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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gary, and if you bother doing the math, as I am sure you do, debt can be a good thing. A problem with debt is that it is often abused. A little used sparingly can be okay. Routine use is asking for trouble. We have trouble. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
he used his office to rape this country for the profit of himself So you admit it, you did say Bush! You didn't say just his friends. |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Thank you Gary. I've tried explaining this before to the left wing athiest/Marxist/socialist/communist wackos in here before but it just goes in one ear and out the other with them. I should very much like to see option #1 become a reality this fall......and I think it may. I only wish there were something a bit more inspiring than R&R to push things along. I actually like Ryan better than Romney. Wish the ticket could be flipped...LOL. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Thank you Gary. I've tried explaining this before to the left wing athiest/Marxist/socialist/communist wackos in here before but it just goes in one ear and out the other with them. You should be very wary of anyone who is a follow of Ayn Rand. Apart from the fact she was a psychopath it is her ideas of totally unregulated capitalism are what got the world into this mess in the first place. Why on Earth would you vote someone in who just wants to bring those policies back? Are people really that forgetful?
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submit to a nameless, faceless government run by people who you give total control of your life over Already there, and been there for a long long long time. No Matter Who Is Prez. No matter who is in Congress. No matter what party. WillItMatterToTheSun?NoFourthAngel May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Interesting fact from the Federal Reserve. "45 percent of before-tax income goes to the top 10 percent of families ranked by income. 75 percent of wealth goes to the top 10 percent of families ranked by wealth." Draw your own conclusions concerning shared sacrifice. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Why would someone from the U.K. or Canada give a crap about what's happening here in the U.S.? If you don't understand that then you know less than I realised. -Regulate the markets? How, by deciding who gets rich and who remains dependent? We've made lots of progess here, and looks where we are now. I suggest you do some background research into how the crash happened. It was because of widespread fraud in the banking system because all the oversights had been removed. I thought you would be aware of this. -Raise taxes on the rich? The top 10% pays 70% already. Done. Look where we are now. Next? They do not. They actaully end up paying less of a tax than you or I after they have taken advantage of every possible tax loophole they can. -What about democrats who've worked to block anything a republican has done? (see my two options in a previous post) I agree on your reaction against the fillibuster. Although it has been used to a ridiculous extent during Obama's term of office. -Tea party believes in the individual, communists believe in the state. What has communism got to do with this election? If you actually knew anything about communism you would know that Obama is no where near being a Communist. This argument is smoke and mirrors and has nothing to do with the current US election. Please try to keep your arguments rooted in reality. -roads, bridges, infrastructure, alternative energy--when it becomes economically viable, it happens already! I thought we were talking about the future tea party governemnt that wants to cut back on all Governemt? These things are not happening on the on the level they should be. There is a start difference between the quality of the infrastructure in the US compared to other western countries. It does not compare favourably. (unless you're a statist and want to use this as a means to control the population...)More hyperbole. Please try to keep this nonsense out of the discussion. -Single payer health care? Why not single payer food store and a single payer housing market and a single payer [fill in the blank] so that everyboy has every single one of the *rights* fulfilled? Check out the last of the 3 constitutions of the U.S.S.R. Why not just accept that as our new consitution and try that again? More hyperbole. If the things you suggested worked and made life better then you would be stupid to rule them out. They have not been proven to do so (for various reasons that I am pretty sure you don't understand, things are far more complicated than you seem to think), whereas single payer healthcare has been shown to work and be a cheaper, better and more effective method of healhtcare delivery. Why cut off your nose to spite your face? You are just as much a slave if you are handing your effort, work and labour to big business without a fair exchange, than if you are handing it to a communist state (which isn't an issue in this situation). A rip off is a rip off. -Capitalism depends on a mobile work force? That's it? No. Besides, you're not a capitalist, so I don't even know why you're stating this. You're a statist. You want to submit to a nameless, faceless government run by people who you give total control of your life over, so quit talking about how to make capitalism work when you don't want capitalism. You don't know what I am. I am however not ignorant and apparently I know more Capitalist theory than you do, more communist theory and am even aware that there are other systems out there than just these two. Again your answer is merely a bunch of hyperbole and not based on any reality of the situation. You cannot hope to fix the situation or make stupid sweeping statements on how the other person is wrong if you don't even understand what the situation is. Which you clearly don't. Pinning meaningless labels to me then attacking me is not a valid argument. The sort of argument you are making actually has a name. It is called a straw man argument. It does not surprise me that you do it so well as it is a favourite ploy of the current Obama decriers. There are plenty of valid complaints you might make against Obama, but you have failed to make any of them. -Stop trying to mandate women's bodies? How about this: I think the default decision for any woman who gets pregnant (married or not) should be abortion. She should have to justify carrying that baby to full term to a board with at least a simple majority of