James I'd say you have serious problem on identifying of information! I have nothing to do with china. They are a neighboring country.

I know that in south korea and japan there are huge westernization things going on that they are losing their domestic very civil heritages which I highly accuse western influence. So I am telling and identifying your growing problem which is bad for yourselves and others!!

'
You are right. You are from Mongolia.

But tell me no one commits murder in your country? You have no tribal fueds? The Kazaks are happy with your religion?

Wow thanks for bringing up kazak word!! You are a genius!!

Our way of treating kazak minority in our country is quite classical civilized lesson to america on how to treat minority with civil moral standards to say least man try to read some more information on that!!

Your country is quite young civilization barely few centuries old out to the east we have some central asian countries and russia china managed to exist plenty of few millenuims yet today having some civilizational edge to peek into your sides to wonder the unlikely phenomenons of yours.

Remember we have used paper money during 1300s 2 centuries prior to Christopher Columbus westward ocean travel! that is some edges of eastern civilization. (paper what entered into europe maybe around 1600s?!)

I do remember a civilized gent called Genghis Khan. He is wildly regarded in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. I think China and Japan think highly of him also.

---

[/quote]

Old James

James I'd say you have serious problem on identifying of information! I have nothing to do with china. They are a neighboring country.

I know that in south korea and japan there are huge westernization things going on that they are losing their domestic very civil heritages which I highly accuse western influence. So I am telling and identifying your growing problem which is bad for yourselves and others!!

'
You are right. You are from Mongolia.

But tell me no one commits murder in your country? You have no tribal fueds? The Kazaks are happy with your religion?

Wow thanks for bringing up kazak word!! You are a genius!!

Our way of treating kazak minority in our country is quite classical civilized lesson to america on how to treat minority with civil moral standards to say least man try to read some more information on that!!

Your country is quite young civilization barely few centuries old out to the east we have some central asian countries and russia china managed to exist plenty of few millenuims yet today having some civilizational edge to peek into your sides to wonder the unlikely phenomenons of yours.

Remember we have used paper money during 1300s 2 centuries prior to Christopher Columbus westward ocean travel! that is some edges of eastern civilization. (paper what entered into europe maybe around 1600s?!)

I do remember a civilized gent called Genghis Khan. He is wildly regarded in Eastern Europe and the Middle East. I think China and Japan think highly of him also.

All in all try to learn that during 1300-1500 period those bloody mongols were controlling vast territory from korean peninsula to german borders using first paper money doing first advanced economy and establishing first secure international trading through their invention effort of Silk Road, practicing vast geopolitical strategies and all those stuffs.

Today our economy is growing +17% vs america's 1-2%. So maybe 7 centuries prior super imperial geopolitics working some ways who knows?!

As a current empire please respectfully learn from older empires!

{1 history lesson: you call russian Cremlin/Kremlin but during 1300-1500 period it was actually mongol territory and Herem is mongol word for outer wall protection of any castle so linguistically Herem evolved into russian word Kremlya or in english Cremlin, in russian Kremlya means similar castle wall or you see big red wall of Cremlin at the Red Square Moscow there.}

There are many of these interesting history if you dig little deeper.

---

Mandtugai!

The criminal will still have a gun. The honest citizen will not [...] I think you will have more prey to get killed by the looneys and the killers.

I suppose you are right. Tibet: few guns (outdated at any rate) China: lots of guns. Result: China seizes an entire country and says "You are now officially part of China. Have a nice freakin' day" Or something to that effect.

Guns will always be around, no matter what potential law says they can't be. And you are right, loonies will get there hands on them no matter what and bad things will happen (murder, invading another country because...uh...yeah, why did China need to take Tibet? Has that been established yet?).

---

Guns save lives.

Could be but they take more lives than saving them. Guns are very dangerous, period.

---

rOZZ
Music
Pictures

That's true. It's the people who handle them...

---

rOZZ
Music
Pictures

ID -- which is why more people die in arson fires than by gun fire. Oh wait, that's not right.

By the way, it isn't that sort of gun that folks are 'up in arms' about -- its the automatic, semi-automatic, and autoload high rate shooting devices that cause concern.

Of course if people are the pure cause -- easy solution -- kill all the people.

So, do you want to try this again?

Perhaps that should be

"Inanimate objects do carry out or commit crime"

Because this lot certainly seems to" Cause" a few crimes




And how about this lot

---

Perhaps that should be

"Inanimate objects do carry out or commit crime"

Because this lot certainly seems to" Cause" a few crimes




And how about this lot

+1

---

ID -- which is why more people die in arson fires than by gun fire. Oh wait, that's not right.

By the way, it isn't that sort of gun that folks are 'up in arms' about -- its the automatic, semi-automatic, and autoload high rate shooting devices that cause concern.

Of course if people are the pure cause -- easy solution -- kill all the people.

So, do you want to try this again?

I own many different firearms. Some of them unload many rounds per minute. I have never killed anyone with my personal firearms. I have never started a fire that killed anyone. I'm not a hacker even though I'm on-line. Nor have I impaled anyone with my Bowie Knife.

There is no easy solution to the people problem. Killing them will not cure that problem.

Would you like to try again?

Perhaps that should be

"Inanimate objects do carry out or commit crime"

Because this lot certainly seems to" Cause" a few crimes




And how about this lot

I happen to think you have a "first cause" problem.

