So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama?

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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,969,423 RAC: 380,594	Message 1279523 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 4:57:07 UTC - in response to Message 1279522.
	Mark. You're going to vote the teabagger line no matter what the truth is. Good luck with that. And your advice would BE??? Just what, Robert? ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,969,423 RAC: 380,594	Message 1279525 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:04:16 UTC - in response to Message 1279521. Last modified: 3 Sep 2012, 5:05:38 UTC
	Mark, you are correct, "a hard rain is gonna fall". I guess with Mitt it won't be on the working man because many of them will not have jobs in this country, therefore they will no longer be working men. Sigh..........I don't know where to go here. Rommer is not gonna be this country's saviour, I know that. Obummer is even more clearly not the way to go. Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now. You all try to accuse me of being left of center. Where the F would some of you have me go, for chrissakes? There is simply no where left to go, dammit. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Terror Australis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1443 Credit: 184,949,604 RAC: 115,725	Message 1279526 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:08:01 UTC
	Due the the fact they don't have to worry about being re-elected, isn't it usual for US presidents to be most productive/reformist in their second term ? In their first term they have to tread softly because they are keeping one eye on the next election. In the second term this worry is removed so they can "go for it". T.A.
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,969,423 RAC: 380,594	Message 1279529 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:13:55 UTC - in response to Message 1279526. Last modified: 3 Sep 2012, 5:14:20 UTC
	Due the the fact they don't have to worry about being re-elected, isn't it usual for US presidents to be most productive/reformist in their second term ? In their first term they have to tread softly because they are keeping one eye on the next election. In the second term this worry is removed so they can "go for it". T.A. That is a VERY scary thought/ ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Terror Australis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1443 Credit: 184,949,604 RAC: 115,725	Message 1279530 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:21:18 UTC - in response to Message 1279525.
	Sigh..........I don't know where to go here. Rommer is not gonna be this country's saviour, I know that. Obummer is even more clearly not the way to go. Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now. You all try to accuse me of being left of center. Where the F would some of you have me go, for chrissakes? There is simply no where left to go, dammit. My sympathies are with you Mark. In all countries we have been reduced to a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedle-even-dummer. World wide politics has been trivialised. Who do you vote for when both both options have their heads planted firmly in their posteriors ? FIIK. Maybe the answer is to ignore the major parties and vote for an independent. If enough people did that it might scare the majors into putting up good candidates and good policies. Although what would probably happened is that the rules would be jiggered to make it harder for independents or minor parties to run. T.A.
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,969,423 RAC: 380,594	Message 1279535 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:44:10 UTC - in response to Message 1279530. Last modified: 3 Sep 2012, 5:47:39 UTC
	Sigh..........I don't know where to go here. Rommer is not gonna be this country's saviour, I know that. Obummer is even more clearly not the way to go. Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now. You all try to accuse me of being left of center. Where the F would some of you have me go, for chrissakes? There is simply no where left to go, dammit. My sympathies are with you Mark. In all countries we have been reduced to a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedle-even-dummer. World wide politics has been trivialised. Who do you vote for when both both options have their heads planted firmly in their posteriors ? FIIK. Maybe the answer is to ignore the major parties and vote for an independent. If enough people did that it might scare the majors into putting up good candidates and good policies. Although what would probably happened is that the rules would be jiggered to make it harder for independents or minor parties to run. T.A. I tried that when Lee Iococca ran. I actually thought that as a businessman, he might have had a clue how to run a freaking country. I admit, I just don't know which way is up right now. The ditch or the grave........dunno. Sad, that is all the choice we have now. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Ex Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 2883 Credit: 1,184,295 RAC: 985	Message 1279542 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 6:04:52 UTC - in response to Message 1279529. Last modified: 3 Sep 2012, 6:06:50 UTC
	Due the the fact they don't have to worry about being re-elected, isn't it usual for US presidents to be most productive/reformist in their second term ? In their first term they have to tread softly because they are keeping one eye on the next election. In the second term this worry is removed so they can "go for it". T.A. That is a VERY scary thought/ Or a pleasant one, depending on your take. Maybe the answer is to ignore the major parties and vote for an independent. If enough people did that it might scare the majors into putting up good candidates and good policies. Although what would probably happened is that the rules would be jiggered to make it harder for independents or minor parties to run. T.A. Correct and correct, there is the problem. ____________ -Dave #2 3.2.0-33
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,969,423 RAC: 380,594	Message 1279545 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 6:23:17 UTC
	I still do not have an answer to the question posed in the thread's title. Does anybody have some advice for me other than cut and run? I see two choices here, neither of them acceptable. Doing nothing is also not acceptable. Voting for an independant is sexy, but they unfortunately have no chance in the current system. (That should change, by the way.) WTF??????????? ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,675,980 RAC: 7,795	Message 1279558 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 7:26:44 UTC - in response to Message 1279545. Last modified: 3 Sep 2012, 7:27:53 UTC
	MS -- well, for me, considering the alternatives, I would vote for Obama. And you see that is a problem for you -- a goodly number of people agree with me, and yes, a number of people agree with you. As to cut and run, with your view of the world, I doubt there is any place you can or would cut and run to. I mean clearly all of Europe is out. I suspect all of Asia is out. Clearly all of North and South America is out. Australia and NZ also are too 'socialist' for you. Perhaps some countries in Africa or the Middle East might fit though. I suppose you could be true to your religious faith and let god sort it out for you.
