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Message 1291264 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 16:36:14 UTC

You think incompetence is bad in the UK government and civil service, just think
how bad it is in Brussels too....and you know that David.
If you wont the electorate on your side for when the next General Election comes
then It's best you weal the big stick around here and in Brussels too...NOW!!.


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Message 1291285 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:10:04 UTC - in response to Message 1291274.

"Cheapen the memory"? There's not many of them left, so a memorial does them justice.

It's ok looking back in hindsight & say the bombing campaign was a disaster, I have my own views on that, but this is not the place to discuss them.

Those boys didn't shirk their duty, unlike many in todays governments, so this is a sad reflection on those governments: -

"How on earth has it come to this? How can a Government that gladly found a last-minute £41  million top-up for those Olympic opening ceremonies begrudge 2 per cent of that sum for another opening ceremony of even greater significance?

And in a week when civil servants have blown another £40  million on a completely botched tendering process for the West Coast Main Line, can we expect anyone in government to shoulder any personal liability?"

"Is he worried about losing his home? ‘I don’t worry. I did all my worrying in the war,’ says the former tail-gunner, who clocked up a near-miraculous 60 sorties unscathed. ‘I suppose they might try to repossess my house, but they’ll have a job. I’m still a bit lively you know.’"

Still has that same spirit that made him complete 2 tours of operations in the lonliest & deadliest postion in a bomber - This is what all of us should remember
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Message 1291289 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:21:20 UTC - in response to Message 1291256.

Final Betrayal


Most probably still a political sore point our mass bombing of civilian areas in Germany.
Although Germany was the first to bomb civilians in the UK we did not
learn that this bombing was an error carried out by a German recognisances aircraft
until after the war. An error, a very foolish error on the part of the pilot
as he should have waited until he flew back over the sea before he jettisoned
his load. I wonder if this Bomber Command memorial, because of it's sensitivity
potential, should have included the lost bomber pilots from Germany too.
Had the latter been the case then Government funding could have been used to
build this memorial and I'm sure all would have been happy.


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Message 1291293 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:25:35 UTC
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I agree with both the sentiments of Sirius and Bernie. So what is to be done? No doubt the Mail will raise some sort of National collection for this, and for once, good for them if they do. But they shouldn't have to.

My parents became friends with a couple during WWII where the husband was a tail gunner in Bomber Command. I think he died in the 1960's. I remember him as a very unassuming man and always said very little about what he did during the war, even when he was asked, which I did. This is not right at all.

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Message 1291300 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:33:45 UTC - in response to Message 1291289.

When other nations can do this for the fallen, it makes my blood boil that this country cannot....

Finally laid to rest

The Dutch don't do it just for the sake of it, they do it out of respect. 67 years on, shows there's hope for us yet.

Shame the same can't be said of ourselves!
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Message 1291302 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:34:52 UTC

My best maths teacher had been a tail end Charlie. He was as deaf as a post, but he could sense the start of trouble in the class, and silence it with a very well aimed bit of chalk. Chunky, rest in peace.
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Message 1291306 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:41:11 UTC - in response to Message 1291302.

Yes, these "old timers" really are a breed apart. They never brag of their accomplishments during the war.

Back in 2007, my wife's grandfather passed away & at the service, it came to light of his RAF service during WWII. All I can say is unbelievable but at the same time, very humbling.

Makes me wonder....would I have been able to do that duty?

To this day, I still cannot answer that question, which makes the men & women of that time, people to look up to & respect.
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Message 1291315 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 17:51:32 UTC - in response to Message 1291293.
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I agree with both the sentiments of Sirius and Bernie. So what is to be done? No doubt the Mail will raise some sort of National collection for this, and for once, good for them if they do. But they shouldn't have to.

My parents became friends with a couple during WWII where the husband was a tail gunner in Bomber Command. I think he died in the 1960's. I remember him as a very unassuming man and always said very little about what he did during the war, even when he was asked, which I did. This is not right at all.


Here's an idea, get Nick Buckles to donate 1% of that £50 million "Management Fee" - problem solved!

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Message 1291398 - Posted: 4 Oct 2012, 21:48:23 UTC
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Watching the BBC's Question Time atm & the 1st question raised was the "West Coast Fiasco".

I think Kenneth Clarke is past his prime & time to retire.

