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Message 1282499 - Posted: 11 Sep 2012, 3:42:14 UTC - in response to Message 1282481.  

I'd be wary of this one too as the US incarcerates a disproportionate number of blacks and the poor.


I think that you will find that it is in proportion to those committing the crimes, offenses and felonies. It's not because of any implied prejudice.

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Message 1282515 - Posted: 11 Sep 2012, 4:50:04 UTC - in response to Message 1282481.  



I think that you will find that it is in proportion to those committing the crimes, offenses and felonies. It's not because of any implied prejudice.


The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, so it seems that William believes Americans are the worst people on Earth and deserve to be imprisoned.



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Message 1282517 - Posted: 11 Sep 2012, 4:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 1282515.  



I think that you will find that it is in proportion to those committing the crimes, offenses and felonies. It's not because of any implied prejudice.


The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, so it seems that William believes Americans are the worst people on Earth and deserve to be imprisoned.



I shall be charitable and attribute it to the quality of the water he must be drinking.
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Message 1282519 - Posted: 11 Sep 2012, 5:10:08 UTC - in response to Message 1282517.  



I think that you will find that it is in proportion to those committing the crimes, offenses and felonies. It's not because of any implied prejudice.


The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, so it seems that William believes Americans are the worst people on Earth and deserve to be imprisoned.



I shall be charitable and attribute it to the quality of the water he must be drinking.

He must have been joking. There is no way he could come out with something like that and be serious.
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Message 1282574 - Posted: 11 Sep 2012, 10:32:25 UTC - in response to Message 1282519.  
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We will send our deserving criminals (only those convicted) up to Toronto and Ottawa so that you can hug them. This will help our northern neighbor score full marks in the area of diversity. How many do each of you want to harbor in your house. Or perhaps you could get your lord mayor to request a transfer of a few hundred thousand of these felons as a humanitarian gesture. What do you say Laddies ?? Maybe they can loot the Eaton Center or the Banff Springs hotel with impunity or they could go on a frosty skate on the Rideau Canal.
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Message 1282891 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 15:45:13 UTC - in response to Message 1282574.  

We will send our deserving criminals (only those convicted) up to Toronto and Ottawa so that you can hug them. This will help our northern neighbor score full marks in the area of diversity. How many do each of you want to harbor in your house. Or perhaps you could get your lord mayor to request a transfer of a few hundred thousand of these felons as a humanitarian gesture. What do you say Laddies ?? Maybe they can loot the Eaton Center or the Banff Springs hotel with impunity or they could go on a frosty skate on the Rideau Canal.

Ignorance isn't something you should be proud of William.
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Message 1282915 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 16:54:08 UTC - in response to Message 1282904.  

but I like to follow the rules

Sounds like you want a bunch more rules to follow.

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Message 1282932 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 17:10:09 UTC - in response to Message 1282891.  

We will send our deserving criminals (only those convicted) up to Toronto and Ottawa so that you can hug them. This will help our northern neighbor score full marks in the area of diversity. How many do each of you want to harbor in your house. Or perhaps you could get your lord mayor to request a transfer of a few hundred thousand of these felons as a humanitarian gesture. What do you say Laddies ?? Maybe they can loot the Eaton Center or the Banff Springs hotel with impunity or they could go on a frosty skate on the Rideau Canal.

Ignorance isn't something you should be proud of William.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/press/LLGSFP.PR
An estimated 28.5 percent of black men, 16.0 percent of Hispanic men and 4.4 percent of white men can be expected to serve a state or federal prison term.

WHY?


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Message 1282974 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 18:37:04 UTC - in response to Message 1282932.  

We will send our deserving criminals (only those convicted) up to Toronto and Ottawa so that you can hug them. This will help our northern neighbor score full marks in the area of diversity. How many do each of you want to harbor in your house. Or perhaps you could get your lord mayor to request a transfer of a few hundred thousand of these felons as a humanitarian gesture. What do you say Laddies ?? Maybe they can loot the Eaton Center or the Banff Springs hotel with impunity or they could go on a frosty skate on the Rideau Canal.

Ignorance isn't something you should be proud of William.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/press/LLGSFP.PR
An estimated 28.5 percent of black men, 16.0 percent of Hispanic men and 4.4 percent of white men can be expected to serve a state or federal prison term.

WHY?


Very good question.

Easy knee jerk answer: black men and hispanic men are natural criminals.

Complex answer based on research: Black men and Hispanic men are more often poor because of institutional racism. They are less likely to be able to access a good lawyer, there is an inbuilt prejudice in the system, they are more likely to be falsely accussed. They are more likely to end up in crime because it is harder for them to get a job, good education etc etc etc. All the lovely things that go with prejudice and racism.

