Cameron's First Term: Part 2

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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,282,560 RAC: 682	Message 1293000 - Posted: 9 Oct 2012, 0:05:40 UTC - in response to Message 1292999.
	I do hope this planned saving of £20 billion isn't so that the UK government can pass it over to Brussels to help bail out the useless Southern Europeans. That's what I fear will happen! ____________
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WinterKnight Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6807 Credit: 17,110,279 RAC: 27,372	Message 1293107 - Posted: 9 Oct 2012, 7:04:22 UTC - in response to Message 1292824.
	I agree with most of what you said, but in relation to, I am sure there are other areas savings can be made, including pensioners (coffin dodgers) who pay the 40% tax rate that can give up the privilege of free winter fuel allowance, free bus passes and free TV licenses. in a lot of cases, the costs associated with checking each person to see if they are eligible or not are greater than the savings. It also has the effect of penalising those that did the right things in perparing for their later years and rewarding those who spent every penny during their working life. I regards to pensions etc, I think they should calculate how long they expect to pay these to the average person. And them make the pensionable age = average life span - time on pensions. There are quite a lot of people now, and even more in the future, will spend more time as a pensioner than they did working. The other silly recent proposal, is the mansion tax. My maternal grandparents bought a house in 1921 for £420, one of my aunts still lives there, last year the house next door, essentially identical, sold for over £700k. It is in the SE and fairly near a train station with direct trains to Waterloo.
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,282,560 RAC: 682	Message 1293248 - Posted: 9 Oct 2012, 22:35:10 UTC
	Damn, do I not like this... :( UK being tested "It is not complicated. Hard work, strong families, taking responsibility, serving others."Yep, agree. One problem though, no jobs = no hard work About firkin time! "Those people are a real threat to our society, and we must treat them as such." Crapola - Agree again Force against burgalars allowed "I think, probably, there's an argument at the moment for making sure that that bar gets higher, and that the homeowner has better protection, and the burglar is put more on notice that they're at risk if they choose to burgle someone's home while they're in it," he added.Not again - Agree Victims to choose punishment "We need to give the police the freedom to use their judgement. So we've scrapped all police targets and given them a single objective - to cut crime." About time! "He said: "Theresa used to lock them up and Ken let them out. Now... Theresa locks them up and Chris throws away the key.""Oh My Giddy Aunt - Smashing Job! Hey Mister Cameron, keep this up & you get my vote. However, if all these just turn out to be just political soundbites, then come 2015, the BNP gets my vote! ____________
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,282,560 RAC: 682	Message 1293560 - Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 18:59:49 UTC - in response to Message 1293248.
	Looking better.....Nice one HMG! BaE & EADS merger cancelled Best news of the week! ____________
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2686 Credit: 1,507,320 RAC: 1,401	Message 1293669 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 1:13:05 UTC - in response to Message 1293560. Last modified: 11 Oct 2012, 1:17:00 UTC
	Looking better.....Nice one HMG! BaE & EADS merger cancelled Best news of the week! Just shows that the ECM does not work all that well. European politics gets in the way just at a time when you'd think Europe would be clamouring to form bigger companies capable of taking on the the big-big American ones. I bet Boeing can't believe their luck here with a possible major threat to their world market domination crumble in front of them. It's the same old European boggy-man raising it's head again, "We're worried that America may gain some influence over it". Well, the UK isn't, it's them others over there who still haven't realised that WW2 has ended and that the Yanks have gone home now, job well done. So is the ECM about forming a joint economy that can take on the world or forming a super state good at pulling faces at or poking tongues out at other super states say, "What are you going to do about that then"...well I do wonder, for when it comes down to business then the ECM is a no-hoper. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22727 Credit: 4,515,043 RAC: 5,688	Message 1293749 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 9:03:41 UTC
	The UK wanted its counterparts to agree to limit their influence in the merged firm in order to maintain BAE's strong working relations with the US Pentagon. The BBC understands that Germany was fundamentally opposed to the deal. "Once German intransigence became clear - as it did overnight - EADS and BAE had no option but to call the whole thing off,". The UK has a Special Relationsip with the USA which encompasses trade, military aid, sharing intelligence etc. Germany clearly hasn't, and didn't want to end up the weaker partner suspecting the USA of pulling strings all the time. Their loss.
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Bernie Vine Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 5675 Credit: 14,259,268 RAC: 51,447	Message 1293762 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 11:08:12 UTC
	Sirius As you might have noticed I no longer post in politics as your constant name calling and pretend swearing just proved to me you weren't worth my time. Now because of that I have had one of my important posts removed because it quoted one of yours. To say I am upset is putting it mildly. If a person cannot get their point across without "pretend swearing" or name calling then in my eyes they have lost the argument. ____________
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,282,560 RAC: 682	Message 1293782 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 13:08:56 UTC - in response to Message 1293762.
	Who asked for your time? Name calling loses the argument then? tell me, why do you vote then? ____________
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Bernie Vine Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 5675 Credit: 14,259,268 RAC: 51,447	Message 1293792 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 13:50:49 UTC - in response to Message 1293782.
	Name calling loses the argument then? Quite definitely! tell me, why do you vote then? Not sure what that has to do with anything. Just another attempt to divert the point. ____________
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,282,560 RAC: 682	Message 1293833 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 16:28:04 UTC - in response to Message 1293792.
	Name calling loses the argument then? Quite definitely! tell me, why do you vote then? Not sure what that has to do with anything. Just another attempt to divert the point. Cabinet Ministers/MP's/Snivel Serpents calling each other names as well as the electorate names? I.E., Master "Plebs" Mitchell as the more recent case! Diverting the point? So called governers doing & it's alright? A "commoner" doing & it upsets the natives! To paraphrase Hannibal Smith.... "I love it when a barb hits home"! ____________
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Bernie Vine Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 5675 Credit: 14,259,268 RAC: 51,447	Message 1293868 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 17:23:15 UTC - in response to Message 1293833.
	Name calling loses the argument then? Quite definitely! tell me, why do you vote then? Not sure what that has to do with anything. Just another attempt to divert the point. Cabinet Ministers/MP's/Snivel Serpents calling each other names as well as the electorate names? I.E., Master "Plebs" Mitchell as the more recent case! Diverting the point? So called governers doing & it's alright? A "commoner" doing & it upsets the natives! To paraphrase Hannibal Smith.... "I love it when a barb hits home"! Ahh I am actually not sure what any of the above means and truly I did feel no barb, I quite honestly have no idea what the "tell me why do you vote then" comment meant. When the "plebs" row blew up I was 100% in favour of his removal and no it is not "alright" if people at the top revert to swearing or name calling. In my view anyone who cannot hold an intelligent debate without name calling or swearing loses any arguments. Before you suggest I had a "higher education" I did not, I went to a secondary modern where swearing was the norm. I suppose I did have an excellent english teacher who taught me how to speak and express myself without needing to swear. If I can why can't others? ____________
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,282,560 RAC: 682	Message 1293876 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 17:35:13 UTC - in response to Message 1293868.
	Wow, I don't know why you brought "higher education" into it, but glad you did. The majority at the top have (I hope) a well educated background & it seems to those not so well educated, that they are taken for fools. As for your comment about your important post. Yes I genuinely apologise for that. However, without getting an unexpected vacation, I can only say, some people have issues & the moderators had no choice once those issues were raised. Some consistencey would be nice though. ____________
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