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Message 1316417 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 14:08:52 UTC - in response to Message 1316415.  
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The law...

Fixed your link Illinois State Rifle Association Just in case people do not want to go to a firearms website as I didn't
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Message 1316450 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 17:05:15 UTC - in response to Message 1316347.  

RIP
Charlotte Bacon, 6, Daniel Barden, 7, Olivia Engel, 6, Josephine Gay, 7, Ana M. Marquez-Greene, 6, Dylan Hockley, 6, Madeleine F. Hsu, 6, Catherine V. Hubbard, 6, Chase Kowalski, 7, Jesse Lewis, 6, James Mattioli, 6, Grace McDonnell, 7, Emilie Parker, 6, Jack Pinto, 6, Noah Pozner, 6, Caroline Previdi, 6, Jessica Rekos, 6, Avielle Richman, 6, Benjamin Wheeler, 6, Allison N. Wyatt, 6. And those who tried to intervene: Rachel Davino, 29, Dawn Hochsprung, 47, Anne Marie Murphy, 52, Lauren Rousseau, 30, Mary Sherlach, 56, Victoria Soto, 27.

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Message 1316466 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 18:08:34 UTC

Didn't I read here where you can't have a mass slaying with a knife because you have to chase the victims down ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20754581

Crazy control, NOW!

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Message 1316469 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 18:10:21 UTC

There was nothing wrong with the link, and the link you added took us to the same place. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........????????????
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Message 1316470 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 18:16:31 UTC

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Message 1316472 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 18:18:39 UTC

Ummm I fixed your link just in case people, like myself, don't like or care about the BBC...

Far leftist group the BBC
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Message 1316480 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 18:43:08 UTC - in response to Message 1316469.  
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There was nothing wrong with the link, and the link you added took us to the same place. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...........????????????

Because I was annoyed you directed me to a gun club site. With a link titled "The Law" I was just letting people know where the link actually went.

Because you often put less than honest links hoping people will think these sites offer the answer to problems.
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Message 1316481 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 18:48:07 UTC

I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an adminstration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartel members!

I don’t carry a gun… … to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
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I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world....

I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.
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Message 1316482 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 18:55:41 UTC - in response to Message 1316477.  

I agree that the Pakistan bomb, is terrible. But I also think that taking childish potshots at the British BBC, upon the eve of the first funerals of these tragic children in America, as per the title of this thread, is beneath you.

Potshot was at those who are screaming that there must be gun control to prevent mass murder, not the BBC. They are presently doing their childish screaming upon the eve, I'm simply returning the favor. But you are right using ID's link tactic isn't correct. Slap on hands noted.


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Message 1316503 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 19:24:42 UTC

As if your links are solutions to problems....

We disagree, this isn't a flame. Note the differance.

Slap NOT welcome and ignored. I'm entitled to my opinion.
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Message 1316508 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 19:33:25 UTC - in response to Message 1316481.  

I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an adminstration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartel members!

I don’t carry a gun… … to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.
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I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world....

I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

How big of an ammo clip does it take to make you feel safe?
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Message 1316535 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 20:17:43 UTC

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Message 1316540 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 20:45:31 UTC - in response to Message 1316481.  

I can't wait to be lectured about my gun rights by an adminstration responsible for giving guns to Mexican drug cartel members!

I don’t carry a gun… … to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed.

Would have though a gun carrying criminal would attempt to shoot you, because you are a threat to the criminal. The criminal would not see unarmed people as a threat.

I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place.

That doesn't make sense. If you carry a concealed gun, who's going to know. If the gun is not concealed then you will scare people.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world.

That is very questionable, only a paranoid person see's threats everywhere.
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I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world....

There very few evil people in the world, are you sure you're not paranoid?

I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government.

The limitations of your goverment is probably because of your political system. Allowing virtually unlimited finanical support (super-pacs) during elections, so that sensible laws are then almost impossible to enact because so many politicians have accepted support from people/organisations that oppose the proposed law, and that is not just gun law.

I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared.

The immpression I get is that you loose your cool here frequently. That is just my impression and I might be wrong, but if I am not, then I have to assume you loose it in the rest of your life as well.

I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon.

I don't think that is logical.
If you carry a gun, you must be prepared to use it. Therefore you must be prepared to kill.
He who lives by the sword, dies by the sword, a frequent phase taken from The Book of Revelation, 13:10: "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love.

I'm not convinced. I'm sure carrying a gun makes you more of a target, to the criminal(s) and even to the police because they cannot be sure you are not a criminal also. Therefore I can only assume you carry a gun to bolster your fragile ego.