I once had a argument with someone here who used to post, who was quite ignorant and bigoted about race and the issues surrounding it. Because of his experience as a US citizen he believed that because most of the ghettos and bad areas in America were filled with black people and hispanics that there was something fundamentally wrong with those people and they deserved it.

Obviously he had never heard of places like Glasgow, or Belfast which have ghettos filled with white people and all the problems one associates with the black ghettos in the US.

Poverty, lack of opportunity, lack of access to law and so on.

Of course this brings us to your "slackers" argument.

Why is it Obama's fault if people are unemployed? Surely the high unemployment rate is just because people are "slackers". Obama doesn't have to do anything to fix the problem. Those lazy poor people just need to get on their bikes and go find a job.
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Message 1282975 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 18:37:38 UTC - in response to Message 1282932.  

We will send our deserving criminals (only those convicted) up to Toronto and Ottawa so that you can hug them. This will help our northern neighbor score full marks in the area of diversity. How many do each of you want to harbor in your house. Or perhaps you could get your lord mayor to request a transfer of a few hundred thousand of these felons as a humanitarian gesture. What do you say Laddies ?? Maybe they can loot the Eaton Center or the Banff Springs hotel with impunity or they could go on a frosty skate on the Rideau Canal.

Ignorance isn't something you should be proud of William.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/press/LLGSFP.PR
An estimated 28.5 percent of black men, 16.0 percent of Hispanic men and 4.4 percent of white men can be expected to serve a state or federal prison term.

WHY?


Gary, it has been obvious that something has been broken for a long time. If a viable answer were to come up I wonder if our society has the fortitude to use it.

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Message 1282985 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 19:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 1282974.  

Complex answer based on research: Black men and Hispanic men are more often poor because of institutional racism. They are less likely to be able to access a good lawyer, there is an inbuilt prejudice in the system, they are more likely to be falsely accussed. They are more likely to end up in crime because it is harder for them to get a job, good education etc etc etc. All the lovely things that go with prejudice and racism.

http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~waltonj/404_rr/mass%20imprisonment.pdf
Although growth in the U.S. prison population over the past twenty-five years has been widely discussed, few studies examine changes in inequality in imprisonment. We study penal inequality by estimating lifetime risks of imprisonment for black and white men at different levels of education. Combining administrative, survey, and census data, we estimate that among men born between 1965 and 1969, 3 percent of whites and 20 percent of blacks had served time in prison by their early thirties. The risks of incarceration are highly stratified by education. Among black men born during this period, 30 percent of those without college education and nearly 60 percent of high school dropouts went to prison by 1999. The novel pervasiveness of imprisonment indicates the emergence of incarceration as a new stage in the life course of young low skill black men.

Interesting. So it seems school is the issue. But WHY do so many drop out of free available high school education? What allows or forces a child to drop out?

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Message 1283026 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 22:14:10 UTC

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=8808005
Residents were seen running out to pick up the cash, even running into the street in front of police vehicles.


For a couple of twenty dollar bills ...
Obstruction of Justice, Destruction of Evidence ... each $1000 fine and a year.

Some people make good life choices.


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Message 1283027 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 22:16:04 UTC

Shame, so much time being wasted, slacking, by posting to S@H, when the bipartisan solution was suggested just a few posts back. With all Guys' sincere lub lub lub for ya, SLACK ON, SETI Slackers! :)
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Message 1283031 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 22:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 1283026.  

Gary, can the State of California afford that? California already spends more on incarceration than education.
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Message 1283037 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 22:58:57 UTC - in response to Message 1283031.  

Gary, can the State of California afford that? California already spends more on incarceration than education.

No it can't. And it just today cut back on education more. However, the tough on crime ballot propositions get voted in with the backing of the prison guard union money buying the sleaze ads.

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Message 1283043 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 23:35:52 UTC - in response to Message 1282904.  

You know, another way of looking at incarceration rates is that maybe we still have more individual freedom here in the U.S.


That's a most interesting perspective you have there Guy the Great.
More people are in prison because of the "freedoms" Americans enjoy. WOW



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Message 1283048 - Posted: 12 Sep 2012, 23:51:18 UTC - in response to Message 1283043.  
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You know, another way of looking at incarceration rates is that maybe we still have more individual freedom here in the U.S.


That's a most interesting perspective you have there Guy the Great.
More people are in prison because of the "freedoms" Americans enjoy. WOW



Robert, I believe Guy has been taking lessons in logic from ID.
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Message 1283050 - Posted: 13 Sep 2012, 0:00:37 UTC

As a nation we either re-elect him or vote him out. Personally I think at best he has done a poor job and will vote the other way. As a citizen of the USA I will abide by whichever choice the people, ill informed as they may be, make.
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