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Message 1362112 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 11:22:08 UTC

I have had XP for a very long time now as I am still using the computer I bought in 2004. I guess soon that I will be moving up to a newer laptop which will most likely have 7 or 8 loaded. I'm not looking forward to the change.
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Message 1365079 - Posted: 6 May 2013, 9:54:02 UTC

It had to happen I suppose.

Working Gun made with 3D Printer

& they intend to publish the design online.......

....oh well, the Taliban will soon be partying & singing "O Happy Day"
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Message 1365083 - Posted: 6 May 2013, 10:12:44 UTC

Mr Wilson, who describes himself as a crypto-anarchist, said his plans to make the design available were "about liberty". He told the BBC: "There is a demand of guns - there just is. There are states all over the world that say you can't own firearms - and that's not true anymore.

"I'm seeing a world where technology says you can pretty much be able to have whatever you want. It's not up to the political players any more." Asked if he felt any sense of responsibility about whose hands the gun might fall into, he told the BBC: "I recognise the tool might be used to harm other people - that's what the tool is - it's a gun. "But I don't think that's a reason to not do it - or a reason not to put it out there."

I don't know about anyone else but that man is dangerous and should be locked up.



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Message 1365092 - Posted: 6 May 2013, 11:21:15 UTC - in response to Message 1365083.
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I don't know about anyone else but that man is dangerous and should be locked up.


Well he has made his discovery public and registered as an arms manufacturer. So the authorities know who he is.

To make the gun, Mr Wilson received a manufacturing and seller's licence from the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

Donna Sellers, from the ATF, told BBC News that the 3D-printed gun, as long as it was not a National Firearms Act weapon (an automatic gun, for example), was legal in the US.

She said: "[In the US] a person can manufacture a firearm for their own use. However, if they engage in the business of manufacture to sell a gun, they need a licence."


Surley we should be more worried about someone who makes a similar discover but keeps quite and sells hundreds of these "home made guns" to criminals. Because if he has done it others will.
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Message 1365094 - Posted: 6 May 2013, 11:27:01 UTC

I don't know about anyone else but that man is dangerous and should be locked up.


People Who Think the way The Above Quote expresses are The Ones Who Should Be Locked Up.

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Message 1365099 - Posted: 6 May 2013, 11:33:43 UTC

You are entitled to your opinion Dull.

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Message 1366733 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 12:23:20 UTC

Here's a good one to either laugh at or cry over.....

...so, do I persevere or walk away?

Several years ago, received a call from a Home customer from her workplace. They had problems with printers/internet connections & problems with 2 desktops.

Printer problems were a mess as the Boss kept adding new printers & taking the previous ones home -eventually sorted it out. Internet was a pigs dinner as most of the desktops were using wireless adapters (they had onboard NIC's).

The building was wired up with dado rails with 16 dual jack sockets for phone & data but no switch cabinets or switches (2 floor building with all offices in use). Spent all day there noting everything, providing a network diagram & a list of what will be required. Got asked for a quote - gave one - 3 days & £2,600.

Several months after that, received a call from the Boss & on arriving, found that the job had been done for £5,000 - still using wireless adapters on several desktops & on checking the whole building, found 5 jacks not active.

Since that time, been constantly telling him to get them wired up as there are needed - been ignored. Not a problem for me as they continue to experience the same issues & as far as I'm concerned is a cashcow for me.

Now the crap has hit the fan! Monday evening, the building was firebombed with the accounts office & everything in it destroyed. Was there yesterday for the same issues as before & also to assist the boss in providing info to the Insurance Assessor.

Several employees were moaning about internet access (their office jacks are not live)& problems with their printers so was asked for a quote (he already has it).

Stay with it or walk away? What would you do?
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Message 1366761 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 15:07:35 UTC - in response to Message 1366733.

Double the quote as now you will need permits and likely will be a sub to whoever is doing the fire restoration work.