global warming experts who can evaluate her plea to determine if her plan includes restrictions on the carbon foot print of this future person. And the board should have until she's at 3 centimeters before they make their final decision. That's where communism leads. You may not realize it, but that's what you're asking for. Not how you took my point to here. I thought I was quite clear that I was asking for it to be a woman's individual choice. Do you even read people's posts here? Or do you just hit reply and start channelling Rush Limbaugh though your keyboard? -Start believing in science? BELIEVING? HA!A poor choice of words on my part. Perhaps recognising and understanding the validity of scientific thought and process? Not quite as catchy perhaps. But when scientists try to get brief and catchy the ignorant jump on it. Nothing but LOVE my seti@home brothers and sisters, sincerely, I do hope you are trying to learn from them. Reality Internet Personality |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Why would someone from the U.K. or Canada give a crap about what's happening here in the U.S.? Of course whatever happens in the US will have NO effect on Canada or the Eurozone economy. Sort of shows just how out of touch you really are. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
Romney is proud of the "fact" he paid 13% of his "taxable income"(what that means between me and him are VERY different matters.. what even qualifies as his income is highly suspect.). The top 10% pay 70%? O REEEaaallly.. 70% of what, because it is certainly not of what they made. End the games. Janice |
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You don't know what I am. A Cutter or Axelrod wannabe. Or name any of OBlabby's Minions. Definitely not Clint. We Are All Slaves TheSunToEndSlaveryInOneHotBlastFourthAngel May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Es, you appear to be trying to hold a rational discussion with Guy. Rational discussion requires both (or all) parties to be capable of rational thought. Guy has demonstrated a great deal of emotion, and tremendous capacity to sustain disbelief regarding facts and policies. The only substantive purpose you can have in replying to Guy is to point out just how far removed he is from reality -- and that is not for Guy's sake (he's beyond that sort of thing), but rather the rest of the folks out here. I'd note that as irrational as Guy is, out in this message board, he has company in his flights of fancy. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Es, you appear to be trying to hold a rational discussion with Guy. Rational discussion requires both (or all) parties to be capable of rational thought. Guy has demonstrated a great deal of emotion, and tremendous capacity to sustain disbelief regarding facts and policies. The only substantive purpose you can have in replying to Guy is to point out just how far removed he is from reality -- and that is not for Guy's sake (he's beyond that sort of thing), but rather the rest of the folks out here. I'd note that as irrational as Guy is, out in this message board, he has company in his flights of fancy. I am not qualified to make a mental health diagnosis (and even if I were it would not be possible over the internet). Unfortunately Guy is not alone and it is frightening to watch how far US politics has descended into the irrational. Reality Internet Personality |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Romney is proud of the "fact" he paid 13% of his "taxable income"(what that means between me and him are VERY different matters.. what even qualifies as his income is highly suspect.). The top 10% pay 70%? O REEEaaallly.. 70% of what, because it is certainly not of what they made. Of what? Of the total tax revenue. Another way of saying it is the top 10% pay their share and cover another 6 slackers each. Is that ratio fair? Honest question. How many slackers should a high income person carry? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Barry, I feel it is important for posters such as Guy to get their views out so the rest of us can see an irrational side of politics. In Guy's case it seems if you are not with him you must be a communist. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30639 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
I suggest you do some background research into how the crash happened. It was because of widespread fraud in the banking system because all the oversights had been removed. Actually it happened because the oversight responsibility was transferred from professionals to people with a profit motive. I thought by now everyone knew what happened when Bill Clinton signed the revision to the Community Reinvestment Act. |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11361 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Romney is proud of the "fact" he paid 13% of his "taxable income"(what that means between me and him are VERY different matters.. what even qualifies as his income is highly suspect.). The top 10% pay 70%? O REEEaaallly.. 70% of what, because it is certainly not of what they made. Gary, is the Wall Mart clerk a slacker? Most of them pay little or no income tax. If you say, yes they are slackers and should get more productive jobs then who will be there to enable your shopping? |
Snowmain Send message Joined: 17 Nov 05 Posts: 75 Credit: 30,681,449 RAC: 83 |
Religious right wing wacko's.....EVEN ON THE SETI FORUM. You would think a belief in the possibility of extra-terrestrial life and science couldn't coexist in the same mind as religious anti-science bigotry. Its very strange. |
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You would think a belief in the possibility of extra-terrestrial life and science couldn't coexist in the same mind as religious anti-science bigotry. What has NOT BELIEVING in The Communist-Socialist/DEMLib Doctrine of The Peace Prize Winning Messiah of BlahBlahBlah got to do with Science? Science is a Government Grant Sucking Machine creating More Entropy for The Treasury than many of the Give Aways now existing for The Regular People, and producing many times far less for Dollar Spent. Real Science is found in the R & D Labs of The Hated Corporations most Communist-Socialist/DEMLibs buy their Products from. And The Labs at Universities and Colleges, who quickly Incorporate and Monetize any Science comming out of them. I wouldn't want to live on a Profs' Salary. That is why a lot of Profs trade The Markets. hehehe TheScienceOfTheSunFourthAngel May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
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