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Message 1269390 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 8:39:05 UTC

Growing up & going to school throughout the 1960's in East London, where the effects of the bombing during WWII were still visible, times were hard for everyone.

However, the system worked (well, it seemed that way at least). Police were police, hospitals were "Real" hospitals & the Civil Service played its role & if memory serves me correctly, efficiently at that.

During my time at school, the curriculum was split into 3 sections: technical/business/domestic studies & within these catergories, further sub-catergories were available. The teaching standards were pretty good, with the teachers aware of their pupils strengths & weaknesses & often guided them into the correct catergory that suited their skill/aptitude/mindset.

In fact one classmate went on to become a U.N Interpreter, whether or not she is still in that role is unknown 40 years later. I do know that our language teachers were excellent with many of their pupils going on to become well paid translators - shame that it can no longer be said of our current system......

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Message 1269560 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 18:02:06 UTC

You know, you do worry me at times with these occasional bouts of lucidness, I really wish you wouldn't do this it is most un-nerving to us elderly Victorians of a gentle naure.

Growing up & going to school throughout the 1960's in East London, where the effects of the bombing during WWII were still visible, times were hard for everyone.

You should have tried it in the late 1940's and early 1950's when rationing was still on and we had pre-fabs on the local common for those that were bombed out from the East End. I remember the day rationing ended, and my brother and I cut up mums ration books to make confetti. Very silly, they would be worth some money now.

The house my mum and dad bought in 1948 was a terrace one that had received a direct hit during the blitz. It had been completely rebuilt and was to all intents and purposes new. They were very lucky indeed to get it. Coal and milk was still delivered by horse and cart then. I left school in 1961 and went to work, times then in SW London at least were not that bad then, I can't speak for elsewhere.

Police were police, hospitals were "Real" hospitals & the Civil Service played its role & if memory serves me correctly, efficiently at that.


Political correctness hadn't come in then, and most kids were brought up in a stable two parent family unit, and we didn't have the tree hugging Greens winging about everything. But the parliamentary perks were still going on behind the scenes, it was just that the press didn't fully realise or report them.

During my time at school, the curriculum was split into 3 sections: technical/business/domestic studies & within these catergories, further sub-catergories were available. The teaching standards were pretty good, with the teachers aware of their pupils strengths & weaknesses & often guided them into the correct catergory that suited their skill/aptitude/mindset.

My main time at school from 11 to 16 was from 1956 to 1961. The girls did Domestic Science and the boys did woodwork or metalwork. We all did English, History, Geography and Maths plus PT. And of course RI later called RE. Yes the system worked well up to a point.

Whatever happened to common sense?

A number of reasons.

1. The loony left were in charge of UK education for far too long and did irrevocable damage.
2. Too many USA thoughts and ideas filtered over from across the pond.
3. Trade Unions got too powerful
4. People got into a social security handouts habit
5. It pays young mums not to bother get married

etc etc

Life was better in the 50's and 60's, people were genuinely happy then with what they had. Kids didn't behave like spoilt brats demanding the latest £100 trainers, and getting away with it because of can't cope parents.




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Message 1269609 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 19:25:43 UTC - in response to Message 1269560.

Hi, this is Mrs SB, SB was rushed to the hospital at 18:03 this evening. He suffered a seizure which left him speechless :)

Pre-fabs - yep, had plenty of those in East London which were finally replaced in the early 70's. Even those were well maintained by the residents & often with their little gardens well cared for.

I think that was known as "community spirit" which has been replaced by selfishness & greed in today's societies as the same issues that are affecting many today, were at the fore back then as well.

As for the press, there were many events, both good & bad occurring but there was no "tabloid sensationalism" - JFK/RFK & MLK assassinations, the space program, the Krays & Richardsons, the Great Train Robbery & of course the World Cup, not forgetting the Mandy Rice-Davies/Christine Keeler scandal.

People made do with what they had & saved for those things they wanted/needed, no pieces of plastic back then.

So what's changed? IMV, it's a nasty little matter called "instant gratification" Must have that - Can't afford it? Well just loot it instead!

And, what makes matters worse for a lot of people is "little old victorians with a very gentle nature" stating that they would organise a whip round for a one-way ticket back to Ireland...tut tut tut.

Can you get better organised & start arranging whip rounds for those in the links in OP? Pretty sure the police would welcome your assistance.... :)
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Message 1269620 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 19:46:02 UTC - in response to Message 1269560.
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2. Too many USA thoughts and ideas filtered over from across the pond.



Heeeyyyyy!!!! if I weren't such a couch potato, I'd... well I'd like some more ice cream and violence on TV please. Is Dr. Who on?