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Message 1366763 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 15:16:25 UTC - in response to Message 1366761.
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Sorry Gary, should've stated - the fire damaged office has already been dealt with & authorised by the Insurance Company. That's not my job.

This July, its been 3 years since I told him what's required & how to go about it. The problem is that instead of getting us to do it, he went with a "so-called" professional who's ripped him off for £5k & at the same time, didn't do his job properly.

The main issue here is that both cabinets with the switches ARE NOT labelled so you can imagine the issue regarding the jack sockets!

What I am finding it hard to understand is that the guy is a multi-millionaire who is forking out cash on un-necessary items yet fails to secure his business properly.

At the moment, I'm thinking of walking away, however that will impact my business! I have had numerous referrals from them which have turned out to be decent contracts. Without seeming racist, they are all of the same persuasion if you catch my drift.

A veritable catch 22 for me!
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Message 1366775 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 15:45:23 UTC

It seems you are haveing a moral dilema. However as long as you keep telling him what he needs, And he disregards it. Then you should not feel guilty for taking his money. He must like your work if he is giving refferals. So stay the course.

How did the home owners with the wonky electric power make out?
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Message 1366778 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 15:55:06 UTC - in response to Message 1366775.

I was working on her sister's system on Wednesday when she popped in, so I asked her.

She hasn't contacted the electrician I recommended, so there's not much more I can do. However, I will continue to remind her for the simple fact is that the extended family totals 63 so far & all of them are my customers.

As for staying the course, I understand what you're saying James, but having those switches labelled up will enable us to determine which jacks are not active so we can track down as to why not. My suspicion is that they haven't been punched down properly, but there is no way of knowing until we're allowed to label them up.

It would also make the constant printer issues easier to handle for all the lawyers working there...should one go down, just pick another as I would network them all as they are network printers which currently, are all connected via USB.
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Message 1366870 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 20:22:25 UTC

Well, just tell him they have to be labeled, bring a ptouch or dymo and put the buzzer on them, trace the wires and bill him hourly.

Don't know about there, but here codes essentially require labels (in commercial work). So no dang fool idiot mixes up a data line with a power line, not that anyone with a measurable IQ would but ...


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Message 1366871 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 20:31:21 UTC

I am aware of the general geographical area that Sirius resides and works in. I am also aware of the "background" of most of his clientele. It is necessarily a delicate balance at the best of times to manage. Rather him than me I have to say.

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Message 1366877 - Posted: 11 May 2013, 21:10:22 UTC - in response to Message 1366870.
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Well, just tell him they have to be labeled, bring a ptouch or dymo and put the buzzer on them, trace the wires and bill him hourly.

Don't know about there, but here codes essentially require labels (in commercial work). So no dang fool idiot mixes up a data line with a power line, not that anyone with a measurable IQ would but ...



Sorry Gary, my apologies. There is no issue with the phone jacks or their switches. The problem is the data jacks. There are 2x24 port gigabit switches, 1 on ground floor & 1 on 1st floor.

As it currently stands no one can determine which cable from the cable loom is connected to which jack - also, which cable from loom to switch.

As BT connected the phone switches & connected the jacks which they decently labelled, I'm surprised that the professional that wired up the data jacks didn't do the same.

As it's going to be several weeks until the accounts office is renovated to its former state, the business is strapped for RJ45 connections (boss has moaned numerous times that his wireless connection on his laptop is dead slow) & has 6 computers accessing via wireless, not to mention all the staff's Iphones, Ipads & other tablets.

As James has said, a moral dilemma! I want to walk away, but the "jungle telegrah" is faster than the fastest internet connection & I'll lose a lot of business if I do.

Screwed if I do, screwed if I don't :)

Edit: I agree with you on labelling - I already own a Brother ptouch 1080 & purchased it for this type of work. In fact, already used on several other business clients & they've appreciated it. It really is nice & tidy.

