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Message 1315422 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 3:54:49 UTC - in response to Message 1315307.  

Without a gun, you end up chasing everyone after the first one.

Ever heard the phrase "deer in headlights"?

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Message 1315462 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 7:06:26 UTC - in response to Message 1315422.  

Survivors Mourn 26 Massacre Victims
As Police Search for Gunman's Motive

20 innocent lives were lost, yesterday. :-( My children used to go to school in Connecticut. They are much older now, and safe. The parents can't go out and buy another child. Yes, I pray, and will say a prayer for all of them.
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Message 1315468 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 7:42:23 UTC - in response to Message 1315409.  

“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

― Jeff Cooper, Art of the Rifle

Yes, a shoot out in a kindergarten classroom would make this so much better.

What happened today is horrific beyond words. It's not a black and white issue, it's monstrous.

The most monstrous thing is that this person was able to get hold of something so easily to make real whatever madness was going through his head.

Any sane society regulates things that are dangerous.

Alcohol? Regulated.
Cars? Regulated.
Medicines? Regulated.
Toxic chemicals? Regulated.
Radioactive materials? Regulated.
Kindereggs? Regulated.

Even chocolates with toys in are bloody well regulated.

Anyone who thinks that unrestricted access to guns is a good idea is an idiot...and if I sound angry, it's because I am. 20 small children died today because a crazy person was able to get hold of a gun.

America needs to face up to its problem. Shame on you, shame on you all for enabling this.
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Message 1315499 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 9:35:37 UTC
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Thoughts from the heart for all these young victims in the school of Newtown, Connecticut.
My deepest condolences to the families.
Dark Day even for France.

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Message 1315573 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 13:24:52 UTC

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Message 1315597 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 15:53:56 UTC - in response to Message 1315468.  

The most monstrous thing is that this person was able to get hold of something so easily to make real whatever madness was going through his head.

Yes, he stole them. Something the biased media will refuse to report. Instead they will say they were legally sold. But they weren't sold to the person pulling the trigger. So how did he get them? He stole them from the purchaser. They won't say that. Ask yourself why they won't report the truth.

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Message 1315614 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 16:54:30 UTC - in response to Message 1315597.  

The most monstrous thing is that this person was able to get hold of something so easily to make real whatever madness was going through his head.

Yes, he stole them. Something the biased media will refuse to report. Instead they will say they were legally sold. But they weren't sold to the person pulling the trigger. So how did he get them? He stole them from the purchaser. They won't say that. Ask yourself why they won't report the truth.

The BBC report says that he stole them from his mother, and he lived with her. Makes little difference really.
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Message 1315634 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 17:25:23 UTC - in response to Message 1315597.  

The most monstrous thing is that this person was able to get hold of something so easily to make real whatever madness was going through his head.

Yes, he stole them. Something the biased media will refuse to report. Instead they will say they were legally sold. But they weren't sold to the person pulling the trigger. So how did he get them? He stole them from the purchaser. They won't say that. Ask yourself why they won't report the truth.

It doesn't matter Gary, because for some reason she had guns in her house. I've manged 40 years in my life without having a gun in my house. I know that should I, or any one else I know have a breakdown then the damage they or I do will be limited.

I lived in one of the roughest parts of London for 17 years and never once did I think that having a gun would improve things. All the arguments for being allowed to freely posses guns pale insignificance compared to the damage here. The arguments are skewed and out of proportion.

The absolute truth is this: A child's right to life trumps anyone's right to posses a device designed to kill easily, and frequently from a distance.
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Message 1315640 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 17:37:14 UTC - in response to Message 1315580.  
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Alcohol, Cars, Medicines, Toxic chemicals, Radioactive materials...

Yup all regulated.

And guns? Totally unregulated. Anybody at any age can drop by their local convenient store and pick up a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, and... oh yeah, throw an AK-47 in the shopping cart also.

The government needs to regulate everything in order for society to be happy--including when you go to sleep at night and morning calisthenics.

Seeing as spouting stupid ill thought out sarcastic extreme rhetoric seems the way to go, let me try.

There should be no government at all. Nothing should be regulated. Instead, we should all have guns and be allowed to shoot anyone we feel like to settle our differences. The best way to tackle bullying in schools is to arm the children. That would make them all safe. We should also be allowed to dump toxic waste in school yards, because to not be allowed to do so is restricting American freedoms.

Also, we need to stop licensing doctors. Anyone should be allowed to freely operate on anyone they want. In fact, I think mentally ill people should be allowed to perform abortions, we shouldn't restrict their freedoms at all.

Parents should be allowed to discipline their children any way they want, and if that is with guns, then that is cool too.

After all, freedom trumps everything.

We need to get rid of judges, because if everyone had guns no one would do anything bad. That is so true because 100% of the population is capable of acting rationally and impartially.

The reason 100% of people are so rational and fair is because they have freedom.