As for Douglas Alexander, he's come up with a brilliant line for the current government: -

"This government is an ABC Government.... Anybody But Cameron"

I love it!
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Message 1291659 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 16:57:13 UTC

Here you go Chris, time for you to bring back your sig.......

Watching TV by candlelight by 2015 (that's AD, not 8:15pm)
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Message 1291780 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 21:18:47 UTC - in response to Message 1291204.
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Greening has undoubted abilities, but if she wants to maintain her position or rise higher, then she needs to learn some maturity.


"A DfT spokesman said officials had examined the Europa report, adding their analysis “at that time did not identify the specific technical errors that have since emerged”."

Ah, so you didn't find any "errors" & that gave you the ability to prevent that report making its way to the very top?

"The Europa report raises fresh questions over the DfT’s handling of the bid, which Mr McLoughlin admitted was “inconsistent” in his phone call to Virgin founder Sir Richard Branson. He is understood to have told Sir Richard that one bidder seemed to have had superior access to information, though he later suggested only that some bidders’ emails were answered where others were not."

Hmmn, favouritism equalling VERY LARGE BROWN ENVELOPES?

"Rupert Darwall, a consultant to Europa, said: “The language was very clear that this was a flawed process and it set out how to address those flaws. It was a document designed to help.”

The envelopes were very large, but unfortunately, not thick enough.

"The fall-out from the West Coast bid escalated on Thursday, with four Derbyshire MPs writing to Mr McLoughlin to call for a “pause” in the procurement of the £1.4bn Thameslink train contract, controversially awarded to Siemens rather than Bombardier. They pointed to concerns over “the assessment of risk”."

Well done Derbyshire! The German economy is strong enough, we need to provide for our own!

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Message 1291824 - Posted: 5 Oct 2012, 23:55:42 UTC

Well done Derbyshire! The German economy is strong enough, we need to provide for our own!

Hey Sirius, we can't start favouring our own industries over and above those
from abroad.....that's just not "Cricket". We stopped putting our own interests
first after the end of WW2.

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Message 1291982 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 10:52:14 UTC - in response to Message 1291824.

Well done Derbyshire! The German economy is strong enough, we need to provide for our own!

Hey Sirius, we can't start favouring our own industries over and above those
from abroad.....that's just not "Cricket". We stopped putting our own interests
first after the end of WW2.


In that case it's time for us to have the cake & them to have the dripping. Its also time we shut the doors of the "International Free Bank of Britain".
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Message 1291993 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 11:12:11 UTC
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I said this was going to turn nasty..."let the show begin"

1 of the 3 scapegoats speaks out

There's a lot more to this than anyone is letting on.......

...Will we ever get to hear the full story?

Technical faults my ass..... Some empty brown envelopes were found...
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Message 1292016 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 12:27:40 UTC

Let's wait and see what happens further before jumpimg to too many conclusions. I suspect there is lots more to come out yet. Already it is fairly unprecedented that senior Civil Servants should openly break cover and defend themselves in this way.

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Message 1292046 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 14:56:56 UTC - in response to Message 1292016.

Tut,tut,tut, I would have thought by now that you realised I'm the "Sarcasm King of Seti"

That's her career over, so she'll be looking for massive compensation. From the report, it looks like the "mandarins" have jumped the gun & assigned blame without any thought to who actually was involved in this fiasco.

I'm hoping the other 2, if they're from the same department, do the same. what a scandal that'll be.

Shame the News of the World is no longer in print...... :)
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Message 1292093 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 16:56:02 UTC

Shame the News of the World is no longer in print...... :)

Yup, no doubt would have had some evidence to supply to the enquiry via
their phone tapping department.



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Message 1292151 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 18:38:20 UTC

Good luck tomorrow Butch, however, make sure you're wearing a parachute.....

Camoron in freefall

.... & an altitude sensor, just in case.
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Message 1292166 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 19:21:12 UTC

I think there is a case for the the £1.4bn Thameslink train contract, which was lost by Bombardier to be re-assessed. It may be that the decision was correct, but I think we need to be reassured of that.



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Message 1292167 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 19:28:18 UTC - in response to Message 1292166.

I think there is a case for the the £1.4bn Thameslink train contract, which was lost by Bombardier to be re-assessed. It may be that the decision was correct, but I think we need to be reassured of that.


You gotta be joking! You expect this lot to go back on their word? They gotta keep greasing the asses of their friends in Europe.
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