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Edit 2: Chris hit the nail squarely on the head, & putting it mildly!
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Message 1366945 - Posted: 12 May 2013, 0:08:18 UTC - in response to Message 1366941.

True, but its damned frustrating knowing that every time I go to deal with the same issues time & time again, it can be resolved PDQ.

I am hoping that the conversation on Friday will go some ways to rectify that.

They are aware that I've gone back to being an Agency driver & with the Germany trip coming up soon, I'm hoping that they need my services pdq - boy am I going to be chuckling so hard I'm hoping the German Police don't think I'm off my rocker!
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Message 1366961 - Posted: 12 May 2013, 0:44:59 UTC - in response to Message 1366877.

Sirius, I didn't specify what jack because all are supposed to be labeled. I don't presume that the telco and wan are even in the same conduit although they may be. But you can't pull a power wire through a data conduit which is why code here requires labels. Perhaps the telco label meet that code requirement if the cables are in the same conduit.

You would use http://www.professionalequipment.com/wire-tracer/ to tell you which is which. Energize the office end and find it in the switch room. Print two labels and every visit you will thank yourself. Obviously this goes faster if you have two guys and waklie-talkie's

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Message 1366967 - Posted: 12 May 2013, 1:03:02 UTC - in response to Message 1366961.

Sirius, I didn't specify what jack because all are supposed to be labeled. I don't presume that the telco and wan are even in the same conduit although they may be. But you can't pull a power wire through a data conduit which is why code here requires labels. Perhaps the telco label meet that code requirement if the cables are in the same conduit.

You would use http://www.professionalequipment.com/wire-tracer/ to tell you which is which. Energize the office end and find it in the switch room. Print two labels and every visit you will thank yourself. Obviously this goes faster if you have two guys and waklie-talkie's


Sorry again Gary. The jacks are similar to RJ11 & RJ45 Wall Plate

The RJ11 sockets are labelled throughout the building, but the RJ45's are not.

Thanks for the link, however, no need to purchase one, will use brother's. No need for walkie talkies either, mobiles will do using Skype.

Like Chris, you've hit the nail on the head! It will take 2 men unfortunately, it is expected of me to do the job alone.
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Message 1366980 - Posted: 12 May 2013, 3:44:45 UTC - in response to Message 1366967.
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No need for walkie talkies either, mobiles will do using Skype.

Until you pull the the connection to the outside world and your wi-fi drops.

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As to the plate with the jacks, doesn't matter if they are RJ-11, RJ-45 or some coax, single, double, triple or more, every single one needs to have a label. You are likely to find some that don't have a cable pulled, and some where there is a short or a break.

Worked in a place with two 24 port switches and a 20 line digital PBX that wasn't properly labeled when we moved in. Couple guys and a weekend put labels on everything. Most of the offices has two data lines and a phone line but there were a couple of bigger ones with 4 data and 2 phone. Of course we had a single workstation with 5 network computers (3 Mac, 2 PC) and two local network color laser printers. Of course the whole shebang had to talk to the remote office via the public internet as well.

Oh, you may find you will either need local switches to get all the printers and computers in an office on the cable, or have to pull a bunch more and change the plate to a six banger. Also don't be surprosed if the cable in the wall isn't Cat 5e or 6 but Cat 3 telco only.
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Message 1367090 - Posted: 12 May 2013, 12:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1366980.

No offence Gary, but find your post confusing.

Pulled connection? Our mobiles won't be connected to the network, they have their own net connection.

Jacks are all connected & yes, they do need labelling. So, yes, it could be that they may be shorted out/broken or just not punched down sufficiently.

Local switches for printers? maybe on a medium sized or larger business, but not in this case. 8 employees & boss with 5 desktops, 6 laptops, 9 printers, 1 NAS spread between 5 rooms on 2 floors.

So, taking into account the uplink to 2nd switch & router, with leaving 1 port free for a 3rd switch should it be needed, that's 24 ports in total leaving 24 free.
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