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Message 1279523 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 4:57:07 UTC - in response to Message 1279522.

Mark.
You're going to vote the teabagger line no matter what the truth is.
Good luck with that.

And your advice would BE???

Just what, Robert?
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Message 1279525 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:04:16 UTC - in response to Message 1279521.
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Mark, you are correct, "a hard rain is gonna fall". I guess with Mitt it won't be on the working man because many of them will not have jobs in this country, therefore they will no longer be working men.

Sigh..........I don't know where to go here.
Rommer is not gonna be this country's saviour, I know that.
Obummer is even more clearly not the way to go.
Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now.

You all try to accuse me of being left of center.

Where the F would some of you have me go, for chrissakes?

There is simply no where left to go, dammit.
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Message 1279526 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:08:01 UTC

Due the the fact they don't have to worry about being re-elected, isn't it usual for US presidents to be most productive/reformist in their second term ?

In their first term they have to tread softly because they are keeping one eye on the next election. In the second term this worry is removed so they can "go for it".

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Message 1279529 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:13:55 UTC - in response to Message 1279526.
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Due the the fact they don't have to worry about being re-elected, isn't it usual for US presidents to be most productive/reformist in their second term ?

In their first term they have to tread softly because they are keeping one eye on the next election. In the second term this worry is removed so they can "go for it".

T.A.

That is a VERY scary thought/
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Message 1279530 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:21:18 UTC - in response to Message 1279525.

Sigh..........I don't know where to go here.
Rommer is not gonna be this country's saviour, I know that.
Obummer is even more clearly not the way to go.
Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now.

You all try to accuse me of being left of center.

Where the F would some of you have me go, for chrissakes?

There is simply no where left to go, dammit.

My sympathies are with you Mark.

In all countries we have been reduced to a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedle-even-dummer. World wide politics has been trivialised.

Who do you vote for when both both options have their heads planted firmly in their posteriors ? FIIK.

Maybe the answer is to ignore the major parties and vote for an independent. If enough people did that it might scare the majors into putting up good candidates and good policies. Although what would probably happened is that the rules would be jiggered to make it harder for independents or minor parties to run.

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Message 1279535 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 5:44:10 UTC - in response to Message 1279530.
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Sigh..........I don't know where to go here.
Rommer is not gonna be this country's saviour, I know that.
Obummer is even more clearly not the way to go.
Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now.

You all try to accuse me of being left of center.

Where the F would some of you have me go, for chrissakes?

There is simply no where left to go, dammit.

My sympathies are with you Mark.

In all countries we have been reduced to a choice between Tweedledum and Tweedle-even-dummer. World wide politics has been trivialised.

Who do you vote for when both both options have their heads planted firmly in their posteriors ? FIIK.

Maybe the answer is to ignore the major parties and vote for an independent. If enough people did that it might scare the majors into putting up good candidates and good policies. Although what would probably happened is that the rules would be jiggered to make it harder for independents or minor parties to run.

T.A.


I tried that when Lee Iococca ran. I actually thought that as a businessman, he might have had a clue how to run a freaking country.

I admit, I just don't know which way is up right now.

The ditch or the grave........dunno. Sad, that is all the choice we have now.
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Message 1279542 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 6:04:52 UTC - in response to Message 1279529.
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Due the the fact they don't have to worry about being re-elected, isn't it usual for US presidents to be most productive/reformist in their second term ?

In their first term they have to tread softly because they are keeping one eye on the next election. In the second term this worry is removed so they can "go for it".

T.A.

That is a VERY scary thought/

Or a pleasant one, depending on your take.



Maybe the answer is to ignore the major parties and vote for an independent. If enough people did that it might scare the majors into putting up good candidates and good policies. Although what would probably happened is that the rules would be jiggered to make it harder for independents or minor parties to run.

T.A.

Correct and correct, there is the problem.
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Message 1279545 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 6:23:17 UTC

I still do not have an answer to the question posed in the thread's title.

Does anybody have some advice for me other than cut and run?

I see two choices here, neither of them acceptable.
Doing nothing is also not acceptable.

Voting for an independant is sexy, but they unfortunately have no chance in the current system.
(That should change, by the way.)

WTF???????????
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Message 1279558 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 7:26:44 UTC - in response to Message 1279545.
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MS -- well, for me, considering the alternatives, I would vote for Obama.

