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As a prime Minister, well for sure things would be quite different with him I think statesmanship is old hat, Chris; does it really amount to much these days. We wont leaders who can achieve, something of a rarity in British government since the days of Maggie. Countries that achieve get more respect and admiration than those countries who's leaders are good with the old rhetoric....Blare comes to mind here with the latter. The word stage, isn't that the place where actors perform, notably political ones. But no-one sensibly views him with enough Statesmanship to actually lead our country upon the world stage. Here Chris I feel your making a fundamental error in judgement. Churchill was nothing of a statesman until he took over the roll as wartime Prime minister. At the present time the UK electorate are not looking for a statesman there looking for an achiever someone who can lead. Might explain his wide popularity with many of the electorate at the moment so one needs to get in tune with the voters for they will decide events in the end. Whether Boris considers himself P.M material or not I have no idea but if he does then I feel the doors open to him...especially if he's got the electorate rooting for him. There could be a change on the way so rather than look for the faults in the man look for those attributes that may propel him up into high office else you might get caught on the wrong side of the fence....but in politics then isn't that always the case. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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You do seem to have a rather parochial view of politics Nick. The job of a Prime Minister is mainly twofold. | |
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So what's the job of the Deputy Prime Minister? A mouse who continuously backs down & causes controversy? | |
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Not all past Governments have had Deputy Prime Ministers. The DPM is the de facto leader of the Government and the country if the PM is abroad or incapacitated, to ensure that day to day business carries on. In the case of the current Coalition, Cameron as leader of the biggest party the Conservatives, became the PM, and Clegg the leader of the smaller one the Lib Dems, became the DPM. The Deputy Prime Minister (DPM) is the deputy head of Government and has special responsibility for political and constitutional reform. He is also Lord President of the Privy Council, and Deputy Chair of the National Security Council which oversees all aspects of the nation’s security. DPM Responsibilities Every political party has it's own group of hard liners who disagree with party policy, and seek to change it by mounting various leadership challenges from time to time. At present the Tory and Lib Dem groups are quite active, the Labour group has quietened down a bit since Milliband became more effective at the dispatch box. This summer is the governments mid term, and that is always a time when traditionally people take stock of not only the governments performance to date, but also the standings of the various parties. It is a time when people look to the next General Election now only 2 1/2 years away on 7th May 2015, and the last one before the fixed term act comes in Fixed Term Act Judgements are made on the suitability of leaders to take their party forward to the election, and to make any changes in good time to be ready for it. Its a time of clandestine meetings and stalking horses, although we might not see a "night of the knives" again. Of course in the meantime we have the County Council elections in 2013, and the London Boroughs in 2014, which could give indications upon which direction the electorate is swinging, although usually people tend to vote differently in local and national elections. However unusually large local swings would set alarm bells ringing. I'll decline the option of letting my name go forward as Bank Governor, finance certainly isn't my strong point, or my particular interest. Seems a rather hassled job just to enjoy the privilege of having your signature on bank notes. | |
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Good post, however... Not all past Governments have had Deputy Prime Ministers. The DPM is the de facto leader of the Government and the country if the PM is abroad or incapacitated, to ensure that day to day business carries on. In the case of the current Coalition, Cameron as leader of the biggest party the Conservatives, became the PM, and Clegg the leader of the smaller one the Lib Dems, became the DPM. 2012 was a blip on the radar then ____________ | |
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You do seem to have a rather parochial view of politics Nick. Chris, I do believe your out of tune with current political speak...The term "parochial" has now been replaced by "bigoted"...so it seems. Oh and one last thing. Just supposing that during the Olympics, a 747 had been hijacked and was tracked on course for the stadium. The PM would have had the ultimate decision upon giving the order to fire to bring it down, juggling the options to minimise the loss of life likely to result. I think Cameron would have been man enough, I'm not sure about the others. Can't really use the above as a means of judging a man's abilities, under pressure, as this event is a purely hypothetical one. It is fine having an amiable buffoon as a City Mayor, but he is simply not seen as having the gravitas required for higher office, whatever the tabloid press might think. You have to realise that some sections of the media want to bring down the PM and the government for their own purposes. Look at who owns them and ask yourself why. Buffoon as you say, he could well be but this is a term generated by the media who as you say wont to bring down various public figures for their own purposes. Telling me about how the media works these days is nothing I don't already know. AS we know, all political parties are apt at using the media for their own ends, so live by the sword die by the sword. "Cometh the hour, cometh the man"... ...and you never know who this man is until that hour comes.....could even be you Chris....something for you to think about. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Just a quick reminder, looks like the "Thames Airport" is still on the cards | |
