

But he isn't and you said he enriched himself. So I say you knew you were not telling the truth or had any care if you were telling the truth.


Actually I said Bush AND HIS FRIENDS

If the point you are making is that he was just a puppet, you are correct. But that doesn't mean he didn't profit off his puppet-ness. (And perhaps Obama has profited too, this is a problem, if not THE problem)
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