I totally trust strangers in the street to be able to shoot me if I step out of line. After all, once you give a person a gun they become a better person. I am sure the facts back me up on this because I feel they should do, and everyone else in the world is just like me.
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Message 1315652 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 17:52:15 UTC - in response to Message 1315407.  

Every time a tragedy like this happens, both sides of the gun control issue will USE it to argue their case.

I, for one, will not further discuss my views in the face of this unbelievable time of sorrow.

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Message 1315674 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 18:53:24 UTC - in response to Message 1315659.  

Alcohol, Cars, Medicines, Toxic chemicals, Radioactive materials...

Yup all regulated.

And guns? Totally unregulated. Anybody at any age can drop by their local convenient store and pick up a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread, and... oh yeah, throw an AK-47 in the shopping cart also.

The government needs to regulate everything in order for society to be happy--including when you go to sleep at night and morning calisthenics.

Seeing as spouting stupid ill thought out sarcastic extreme rhetoric seems the way to go, let me try.

There should be no government at all. Nothing should be regulated. Instead, we should all have guns and be allowed to shoot anyone we feel like to settle our differences. The best way to tackle bullying in schools is to arm the children. That would make them all safe. We should also be allowed to dump toxic waste in school yards, because to not be allowed to do so is restricting American freedoms.

Also, we need to stop licensing doctors. Anyone should be allowed to freely operate on anyone they want. In fact, I think mentally ill people should be allowed to perform abortions, we shouldn't restrict their freedoms at all.

Parents should be allowed to discipline their children any way they want, and if that is with guns, then that is cool too.

After all, freedom trumps everything.

We need to get rid of judges, because if everyone had guns no one would do anything bad. That is so true because 100% of the population is capable of acting rationally and impartially.

The reason 100% of people are so rational and fair is because they have freedom.

I totally trust strangers in the street to be able to shoot me if I step out of line. After all, once you give a person a gun they become a better person. I am sure the facts back me up on this because I feel they should do, and everyone else in the world is just like me.


Now that's extremism there. What? You don't want clean water to drink? No police or fire? No education?

These things go against freedom, Guy. Isn't that what you keep telling everyone? Your argument is that if we regulate one thing then government should regulate everything. You take a stance of all or nothing. Which isn't an argument at all.

You might as well claim that the whole problem is schools, simply because education is mandated by the government.

However, anyone with any sense can see that guns are dangerous and shouldn't be handed out like candy.
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Message 1315696 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 19:27:52 UTC - in response to Message 1315634.  

The absolute truth is this: A child's right to life trumps anyone's right to posses a device designed to kill easily, and frequently from a distance.

I assume you mean "anyone" to include governments, military and police forces. I assume you mean "device" to include say throwing stars perhaps dipped in the nerve agent of choice.

Otherwise those devices will exist and can be stolen as happened here.

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Message 1315708 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 19:43:23 UTC

Every school shooting that has happened in my Country has happened in a firearm free zone, mandatory, by law.

How has that worked out for us?

Try being a parent, even if the child is NOT yours.

May I help you?

I do every day at work. I look in their eyes everyday at work. We talk about OUR children at work. Them kids are NOT our blood children. We love them. We care. We believe. We do make a difference.
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Message 1315709 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 19:44:20 UTC - in response to Message 1315573.  



Has a school shooting happened here?

Ever hear of a mass shooting at a gun show?
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Message 1315712 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 19:46:10 UTC - in response to Message 1315674.  

However, anyone with any sense can see that guns are dangerous and shouldn't be handed out like candy.

Perhaps Canada and the UK hand them out like candy, I don't know. In the USA you have to pass a background check.

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Message 1315717 - Posted: 15 Dec 2012, 19:58:41 UTC - in response to Message 1315712.  
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Absolutely spiffing background check, old chap!

"ATF Quoted

•Corrupt federally licensed gun dealers: Federally licensed gun dealers send more guns to the criminal market than any other single source. Nearly 60% of the guns used in crime are traced back to a small number—just 1.2%—of crooked gun dealers. Corrupt dealers frequently have high numbers of missing guns, in many cases because they’re selling guns “off the books” to private sellers and criminals. In 2005, the ATF examined 3,083 gun dealers and found 12,274 “missing” firearms.

•Straw purchasing: Straw purchasing is the most common way criminals get guns, accounting for almost 50% of trafficking investigations. A straw purchaser is someone with a clean record who buys guns on behalf of someone legally prohibited from possessing guns. Straw purchasers are often the friends, relatives, spouses or girlfriends of prohibited purchasers. The two Columbine High School shooters recruited friends to buy guns for them at Colorado gun shows. One of the buyers admitted she would not have bought the guns if she had been required to submit to a background check.

•Gun Shows and private gun sales: Gun shows have been called “Tupperware parties for criminals” because they attract large numbers of prohibited buyers. A loophole in federal law allows unlicensed or “private” sellers, many of whom work out of gun shows, to lawfully sell or transfer guns without conducting a criminal background check. Gun show dealers have been known to advertise to criminals with signs that read “no background checks required here.”"
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