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Nice. I like the way they've designed in the capacity for 6 runways. | |
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"Cometh the hour, cometh the man" Well Nick, thank you for your very kind endorsement, I am quite flattered. If I was 10 or 15 years younger, maybe I could be persuaded to stand for public office, but I'm afraid that circumstances preclude that. However, the one thing that longevity endows you with, is a knowledge about how the system works. In my patch we have a number of young people with fire in their belly, wanting to change the world. They have the enthusiasm and the courage to do that, but they need to be mentored and guided by wiser elders that can steer them around the pitfalls, and teach them how to use the existing system to their best advantage. It never fails to amaze me how many of the general public tabloid readers, have so little knowledge of how local and national government actually works. Perhaps if they did, we would all be demonstrably better off. | |
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It never fails to amaze me how many of the general public tabloid readers, have so little knowledge of how local and national government actually works. Perhaps if they did, we would all be demonstrably better off. I don't disagree with you here, Chris; but knowing how it works is one thing but getting sound results from it is another. What would you do to it to smarten it up and make it fit and sound to head a 21st century progressive Britain. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Gosh, you don't ask easy questions do you! | |
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Now that is your best post ever! One extra ruling to be added: - | |
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Thank you, that is a welcome opinion. And I agree with your second point. Rules are in place for constituency parties to de-select their MP if it should prove necessary, but they could be made stricter. | |
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Nice one BaE | |
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We got it right with the Harrier, and we've done it again. | |
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We got it right with the Harrier, and we've done it again. Yep! & let's hope they get it right with out new carriers. ____________ | |
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OOPS....... | |
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Just a few things that quickly caught my eye from those three links. First-class rail travel, supposed to be exceptional, is again becoming the norm. Fifty MPs have even been allowed to claim for expensive iPads. Why? If an MP undertakes a 3 or 4 hour rail journey then he/she is likely to do some parliamentary or constituency work during that time. This could include reading or writing letters regarding constituents private and personal details. Or considering reports upon various Government policies which are not yet in the public domain. In those circumstances you don't want people looking over their shoulders, nor do you want kids running up and down the aisles disturbing concentration. I agree with first class travel for MP's as you will invariably get the environment that is sensibly needed. But it should be restricted to cases where the journey is say over 3 hours, and work is likely to be done. Secondly, in the 21st Century devices like iPads are fast becoming the norm for advanced communications. It is maybe not generally known that every MP gets many messages each day from their Whips Office, informing them of the latest party policy, emergency debates, or forthcoming lobby voting. The leaders of our country need to be in the forefront of technology, and show the way forward. In the case of Hillsborough, I like everyone else am saddened by this damning report, which shames many people. By and large the UK police forces do a remarkable job, under at times intense pressure. But we cannot excuse what happened in the aftermath of that tragic football match. If people are found to be criminally liable then quite rightly they should be prosecuted. Let us hope that an ensuing witch hunt doesn't smear everyone regardless. The proposed Constituency boundary changes may or may not go through, in this 5 year session or even the next one. Clegg may well instruct his MP's to vote against it because of the Lords reform defeat, but that doesn't mean that all will toe the party line. But the changes will go through one day that I am sure of. So much work has so far been done on this that it makes sense to finish it off, even if it is all put on the back burner. | |
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What would you propose? I'll be in a position to answer this late next week when I'm off work for a few days. That will do for starters. Don't blame me, it was you that asked! I expect you'll disagree with 99% of it, but to return the riposte ... We'll just have to wait and see.... ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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It's not important anyway she is small fry. Oops, it's come back to haunt you. Will Miss Greening turn off the tap? "Justine Greening, the new International Development Secretary, is said to be deeply unimpressed by her department’s disgraceful antics and has ordered an urgent audit. We also know that Miss Greening, an accountant by trade, is sceptical about David Cameron’s politically-correct commitment to increase the aid budget by a further £3billion a year". "DfID has proved time and again that it cannot stop itself hosing taxpayer’s money down the drain. Turning off the tap is the only answer". Ooohh, yes please Justine "And, incredibly, the £400,000 lavished on furniture for a new DfID headquarters in India – even though ministers say they will shortly stop paying aid to a country which has its own space programme!" don't forget their Nukes as well So, if she is your idea of small fry, then let's get all those muppets out of power & replace with countless small fries like her - who knows, Britain might regain its greatness sooner than anyone can expect! P .W D L 27 4 4 19 ____________ | |
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