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Message 1281928 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:43:42 UTC

A view of Heathrow in 1949, actually not called that then it was London Airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-svhmFd214

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Message 1281933 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:57:56 UTC - in response to Message 1281922.



Little boy says to himself, "What did he just say, we're going to crush you all
into the suburban areas of Enfield just to keep you out and away from the country
side".

Cleggy, "Yar, one definite cross-party agreement we all follow...by packing them into the towns and cities we keep the urberts out of "our" country side".



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Message 1281935 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 16:05:27 UTC - in response to Message 1281928.

A view of Heathrow in 1949, actually not called that then it was London Airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-svhmFd214


Nice link - Thanks.
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Message 1281952 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 16:31:50 UTC
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=GLNbYqraTgE&NR=1
If you now watch this next video regarding Heathrow then you will understand why
I say a fourth runway will be required....three runways do not solve the problems
long term.

I know what the problem here is with Airport expansion. If we build a new
International Airport and build it in the right place either Stansted,
Gatwick or both together may become redundant. Along with redundancy comes
the loss of most associated commerce around these airport areas.

I refer you to my picture caption several post back.
Little boy, "Hey David, according to Nick your building these houses in the
wrong place Stansted may close down one day".

Cleggy...Think I'll start a new political campaign, "Save Stansted, build the
new international airport on the Isle of White".
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Message 1281979 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 17:34:53 UTC
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Bernie, Farnborough Airport is only about a quarter of a mile further away from the centre of London than Heathrow is.


I was talking about road not as the crow flies.

According to Google maps

Hyde Park To Heathrow Airport 15.4 Miles

Hyde Park to Farnborough 38.3 Miles

A is Hyde Park B Is Farnborough C Is Heathrow


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Message 1282029 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 20:50:39 UTC
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Oh well, that settles it....Weybridge & Chertsey for the chop. An ideal place
for the new airport, skirted by both the M25 and M3 and a big enough area
to put two Heathrow's in. Once built then Heathrow can be closed down since
carriers prefer to land at an Airport where they can also grab continental
flight passengers wishing to go from the UK on to Europe once landed....
...hence why most big carriers choose not to use either Stansted or Gatwick.

Heathrow is boxed in and to expand to meet expected demand means they will have to
take over the towns of, Harmondsworth, Sipson, Harlington and Cranford. This way
you could then fit in your third and fourth runways plus an extra terminal or
two but this would involve the re-siting of all those hotels along the A4 Bath
road. But this move would mean that Heathrow would be skirted up-aside the
M4 along one side, with the M25 remaining along the other.
The M4 will need to have a junction re-constructed as Heathrow will have two
prominent sides to it, North and South. M4 junction 3 will need a new feed off
going through Avenue Park so feeding the South side of Heathrow, the North side
will still use the existing Junction 4. The M4, at it's minimum, will require a
fourth traffic lane either side running from where it joins the M25 and along
the M4 to at least it's junction 3. To alleviate expected pressure on the M25,
as it tries to service Heathrow, requires a link road from the M3 into Heathrow.
This link could start at where the M3 crosses over Stains Road (A244) Sunbury
along the back end of Bedfont and then along the A30 and into Heathrow.
This link road will then split the traffic coming from the West of England
along two optional routes rather than over-congesting just the one, the M4.

The above is what will be required if they truly wont a world beating
International Airport based at Heathrow. I can lay-out the basic plans for the
future re-development of Heathrow, why can't the Politicians do the same.
They can't for it might cost them their seats at the next general election hence
why I have no time for the three main UK political parties for they are all a
millstone around the necks of the general UK populous....and have been virtually
since post WW2.

What's Camerons take on this Heathrow issue, "I think I'll postspone any decision
till after the next general election then we will make it a cross-party issue.
This way if we make the wrong decision, which we normally do, the us Con's
will only get a third of the blame for failure here".
This Prime Minister clearly lacks any backbone, he has no metal, he does not
drive events he is driven by them so constantly end's up going down blind
alleys. He will most probably not be leading the Con's into the next general
election...I feel his time is ending.
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Message 1282041 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 21:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1282029.

