Cameron's First Term: Part 2

"Cheapen the memory"? There's not many of them left, so a memorial does them justice.

It's ok looking back in hindsight & say the bombing campaign was a disaster, I have my own views on that, but this is not the place to discuss them.

Those boys didn't shirk their duty, unlike many in todays governments, so this is a sad reflection on those governments: -

"How on earth has it come to this? How can a Government that gladly found a last-minute £41  million top-up for those Olympic opening ceremonies begrudge 2 per cent of that sum for another opening ceremony of even greater significance?

And in a week when civil servants have blown another £40  million on a completely botched tendering process for the West Coast Main Line, can we expect anyone in government to shoulder any personal liability?"

"Is he worried about losing his home? ‘I don’t worry. I did all my worrying in the war,’ says the former tail-gunner, who clocked up a near-miraculous 60 sorties unscathed. ‘I suppose they might try to repossess my house, but they’ll have a job. I’m still a bit lively you know.’"

Still has that same spirit that made him complete 2 tours of operations in the lonliest & deadliest postion in a bomber - This is what all of us should remember
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I agree with both the sentiments of Sirius and Bernie. So what is to be done? No doubt the Mail will raise some sort of National collection for this, and for once, good for them if they do. But they shouldn't have to.

My parents became friends with a couple during WWII where the husband was a tail gunner in Bomber Command. I think he died in the 1960's. I remember him as a very unassuming man and always said very little about what he did during the war, even when he was asked, which I did. This is not right at all.

When other nations can do this for the fallen, it makes my blood boil that this country cannot....

Finally laid to rest

The Dutch don't do it just for the sake of it, they do it out of respect. 67 years on, shows there's hope for us yet.

Shame the same can't be said of ourselves!
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My best maths teacher had been a tail end Charlie. He was as deaf as a post, but he could sense the start of trouble in the class, and silence it with a very well aimed bit of chalk. Chunky, rest in peace.
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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

Yes, these "old timers" really are a breed apart. They never brag of their accomplishments during the war.

Back in 2007, my wife's grandfather passed away & at the service, it came to light of his RAF service during WWII. All I can say is unbelievable but at the same time, very humbling.

Makes me wonder....would I have been able to do that duty?

To this day, I still cannot answer that question, which makes the men & women of that time, people to look up to & respect.
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I agree with both the sentiments of Sirius and Bernie. So what is to be done? No doubt the Mail will raise some sort of National collection for this, and for once, good for them if they do. But they shouldn't have to.

My parents became friends with a couple during WWII where the husband was a tail gunner in Bomber Command. I think he died in the 1960's. I remember him as a very unassuming man and always said very little about what he did during the war, even when he was asked, which I did. This is not right at all.

Watching the BBC's Question Time atm & the 1st question raised was the "West Coast Fiasco".

I think Kenneth Clarke is past his prime & time to retire.

As for Douglas Alexander, he's come up with a brilliant line for the current government: -

"This government is an ABC Government.... Anybody But Cameron"

I love it!
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Here you go Chris, time for you to bring back your sig.......

Watching TV by candlelight by 2015 (that's AD, not 8:15pm)
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Greening has undoubted abilities, but if she wants to maintain her position or rise higher, then she needs to learn some maturity.

Well done Derbyshire! The German economy is strong enough, we need to provide for our own!

Hey Sirius, we can't start favouring our own industries over and above those
from abroad.....that's just not "Cricket". We stopped putting our own interests
first after the end of WW2.

I said this was going to turn nasty..."let the show begin"

1 of the 3 scapegoats speaks out

There's a lot more to this than anyone is letting on.......

...Will we ever get to hear the full story?

Technical faults my ass..... Some empty brown envelopes were found...
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Let's wait and see what happens further before jumpimg to too many conclusions. I suspect there is lots more to come out yet. Already it is fairly unprecedented that senior Civil Servants should openly break cover and defend themselves in this way.

Tut,tut,tut, I would have thought by now that you realised I'm the "Sarcasm King of Seti"

That's her career over, so she'll be looking for massive compensation. From the report, it looks like the "mandarins" have jumped the gun & assigned blame without any thought to who actually was involved in this fiasco.

I'm hoping the other 2, if they're from the same department, do the same. what a scandal that'll be.

Shame the News of the World is no longer in print...... :)
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Good luck tomorrow Butch, however, make sure you're wearing a parachute.....

Camoron in freefall

.... & an altitude sensor, just in case.
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I think there is a case for the the £1.4bn Thameslink train contract, which was lost by Bombardier to be re-assessed. It may be that the decision was correct, but I think we need to be reassured of that.

I think there is a case for the the £1.4bn Thameslink train contract, which was lost by Bombardier to be re-assessed. It may be that the decision was correct, but I think we need to be reassured of that.