Seriously, its called stigma. The stigma of being gay, black, poor, unwed mother, welfare for life went away. Now its chic to have a poor gay black unwed mother thats never going to get off welfare for a friend.
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Message 1269641 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 20:19:33 UTC

Hi, this is Mrs SB, SB was rushed to the hospital at 18:03 this evening. He suffered a seizure which left him speechless :)

I'm sorry to hear that Mrs. SB, and I send him my best wishes. But that presumably means that in the meantime we will be hearing some more of your erudite comments, until he returns

I think that was known as "community spirit" which has been replaced by selfishness & greed in today's societies as the same issues that are affecting many today, were at the fore back then as well.

We have seen a bit of a resurgence of that during the Diamond Jubilee and the Olympics, but it is not likely to last. We had a bit of it during the Falklands campaign as well. People today are not a patch upon their grandparents, and that is the sad thing.

As for the press, there were many events, both good & bad occurring but there was no "tabloid sensationalism"

To be fair there didn't need to be. There wasn't a worldwide recession. or a local double dip one, or a circulation war. Newspapers behaved basically within the rules. Of course bungs were paid for off the record comments, which were intended to be made public. But you didn't get Cabinet meeting stuff in the public domain, that came later with anarchists hell bent on destroying the establishment.

People made do with what they had & saved for those things they wanted/needed, no pieces of plastic back then.

Indeed they did, and no there weren't. Rolling overdrafts at the bank were unheard of, at least with my original bank the National Provincial. In those days I had to be "introduced" by a Director of my Company to even get a bank account.

And, what makes matters worse for a lot of people is "little old victorians with a very gentle nature" stating that they would organise a whip round for a one-way ticket back to Ireland...tut tut tut.


My dear Mrs SB, perhaps if your other half was a bit more respectful of the Nation and Country that he chooses to reside in then perhaps the rest of us might be a bit more affable in his direction. You might also tell him when next time that you visit, that the the local Police Inspector does welcome my assistance as I am the appointed co-ordinator of my local Neighbourhood Watch scheme. I have regular meetings with him and others in that respect.

Perhaps your other half might care in his time away recuperating, to ruminate upon what, if anything, he does to enhance his local community, or indeed anything for the general betterment of the country he chooses to live in. Filling in the annual HMRC return with an occupation of "Sideline bread roll thrower" and "Part time bookie gambler" is hardly likely to gain any credence.

However do give him our best regards whilst he is unwell, and we look forward to his eventual return to be castigated again.

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Message 1269644 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 20:21:14 UTC - in response to Message 1269560.

1. The loony left were in charge of UK education for far too long and did irrevocable damage.
2. Too many USA thoughts and ideas filtered over from across the pond.


Guess you didn't read my latest post in your "Parents in Classes?" thread?

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Message 1269647 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 20:23:18 UTC
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Yes I did see it!

Oops! Wild, wacky, math educationalists suggest Do the math in your head!

It will never catch on Sarge, the poor little dears will get a headache trying to do independent thinking without a calculator, and go into therapy which we will all have to pay for through taxes.

Way too radical. We can't have mentally able kids now can we, what will the world come to .....

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Message 1269746 - Posted: 9 Aug 2012, 23:49:25 UTC - in response to Message 1269647.

Yes I did see it!

Oops! Wild, wacky, math educationalists suggest Do the math in your head!

It will never catch on Sarge, the poor little dears will get a headache trying to do independent thinking without a calculator, and go into therapy which we will all have to pay for through taxes.

Way too radical. We can't have mentally able kids now can we, what will the world come to .....


If you followed the link, and investigated, you'd find it came from an organization that is in the US and supposedly loony left.

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Message 1269971 - Posted: 10 Aug 2012, 13:51:33 UTC - in response to Message 1269641.
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Perhaps your other half might care in his time away recuperating, to ruminate upon what, if anything, he does to enhance his local community, or indeed anything for the general betterment of the country he chooses to live in. Filling in the annual HMRC return with an occupation of "Sideline bread roll thrower" and "Part time bookie gambler" is hardly likely to gain any credence.


What an amazing quote! It seems your politicial masters disagrees with you. They seem to love part time gamblers: -

"The Department of Culture in January announced an extra £500m from the national lottery for sport. The DCMS revealed lottery projections from December 2011 showed that total income for sport between 2012-13 and 2016-17 was expected to be £1.8bn, up from the £1.3bn forecast in September 2010".

However do give him our best regards whilst he is unwell, and we look forward to his eventual return to be castigated again.


Once again your arrogance shines through, or should that be ignorance?

What is it with your ilk? Hate to have the worms in the salad on display in the No 1 restaurant known as "Cookthebooks UK"?

What's the matter? Too scared to mention or even act on the issues raised by people like me in case your new found friends in the Police & Parliament might mistake you for a racist?