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1358 Credit: 2,421,705 RAC: 2,185	Message 1279570 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 8:21:49 UTC
	Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now GOD sorted it out. I suppose you could be true to your religious faith and let god sort it out for you. GOD will be there, on Election Day, AT THE MOMENT everyone's mind/hand/finger is ready to vote. And GOD and Everyone will Know The Result, on Election Night. Or a month or two later if 2000 is repeated. Oh JOY! Or, The DEVIL will be Everyone's Guide when The DECISION is made. I know what my Mind/Hand/Finger will be doing. Voting for The Twit(MEH) and The Shreader. aka as Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan. Fiscal Responsibility. Leadership. No Blaming. Look how OBlabby and His Zombies are running the campaign. Beyond Sickening. Vote for OBlabby and Continue to Be The Problem. Vote R & R and Vote The Solution. TheSolutionIsTheGreatBigCMEcomingOurWayFourthAngel ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,857 RAC: 3,752	Message 1279571 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 8:26:50 UTC
	Does anybody have some advice for me other than cut and run? You could always do what others have done. But a plot of land in the middle of nowhere, build a house, put up a high fence all around it, and cut all ties with the world, and live by your own standards. A sort of personal commune if you like. Be a bit lonely though ....
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WinterKnight Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6985 Credit: 17,542,163 RAC: 15,494	Message 1279581 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 9:40:46 UTC Last modified: 3 Sep 2012, 9:41:21 UTC
	Reports all over the place that New York's Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, is invetigating 12 investment firms including Bain Capital, Mitt Romney's firm, about aggresive tax strategies in order to slice hundreds of millions of dollars from their tax bills. I have seen the Stories in NY Times, and in the Telegraph, Mail and FT in the UK. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/business/inquiry-on-tax-strategy-adds-to-scrutiny-of-finance-firms.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/romneys-wealth-in-spotlight-again-after-tax-probe-8101500.html And for Chris and Sirius http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197320/Now-Mitt-Romneys-firm-Bain-Capital-faces-investigation-attorney-general-dodging-MILLIONS-taxes.html
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,857 RAC: 3,752	Message 1279585 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 10:04:38 UTC
	Might be worth posting this stuff in the existing "Tax avoidance & Evasion" thread.
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2059 Credit: 3,398,169 RAC: 4,061	Message 1279661 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 15:38:39 UTC
	I've gathered that Mark doesn't want a strong central government with the powers to tax and regulate industry and trade. He doesn't want part of his income used for welfare programs or health care that is run as a universal single payer plan. He doesn't want gun control and leans toward the Nuggent vision of everybody being armed at all times. If the state of politics in the US has him thinking of relocating, I suggest a move to Somalia. Everything Mark wants can be found there. I hope he finds happiness in his new home. ____________ If any question why we died, tell them, because our fathers lied. Kipling, Rudyard
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1163 Credit: 2,068,803 RAC: 2,259	Message 1279693 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 17:07:39 UTC - in response to Message 1279661.
	I've gathered that Mark doesn't want a strong central government with the powers to tax and regulate industry and trade. He doesn't want part of his income used for welfare programs or health care that is run as a universal single payer plan. He doesn't want gun control and leans toward the Nuggent vision of everybody being armed at all times. If the state of politics in the US has him thinking of relocating, I suggest a move to Somalia. Everything Mark wants can be found there. I hope he finds happiness in his new home. Possibly Somalia would work for Mark. ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 23353 Credit: 4,628,857 RAC: 3,752	Message 1279697 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 17:12:32 UTC
	C'mon guys live and let live ...
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,675,980 RAC: 7,795	Message 1279724 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 17:51:30 UTC - in response to Message 1279697.
	Chris, well MS suggested the possibility of cutting and running -- so some degree of speculation regarding 'run to' seems appropriate. It is simply that his views make for some interesting speculation.
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msattler Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 34711 Credit: 354,969,423 RAC: 380,594	Message 1279746 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 18:56:58 UTC
	Yes, I have been known to generate a bit of discussion from time to time. ____________ ****** "Ask not, what your kitty can do for you. Ask what you can do for your kitty." As it is kitten, so shall it be done.
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Blurf Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 6454 Credit: 5,733,866 RAC: 2,794	Message 1279755 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 19:12:52 UTC
	I am voting for Obama. I have actually done better under his Presidency and we've both seen a significant rise in our incomes. ____________
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soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6231 Credit: 27,539,301 RAC: 1,259	Message 1279770 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 20:04:01 UTC - in response to Message 1279746.
	Yes, I have been known to generate a bit of discussion from time to time. That.. I nominate for understatement of the day. ____________ Janice
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