I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate.

You are still inadequate in that situation. Unless you are barricade in, in a good defensive location. And I don't think even America has got that bad yet.

I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

Again, not convinced.
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Message 1316555 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 21:29:31 UTC

You don't know me and your not qualified to make such statements because of that. Ya, sure do get mad here when MY VOICE is silenced because it is a violation of my first amendment RIGHTS.
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Message 1316556 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 21:34:58 UTC - in response to Message 1316555.  

Sorry ID, the 1st amendment does not cover public forums & if you google it, you will find that numerous people over the past year have been convicted & imprisoned for exactly that same view.

You've been doing ok till now, no more holidays for you......unless you want one that is.
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Message 1316572 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 22:08:13 UTC
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Convicted & imprisoned for what? Demanding their first amendment rights? No, Im sure that is not why they was convicted & imprisoned. Convicted & imprisoned for saying they was going to do--this, that or something along them lines that was against the law perhaps. I have not done or said such a thing.

If Im going to get another vacation it had dang well be for something other then speaking up for the Constitution as per intent, myself or God for that matter.

I also find it hypocritical being told I must answer questions when one is pointed at me. Yet, when I point one that people would rather not answer and they do NOT answer is there any backlash? LOL, nope! LOL!
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Message 1316576 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 22:12:17 UTC - in response to Message 1316553.  

What is it with you gun-haters? (gun-haters <- a very neutral term)

What is there to understand?

Scenereo #1 - Guns are illegal.

A CRIMINAL, by definition does not follow the law and wants to take my possessions and rightfully thinks a gun puts him at an advantage. I, a LAW ABIDING CONTRIBUTOR TO SOCIETY, do not have a gun because I FOLLOW THE LAW.

He come to me, points his gun at me and expects me to hand over my possessions as he exercises complete power and control over me. I, because I fear for my life, hand over my possessions to him and beg and plead to not shoot me. If he's feeling especially cruel today, he shoots me anyway. I'm dead and my possessions are now his, my wife is left alone, my kids are left fatherless, the income potential of this tax paying married couple is diminished, the people I work for has to scramble to replace me, all my friends and family are sad and the socialist/Marxist/communists cry we need stronger gun control laws.

Scenereo #2 - Guns are legal.

A CRIMINAL, by defintion does not follow the law and therefore STILL wants to take my possessions and STILL thinks a gun puts him at an advantage. I, a LAW ABIDING CONTRIBUTOR TO SOCIETY take the concealed carry training/test and pass it. I file the necessary paperwork along with my mug shot and finger prints. The state sees that I have a clean record and have met all the requirements for them to believe I'm not a dumbass trying to do something stupid and until I prove otherwise, I can be trusted with a gun in my posession.

The criminal comes to me, points his gun at me and expects me to hand over my possessions as he exercises complete power and control over me. I, because I carry a legally concealed weapon underneath my wasteband pull my weapon and shoot him twice in the center of mass and once in the head. As he bleeds all over my entrance way, I call the police, they take pictures, gather evidence, take statements, see that the dead guy has a wrap sheet and an outstanding warrant for his arrest and I'm asked if I need any trauma counciling because of this justified extreme act of violence. A few months go by, I get over it and remain humble in all the positive press about this incident and I continue being a contributor to society, pay taxes, stay married to my wife, and continue doing the best to raise my kids to be good citizens also. And the socialist/Marxist/communists continue to cry we need stronger gun control because guns cause violence.

Just why the "H" "E" double HOCKEY STICKS do you "gun-haters" want to support CRIMINALS, CHAOS and ANARCHY?

Until you can prove to me all the bad guys' guns are taken away, I want to keep mine.

Don't make me start googling gun violence in countries where guns are illegal or countries where gun violence is at a minimum because the government requires its citizens to own guns.

You'd kill another human being over a few possessions? and you think its us that have our priorities wrong?

You pull a gun on someone you'd better be sure you are ready to pull the trigger. You'd better be sure you are ready to shoot them and kill them.

I've been the victim of crime on more than one occasion. I can tell you quite positively, that as a moral human being that values life, I would never, never, ever, ever considering killing someone who was trying to steal from me.

To even think that the sum of all my possessions is worth one human life (however much I might not like that person) is shameful and I am quite revolted at the thought.
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Message 1316580 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 22:19:12 UTC

So many people who are insisting that their right to carry guns protects them and is the solution.

Yet how many mass shootings have actually been stopped by all these gun wielding heros?
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Message 1316585 - Posted: 17 Dec 2012, 22:25:45 UTC - in response to Message 1316580.  

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