And you see that is a problem for you -- a goodly number of people agree with me, and yes, a number of people agree with you.

As to cut and run, with your view of the world, I doubt there is any place you can or would cut and run to. I mean clearly all of Europe is out. I suspect all of Asia is out. Clearly all of North and South America is out. Australia and NZ also are too 'socialist' for you. Perhaps some countries in Africa or the Middle East might fit though.

I suppose you could be true to your religious faith and let god sort it out for you.

Message 1279570 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 8:21:49 UTC

Dammit, JFK was the man. Sad he is not here now


GOD sorted it out.

I suppose you could be true to your religious faith and let god sort it out for you.


GOD will be there, on Election Day, AT THE MOMENT everyone's mind/hand/finger is ready to vote.

And GOD and Everyone will Know The Result, on Election Night. Or a month or two later if 2000 is repeated. Oh JOY!

Or, The DEVIL will be Everyone's Guide when The DECISION is made.

I know what my Mind/Hand/Finger will be doing.

Voting for The Twit(MEH) and The Shreader. aka as Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan.

Fiscal Responsibility. Leadership. No Blaming.

Look how OBlabby and His Zombies are running the campaign. Beyond Sickening.

Vote for OBlabby and Continue to Be The Problem.

Vote R & R and Vote The Solution.

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Message 1279571 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 8:26:50 UTC

Does anybody have some advice for me other than cut and run?

You could always do what others have done. But a plot of land in the middle of nowhere, build a house, put up a high fence all around it, and cut all ties with the world, and live by your own standards. A sort of personal commune if you like. Be a bit lonely though ....

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Message 1279581 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 9:40:46 UTC
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Reports all over the place that New York's Attorney General, Eric Schneiderman, is invetigating 12 investment firms including Bain Capital, Mitt Romney's firm, about aggresive tax strategies in order to slice hundreds of millions of dollars from their tax bills.

I have seen the Stories in NY Times, and in the Telegraph, Mail and FT in the UK.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/business/inquiry-on-tax-strategy-adds-to-scrutiny-of-finance-firms.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/romneys-wealth-in-spotlight-again-after-tax-probe-8101500.html

And for Chris and Sirius

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2197320/Now-Mitt-Romneys-firm-Bain-Capital-faces-investigation-attorney-general-dodging-MILLIONS-taxes.html

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Message 1279585 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 10:04:38 UTC

Might be worth posting this stuff in the existing "Tax avoidance & Evasion" thread.

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Message 1279661 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 15:38:39 UTC

I've gathered that Mark doesn't want a strong central government with the powers to tax and regulate industry and trade.

He doesn't want part of his income used for welfare programs or health care that is run as a universal single payer plan.

He doesn't want gun control and leans toward the Nuggent vision of everybody being armed at all times.

If the state of politics in the US has him thinking of relocating, I suggest a move to Somalia.
Everything Mark wants can be found there. I hope he finds happiness in his new home.

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Message 1279693 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 17:07:39 UTC - in response to Message 1279661.

I've gathered that Mark doesn't want a strong central government with the powers to tax and regulate industry and trade.

He doesn't want part of his income used for welfare programs or health care that is run as a universal single payer plan.

He doesn't want gun control and leans toward the Nuggent vision of everybody being armed at all times.

If the state of politics in the US has him thinking of relocating, I suggest a move to Somalia.
Everything Mark wants can be found there. I hope he finds happiness in his new home.

Possibly Somalia would work for Mark.
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Message 1279697 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 17:12:32 UTC

C'mon guys live and let live ...

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Message 1279724 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 17:51:30 UTC - in response to Message 1279697.

Chris, well MS suggested the possibility of cutting and running -- so some degree of speculation regarding 'run to' seems appropriate. It is simply that his views make for some interesting speculation.

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Message 1279746 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 18:56:58 UTC

Yes, I have been known to generate a bit of discussion from time to time.
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Message 1279755 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 19:12:52 UTC

I am voting for Obama. I have actually done better under his Presidency and we've both seen a significant rise in our incomes.
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Message 1279770 - Posted: 3 Sep 2012, 20:04:01 UTC - in response to Message 1279746.

Yes, I have been known to generate a bit of discussion from time to time.


That.. I nominate for understatement of the day.
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