No guts to stand up for your country when unbridled immigration is fecking it up? But you condescend to continue to knock down & insult those who do so?

When the police were 2 seperate divisions: - crime (blue vehicles) & traffic (white vehicles) there were not many incidents such as these.....

Wrong way M6 driver jailed Please put your spectacles on & look at the size of that vehicle! Had that incident resulted in fatalities, I don't think your condolences would be any way helpful to those families that would have lost relatives!
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Message 1270334 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 12:08:14 UTC

@Skildude Esq

I see that you have caught a nasty bout of Siriusitis virus and are now residing in Zambia. There is a lot of it going around at the moment. The recommended treatment is 3 days rest in bed, preferably in a darkened room, lots of nourishing soups, avoid the Daily Mail at all costs, and contemplate ones navel for 1 hour a day.

It's quite contagious but don't worry, you can be cured, it just takes a bit of time and patience.

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Message 1270380 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 14:29:24 UTC - in response to Message 1270334.

@Skildude Esq

I see that you have caught a nasty bout of Siriusitis virus and are now residing in Zambia. There is a lot of it going around at the moment. The recommended treatment is 3 days rest in bed, preferably in a darkened room, lots of nourishing soups, avoid the Daily Mail at all costs, and contemplate ones navel for 1 hour a day.

It's quite contagious but don't worry, you can be cured, it just takes a bit of time and patience.



It seems that you've caught Siriusitis as well - wow, you want to leave your beloved country after all you have been saying.........

Welcome to the 21C Martin, this is what life is like now. The first ET flying saucer that lands in my back garden with have an extra fare paying passenger.


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Message 1270453 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 16:56:10 UTC
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It seems that you've caught Siriusitis as well - wow, you want to leave your beloved country after all you have been saying.........

It would seem that you haven't yet fully recovered from your recent malady as that is not up to the usual mediocrity of your previous posts. I hope you get better soon.

Choosing to leave the world entirely is not quite the same as leaving ones country, to live elsewhere in the world, as you are well aware. Your passport in recent weeks must be running out of space for visa stamps. By the way Cuba is a Unitary republic, Marxist-Leninist single party state, not sure how they would react to their politicians being called muppets.

No matter, just get in touch with his nibs Raúl Castro over an iced Mojito, and I'm sure you can iron out any differences.

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Message 1270466 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 17:24:13 UTC - in response to Message 1270453.

Well if you want to leave the world, this could help you....as you're serving no useful purpose on the planet......asides from knocking down your so called friends for the past year or so.....

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Message 1270500 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 18:37:50 UTC - in response to Message 1270466.

Well if you want to leave the world, this could help you....as you're serving no useful purpose on the planet......asides from knocking down your so called friends for the past year or so.....

Good Idea

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I love the comedy team Chris & Sirius have put together. Their good-natured ribbing of each other, along with at least some easily shot down claims ... this is hilarious stuff! :)

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Message 1270513 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 19:06:45 UTC

Hi Sarge,

We aim to please and keep you amused, and perhaps add a lighter side to the usually heavy forum here in politics. Make no mistake, we do have quite fundamental differences across a wide range of subjects, and we are quite serious in our individual views. But as you have seen, our disagreements can be conducted in a basically gentlemanly fashion, without any nastiness. or bad temper.



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Message 1270535 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 19:35:09 UTC

Comedy show? Really? From an ingerlander who cherry picks the posts he replies to? Where does it show that I'm not serious?

FYI, I'm deadly serious in that I've come across many self righteous inglish scumbags over the past 40 years & find it sad they're still are some left in the country.

Well, they do say a leopard doesn't change it's spots.

No nastiness or bad temper, who are you trying to kid?

So tell us then. Never mind what ill gotten gains you might have made, just how much cash did you lay out in bets before the games started?


Still waiting for your reply to the comment made to the above post.

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Message 1270538 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 19:39:12 UTC

I dont know if you guys are kidding or not. Id say not! So keep it civil or it gets locked for a bit.
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Message 1270548 - Posted: 11 Aug 2012, 20:13:31 UTC - in response to Message 1270538.

I dont know if you guys are kidding or not. Id say not! So keep it civil or it gets locked for a bit.


James, Chris and Sirius are the fora's very own Statler and Waldorf. Any disagreements are soon settled.
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Message 1270745 - Posted: 12 Aug 2012, 9:37:36 UTC

A public warning from a Moderator indicates to me that it is time to tone this thread down. I don't want it locked and I wouldn't have thought anyone else does either. I am quite happy to answer matters via pm offline to avoid that eventuality.

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Message 1270845 - Posted: 12 Aug 2012, 16:24:03 UTC

Of course the past was more sensible than the present, it had fewer mistakes to learn from (or not as the case may be....)
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