So Just What Do Illegals/Asylum Seekers Get

This thread is inspired by a comment by msattler in another thread

Close the borders and immediately deport all illegals and quash all tax-sucking benefits many of them now enjoy at our expense. No more handouts to those in this country illegally. Period, no discussion.

Does anyone really know just what benefits (if any) they get ?

They get all the benefits that Obama claims, you didn't build your business. They get free medical care if they turn up at a hospital. They don't have to pay taxes on their cash wages. They don't have social security or medicare taken out of their wages. They get special treatment if they apply to be legal.


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We both have a similar problem each side of the pond.

.....They get free medical care if they turn up at a hospital.

They don't have to pay taxes on their cash wages.

They don't have social security or medicare taken out of their wages.

They get special treatment if they apply to be legal.

.....They get free medical care if they turn up at a hospital.

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They don't have to pay taxes on their cash wages.

Actually they do have to to pay taxes on their income, both they and their employer are in breach of the tax laws if they don't. If they were caught they could be charged with tax evasion. Also the cash economy is not restricted to illegals

They don't have social security or medicare taken out of their wages.

But then they don't get Social Security or Medicare benefits either

They get special treatment if they apply to be legal.

And when they become legal they pay taxes and the Medicare levy, buy property and put money into the "real" economy. Problem solved :-)

No-one has answered my original question. What Government benefits do illegal immigrants in a country (any country, US, UK, Aus. Wherever) actually get ? Can anyone prove the original charge that they are bludging off the taxpayer ?

T.A.

States cannot use TANF funds to assist most legal immigrants until they have been in the country for at least 5 years.

Who pays for that free medical care? The government.

And I ask you, what other developed country in this world leaves their gates open so freely.
And on top of it, has a President who says 'Aw, shucks folks, let 'em in and give them the golden keys to the crapper...they vote for me.'
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Does anyone really know just what benefits (if any) they get ?

T.A.

Barry, it depends on where they work. In traditional day labor jobs no one even bothers to get a number; no I-9 forms, no W-4 forms, cash only. If they are in a factory, they get a false number but they get paid by check, not cash.

I know of a place that moved into the building my former employer vacated and got an ICE/INS raid after they had been there two months. Seems that a person in HR was tasked with getting false papers for the workers. About 2/3 of the workers were placed into custody as well as executives of the company.

As to the normal place, it takes about two years to get a "no match letter" or a "B" notice. Then they still can't do anything except have a little chat.

The smart ones get a name and number that matches. That costs more of course. Might never get caught. IRS and SSA may know that more than one person is using the number and even go so far as to keep separate accounts, but they have no way of knowing who (which address, employer) the number actually belongs to.

As to illegals, had two recent ones at work. Found out about both when they showed up in HR with brand spanking new work authorizations with their real names on them. One had been on the payroll for 10 years. That one I understand, he had been using his dad's ID. The other was a wet who came across in a diaper.

Got another, a legal, who has a tax garnishment, but that is another story.

As to how many are legal or illegal, where I am employed, East Los Angeles, or Little TJ, I'd guess about an 80/20 mix.

As to work, the "ethnics" are a heck of a lot better workers for doing muscle work than an American prima donna.

Yes, Barry, I know this all too well.

Gary, quite often they are in fact on the books (perhaps with false social security numbers). What happens then is that the FICA payments go into a government black hole -- no credit to the worker but a money deposit nonetheless.

Increasingly businesses are held to checks on status for employees.

Of course there ARE cash economy games out there -- particularly day labor folks, house cleaning folks - people working for private individuals. But absent proof, I'm inclined to believe that is not as large a proportion as the 'hispanics are evil' folks portray.

There is as well (I suspect you are quite aware of this) an increasing number (and with the ongoing economic issues in this country an increasing proportion) of 'ethnics' -- hispanic and asian in particular, who ARE legal residents, who do work 'real' jobs and who do contribute to the country in fully legal status.

Often enough, these *legal* folks also work in jobs and at wages below the 'dignity' of 'native' Americans -- and perform those jobs with a level of diligence that should be recognized.

They get all the benefits that Obama claims, you didn't build your business. They get free medical care if they turn up at a hospital. They don't have to pay taxes on their cash wages. They don't have social security or medicare taken out of their wages. They get special treatment if they apply to be legal.

I don't post here often, but as an immegrant myself, I need to speak out.
I got a fast track visa 32 yrs ago. It seems, my ex brother in law can do the same for his fiance now.
Gary and I live in different parts of the state. Things are different. Who want's to work in 100 F+ to harvest? What is grown here in the valley, feeds a lot of people around the world.
I help people obtain ITINs, those are the good ones. Yes they know, they pay into Social Security and Medicare and don't see the benefit for those years until they finally get a work visa.
Let's get rid of the criminals.
I know easier said than done, but we should concentrate on them.

BTW, there is a fast track, for HR to verify the legality of an employee.
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All posters please note. This thread is purely to discuss the claims that illegal immigrants (to any country) get a fortune in Government benefits as soon as they land. It is NOT about discussing immigration policy in general.

So far we've had a lot of emotion but very little in the way of facts. It is starting to appear that the stories about excessive benefits are just that, stories. About the only benefit it appears they get is health care, which anyone can get by turning up at a public hospital but the cost of this is nowhere near the amount of benefits the emails that are circulating claim.

@Gary

Who pays for that free medical care? The government.

States cannot use TANF funds to assist most legal (My emphasis) immigrants until they have been in the country for at least 5 years.

Here it's called "a free pass."

I don't post here often, but as an immegrant myself, I need to speak out.
I got a fast track visa 32 yrs ago. It seems, my ex brother in law can do the same for his fiance now.
Gary and I live in different parts of the state. Things are different. Who want's to work in 100 F+ to harvest? What is grown here in the valley, feeds a lot of people around the world.
I help people obtain ITINs, those are the good ones. Yes they know, they pay into Social Security and Medicare and don't see the benefit for those years until they finally get a work visa.
Let's get rid of the criminals.
I know easier said than done, but we should concentrate on them.

BTW, there is a fast track, for HR to verify the legality of an employee.

Yes Mark, I am fully aware of the topic.
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I think it needs to be pointed out that in the UK at least, where people claim asylum, it was originally supposed to be "Political asylum" that they are claiming. However these days the category has been widened to refugee status with various claims allowed.

Asylum is given under the 1951 United Nations Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees. To be recognised as a refugee, you must have left your country and be unable to go back because you have a well-founded fear of persecution because of your:

race;
religion;
nationality;
political opinion; or
membership of a particular social group.