An excellent post me old china! Shame that the muppets in Westminister will never agree to that, which just highlights what they think of us......


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Message 1282049 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:03:21 UTC - in response to Message 1282029.

Never going to happen at Chertsey, just over the M3 is Virginia Water, lot of 0.1%ers in that area.

Wentworth and Sunningdale golf clubs are there.

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Message 1282050 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:08:34 UTC - in response to Message 1282049.

Yep, which is one of the main reasons why they're going for a kludge of a job after the next election....

Heathrow & there's damn all us minions can do about it!
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Message 1282058 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:24:14 UTC
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I'm not too sure if the muppets of Westminister are capable of making a decision
on this scale. It would pain me to see those outer skirting towns around
Heathrow disappear under concrete runways and the likes, for common sense does
dictate that expanding Heathrow make more economical sense than actually
building a completely new airport. Because of the clash of carrier business
interests we can't have two international airports within close proximity to
the city of London, hence why both Stansted and Gatwick fail to grab the
big international airlines. These carriers need one airport that does all
for it fits in to their business plans. Heathrow does, Stansted and Gatwick do not
and a new international airport, where ever it be built, will not fit in either
unless of course, in the process, you close Heathrow down. It's no good telling
Air France that it can only land at Gatwick if at Gatwick no continental flights
from say the USA land their. For Air France will be wonting to pick-up
passengers from the USA flights if their intended final destination is Paris.
This is the gripe these major airline companies are having regarding using an
airport other than Heathrow....and you can't fault them for this either. This is
a point that our muppets don't seem to understand. The muppets have tried the
old chestnut game of calling these airports London this and London that and
London the other...our muppets play games because that's all their fit for.

Well Sirius, it's decision time, do we go for a completely new airport and
when finally built Heathrow closes down or do we expand Heathrow.
I say, unfortunately, we expand Heathrow and in the process we do it properly.
If you agree then call up Murphy's cos' we wont the job to be done well.

If you plumb for a completely new airport then subsequently Heathrow will have
to close. On the infrastructure side of things Heathrow can be easily serviced
by three major motorways, where else around London could we achieve this if
we were looking for a new site to build an airport upon?
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Message 1282062 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:34:37 UTC - in response to Message 1282058.

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Well Sirius, it's decision time, do we go for a completely new airport and
when finally built Heathrow closes down or do we expand Heathrow.
I say, unfortunately, we expand Heathrow and in the process we do it properly.
If you agree then call up Murphy's cos' we wont the job to be done well.


Another good post.

We know it's going to be heathrow & rather than piss about with all the whinging, why not go for the 3rd & 4th runways at once rather than having this debate in 20 years time on arguing the for/against the 4th runway.

Oh, & get Murphy's in to do the job right 1st time!
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Message 1282066 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:51:48 UTC

We know it's going to be heathrow & rather than piss about with all the whinging, why not go for the 3rd & 4th runways at once rather than having this debate in 20 years time on arguing the for/against the 4th runway.

Oh, & get Murphy's in to do the job right 1st time!

I'm with you all the way, Sirius, and how long did it takes us to conclude on
what was best in the long run.....only one day. Had the muppets made this
decision when it was needed many years ago then the pain of it would have been
over by now. But no, the muppets have still got this pain to come.

We're doing well, Sirius; so far to date we have extradited ourselves out
of the ECM, saving £50 million a day and reinvested this money into the
redevelopment of Heathrow....what's next on the agenda?

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Message 1282069 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 23:07:32 UTC - in response to Message 1282066.

Putting the GREAT back in Britain for starters....

....we'll come up with the rest after that's done.....

..what do you reckon on that then?
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Message 1282076 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 23:38:44 UTC - in response to Message 1282069.
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Putting the GREAT back in Britain for starters....