Ok ok ok. There's no fix to the problem of certain people going out of there way to inflict violence on others, regardless of whether it's a gun, knife, fist, 2x4, vehicle, stick, or even Jackie Chan opening a can of whoop a%# on someone. No laws can change bad stuff from happening. Bad things happen.

The problem lies within the person. Bad morality/sense of right and wrong, etc etc. It's been touched on here a little, and I think perhaps that is a root cause of the problem, not so much "get all the guns off the street and there will be no violence".

What do you guys think about this approach?

---

IF guns are not the problem then going by the statistics for gun crimes in the western world, the only logical answer is that there must be lots of bad Americans.

Personally I don't believe the logic above.

Therefore I have to conclude that it is the easy access to guns that is the problem in America.

And from quotes of our founders and framers on firearm ownership? Why do so many Americans feel the need to be armed?

Allow me to venture a guess. They trust their neighbor more then the Government.

Allow me to venture another guess as to why they don't trust their own Government and our Government is in the single digit approval rating. In a nutshell, our Government has sold more gold then we have in the vault. They may not tell you that gold is the reason but in some way, shape or form, they know they are being lied to. And my Country isn't the only one who has sold more gold then they have.

Who is going to disarm us? The largest armed force in the world is not the Armed Forces of the United States of America. It's the American gun owner who is the largest armed force in the world. So, who is going to disarm us?

Every Country in the world has people who will commit evil acts. This is a human thing not that of ownership or a Country.

Yes, I seen the show on Discovery about can we cure evil too. [smile] No, we cannot...

So, how do we cure what evil that we can? I'll agree with Hillary Clinton on one thing and one thing ONLY--"It takes a Village." If you want "No child left behind", it's going to take a village. But, know this, we will never rid ourselves of evil people. We can save a lot from themselves and help our selves in the process. It wont cost you a dime in tax either. Just treat your neighbor as you yourself would like to be treated, this is a human thing as well; one that seldom makes the newspapers or shows.

The human race is a violent species. It invented many ways to kill other species and itself.

If the only weapon available is a club, humans wishing to commit violence will use a club.

If a large bladed spear and a club are the only weapons available to humans wishing to cause violence they will use whichever does more damage.

If whatever is available does not do enough damage humans will invent something that does.

Banning guns outright in somewhere like the USA is not the solution. Keeping weapons out of the hands of humans wishing to commit violence is. This requires a lot of money spent on research and community health programs that can help to spot potential offenders. Most "western" economies don't have that sort of money to spend.

According to statistics the USA does have the highest number of guns per capita but is not the top of the table for gun deaths per capita. Now the eight countries that are above the USA are possibly considered "third world".

Interestingly Canada which also has gun ownership, is down at 21, one below Switzerland, which also allows gun ownership, remember this is deaths per capita so the population size is not a factor.

And where is the good old UK - 36 with a figure so small it, almost off the chart and only Singapore and Hong Kong below.

Conclusions?

---

Yes, I seen the show on Discovery about can we cure evil too. [smile] No, we cannot[...] Just treat your neighbor as you yourself would like to be treated, this is a human thing as well...

Uh, talking in circles there, bud. You gave an example of a way to "cure" some evil...by acting nice to others.

Thank you for helping me make my point, even if you meant not to :D

---

Conclusions?

You will not be able to stop the the good old UK from selling more gold then it has? Them who your government owes will take what you have in payment?

Mexico is one who is buying up a lot of the gold. One can only guess where the cash is coming from in that Country. So is China. What they have is a piece of paper not gold in the hand. What are you going to do when they come calling for the gold in hand?

----------------------------------------------------------------


"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788


"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms; …"
Samuel Adams
quoted in the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, August 20, 1789, "Propositions submitted to the Convention of this State"



"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence … from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable … the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
George Washington
First President of the United States


"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while on the other hand arms, like laws, discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as property. The same balance would be preserved were all the world destitute of arms, for all would be alike; but since some will not, others dare not lay them aside … Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
Thomas Paine


"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
Patrick Henry
American Patriot



"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson
Third President of the United States

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
Noah Webster
American Lexicographer

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson
to James Madison

-----------------------------------------------------------------

"Our main agenda is to have all guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort the facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed."
Sara Brady
Chairman, Handgun Control Inc, to Senator Howard Metzenbaum
The National Educator, January 1994, Page 3.

"If you wish the sympathy of the broad masses, you must tell them the crudest and most stupid things."

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future!"
Adolph Hitler
Chancellor, Germany, 1933

---------------------------------------------------------------

"Never do your foe a minor injury." -- Machiavelli

-----------------------------------------------------------------

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
American Statesman

Yes, I seen the show on Discovery about can we cure evil too. [smile] No, we cannot[...] Just treat your neighbor as you yourself would like to be treated, this is a human thing as well...

Uh, talking in circles there, bud. You gave an example of a way to "cure" some evil...by acting nice to others.

Thank you for helping me make my point, even if you meant not to :D

You're welcome. [smile] What makes you think it was unintended. I just took it a step or two more down the road...

Animals called men kill other animals called men.

The weapon of choice is up to them..........those who defy the law and choose to live outside of it's boundaries.

If we cannot defend ourselves against them hence, we know what the weapon shall be..



For they alone shall bear it.

---

"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Intelligent Design, I understand the concept of the right to carry arms, but all your quotes are historical and I don't believe most of the people who made them could have foreseen the age we now live in.

Of course there is an old quote that you could have possibly used

Thou shalt not kill.

I am not at all religious yet that seems above all the most important commandment.

We do not have the right to take a life.

---