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Message 1274148 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 22:52:50 UTC

Hello all,

I was wondering if anybody has been to the Hat Creek Arrays. Do they give tours there?
Just wondering because Labor day were traveling through that area, and I would love to take a tour. That is if I don't completely bore my family with my ole' Geezer Geekness.

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Message 1274151 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 23:08:21 UTC - in response to Message 1274148.

Well, I did a search and apparently found the official Hat Creek page...but it sure doesn't contain a whole lot of information; let alone updated information. "The observatory is currently closed for tours. For more information..."

There is contact info available there, though. I'd suggest calling those numbers and talking with someone directly. You never know... :D

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Message 1274152 - Posted: 22 Aug 2012, 23:09:31 UTC - in response to Message 1274151.

Well, I did a search and apparently found the official Hat Creek page...but it sure doesn't contain a whole lot of information; let alone updated information. "The observatory is currently closed for tours. For more information..."

There is contact info available there, though. I'd suggest calling those numbers and talking with someone directly. You never know... :D


Good idea. it looks like its a little off the beaten track.
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Message 1274210 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 4:15:21 UTC

I drove by the entrance in May of this year. It had a sign that listed hours open for visitation but was closed inexplicably during that time. It is on the Doty Road Loop roughly midway between Mt. Shasta (city) and Susanville Ca.
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Message 1274216 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 4:48:47 UTC
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Are you talking of the Allen Telescope Array? On Wikipedia I found that starting from April 2012 its management was taken by SRI, which could be Stanford Research International AFAIK.
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Message 1274392 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 14:03:55 UTC - in response to Message 1274210.

Yeah that is a bit out of my way. Maybe I'll plan a weekend camping trip to Lassen Park, and then plan on spending hopefully Half a day day there if its open.
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Message 1274393 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 14:04:56 UTC - in response to Message 1274216.

Are you talking of the Allen Telescope Array? On Wikipedia I found that starting from April 2012 its management was taken by SRI, which could be Stanford Research International AFAIK.
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Yes thats the one. So what does that mean for Seti?
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Message 1274407 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 14:27:02 UTC - in response to Message 1274393.

Are you talking of the Allen Telescope Array? On Wikipedia I found that starting from April 2012 its management was taken by SRI, which could be Stanford Research International AFAIK.
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Yes thats the one. So what does that mean for Seti?


The Allen Telescope Array (ATA) is used by the SETI Institute but not by SETI@Home. Last I heard, due to funding problems, the ATA was going through periods of shutdown similar to the Aricebo Satellite Dish (which SETI@Home uses).

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Message 1274488 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 17:58:58 UTC

I called the Allen Array site at Hat Creek, Ca today. They don't have a guided tour which I expected would be the case. They will let you walk around the site. You can go inside and look into a couple of area's where the equipment is ,but thats about it. Mon-Fri 8am-5pm. No weekends.
I would still like to go anyway some day.
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Message 1274504 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 18:30:11 UTC

All I know about ATA derives from www.setiquest.org,which is maintained by the SETI Institute.They had a shutdown period but I believe it is operating now.
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Message 1274533 - Posted: 23 Aug 2012, 19:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1274504.

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Message 1275609 - Posted: 26 Aug 2012, 3:43:21 UTC - in response to Message 1274533.

Unlike aricibo this array can be aimed better at smaller portions of sky.

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Message 1275679 - Posted: 26 Aug 2012, 8:53:01 UTC - in response to Message 1275609.

As I said on another thread. We need one good SETI effort on this planet. Not two at one University.

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Message 1275766 - Posted: 26 Aug 2012, 14:15:09 UTC - in response to Message 1275679.
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As I said on another thread. We need one good SETI effort on this planet. Not two at one University.

Daddio,
I use to think that way too. I used to wonder why the SETI institute and SETI@home would not team up together and pool their resources to one single really good search effort?

But the more i learned over the years, now i understand why they don't team up. The truth is, its better to have separate groups trying different methods. If you think about the suggestions people post in messages here in this science forum, there are tonnes of very different ways to search for ET. So its good that different scientists try to search in different ways. And it also creates a kind of competitive spirit among the researchers. In a way, i pushes them to try to "win" by being the first to detect ET. Each team wants to be the first to detect ET, and that drives them to work harder!

There are Pro's and Con's to both. The team with the most money and funding is not necessarily the best search method, or the right search method. The team with the billion dollar space telescope might be searching in the wrong place. But the clever amateur with a 1000 dollar radio receiver in his back garden might be using a better search method and get their first.

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Message 1275796 - Posted: 26 Aug 2012, 15:38:32 UTC
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William, I would agree with you, but there's a problem. There are several different theories about how we are to detect an alien sourced transmission. Until such time as we actually, provably and undeniably detect such a signal we don't know which of the theories is less wrong than the others. If we pile all our efforts into one we are more likely to "prove" that the law postulated by Dr.Murphy (late) of Dublin is far less wrong the we previously understood it to be. (And his law is one of the Laws of the Universe that is almost beyond doubt)
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Message 1278299 - Posted: 31 Aug 2012, 16:34:09 UTC
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As I am curious about what they are doing at SETI Institute, I once downloaded the OpenSonATA source code they provide and tried to compile it on my SuSE Linux 11.1. I did not succeed, since you needed 11.3. Now I have SuSE Linux 12.1 and I've read in some of their blogs that they will port OpenSonATA to the latest OpenSuSE version (but 12.2 should come in a few days, this is the Linux curse). But my question is:how many SETI volunteers use Linux, and especially SuSE Linux? And how many of them are able to compile a program? It seems to me very few. It would be easier for them to follow the Test4Theory@home route, where all you have to do is to install VirtualBox on your OS (Windows, Mac OSX, Linux) and then the CERN programs, compiled in Scientific Linux, run in the BOINC_VM window, a BOINC program provided by CERN and you don't need to compile anything.
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Message 1279009 - Posted: 1 Sep 2012, 20:23:40 UTC - in response to Message 1278299.
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I agree.

For certain personal reasons, I do not run SUSE.

In any case, an application should never be limited to just one Linux distribution. The whole idea of *nix/Linux is that ALL applications should be easily and fully portable across ALL systems and hardware... For all the applications I run, I just naturally expect that the applications run fine regardless of what Linux distro I'm using. Normally, there is no problem.

And compiling is easy enough but not something that most users will know about nor indeed most users need to know about...

So... Is that a very ad-hoc 'alpha' development?


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Message 1279106 - Posted: 2 Sep 2012, 4:30:07 UTC - in response to Message 1279009.
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I have problems understanding the programs of the SETI Institute. They started SETIquest using OpenSonATA, then a SETIExplorer, then SETILive. I visit www.setiquest.org but,since I am not a registered user, I cannot ask any questions It seems to me that they tend to demand more from their volunteers than SETI@home and all the other BOINC projects.No, they are not speaking of Alpha projects like Test4Theory@home has done and Albert@home is doing now at Einstein@home.
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