....we'll come up with the rest after that's done.....

..what do you reckon on that then?


GREAT!!

I'm looking at how we can get a high speed train line from one of our
main London train stations straight into Heathrow, Heathrow Express is too
slow. The GWR Paddington line is the best option but it will have to run
under ground into Heathrow starting somewhere just beyond Southall station.
The draft will be to be able to get from Paddington station to Heathrow North
side in seven minutes and to South side within 11 minutes. The Heathrow Express
only manages to hit the top end of Heathrow in 15 minutes...we can do much better
than this. The Heathrow Express can get to 100mph in six minutes, a car can do
this within 12 seconds so there's clearly room for performance improvements
with our trains here.
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Message 1282217 - Posted: 10 Sep 2012, 12:32:58 UTC - in response to Message 1282076.

That's an easy one to answer. However, the muppets are too full of themselves to see the solution.....

..we spent 6 years & 4 years respectively bombing the crap out of them, win the war then give them the Marshall Plan which effectively assisted their rebuilding into what they are today.....

....So lets have the Germans build our trains.....(oh wait, they are) & the Japanese run them.

Ergo, one first class rail system run superbly.

Oh crap, I just woke up!
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Message 1282261 - Posted: 10 Sep 2012, 15:56:36 UTC
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Due the British Olympics success I do wonder then if Boris could, as leader of
the UK?, galvanise Britain better. With regards to rail, If Boris thought that
Rail Track were a bunch of plonkers he'd say this publicly...we could do with
a dose of this type government openness....Boris for Prime Minister then.
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Message 1282268 - Posted: 10 Sep 2012, 16:07:22 UTC - in response to Message 1282261.
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Possibly. I wouldn't want to be the minister or civil servant that crosses him. The media make him out to be a buffoon not realising that he's got a very shrewd mind.

He couldn't do any worse than the muppets we do have!

Edit: I'd vote for him - but on one condition only!

GET rid of those bendy buses!
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Message 1282289 - Posted: 10 Sep 2012, 16:54:01 UTC

Bendy-busses have virtually disappeared now, never was a good concept for a
type of transport to run on our London roads. One of Ken Livingstone's good
ideas at the time. To my mind Ken was someone who should never have been allowed
to be put in a position of authority, Yet, now that he operates on the outside
fringes of politics his mindset has changed and he seems now to have his feet on
the ground and talks a lot of sense for a change

Yes, Boris; I was at a birthday bash during the time Boris first stood in the
GLC elections. It was my friends birthday and his girlfriends boss was their,
it was a charity she worked for and her boss was a Countess with a foreign name.
The countess's husband was also present and I shared a table with him for the
whole evening. He was a most interesting man, the intellectual type but very
easy to converse with. He was personal friend of Boris Johnson so we naturally
discussed Boris as a potential head of the GLC. This chap said that Boris
would prove himself to be the man for the job and it appears he was right.

As a prime Minister, well for sure things would be quite different with him
around and I'd love to see him perform at some of those ECM summits.
No doubt in a heated debate with Sarkozy he would at some time have called
him "Shorty"...but "Shorty" has gone so no chance of this happening.


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Message 1282391 - Posted: 10 Sep 2012, 21:03:42 UTC
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As a prime Minister, well for sure things would be quite different with him
around and I'd love to see him perform at some of those ECM summits.
No doubt in a heated debate with Sarkozy he would at some time have called
him "Shorty"...but "Shorty" has gone so no chance of this happening.

Johnson may well be a reasonably popular, flamboyant Mayor of London, and possible future MP again. But no-one sensibly views him with enough Statesmanship to actually lead our country upon the world stage.

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Message 1282460 - Posted: 11 Sep 2012, 1:24:05 UTC - in response to Message 1282391.

Johnson may well be a reasonably popular, flamboyant Mayor of London, and possible future MP again. But no-one sensibly views him with enough Statesmanship to actually lead our country upon the world stage.


& the John Sullivan puppet is?
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