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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1358 Credit: 2,421,705 RAC: 2,185	Message 1262480 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 9:44:38 UTC
	Colorado. 14 Dead. 50 Injured. Movie Theatre. New Batman. 'bout 3 hours ago. HumanityOnFireFourthAngel ____________
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2946 Credit: 2,306,100 RAC: 24	Message 1262523 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 13:23:25 UTC
	BBC News; Batman US cinema shooting: 12 dead in Colorado; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18921492 Its time for the Americans to reform their gun laws. If you allow everybody in civilian society to carry guns, then you will have war in the civilian community. John. ____________
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1227 Credit: 3,500,304 RAC: 927	Message 1262555 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 15:18:19 UTC
	cough cough... Well, how about using this case as an example where swift justice is served? How about we put him in front of a judge tomorrow, have the two or three dozen folks who were lucky enough to NOT get shot point there fingers at him, and then execute him at midnight tomorrow night? How about we send a clear message to society that this kind of behavior is frowned upon? No? Ok, let's find some up and coming pro-bono lawyer to represent him, gather a team of lawyers, spend 5 years putting together a case to make sure he gets a FAIR trial, and then call it a success when he does NOT get the death penalty and gets 30 years, out in 15 with good behavior? And if I had drawn a perfectly legal, concealed weapon from my in-waste-band holster and shot the son of a bi*** while he was spraying bullets in another direction, would I have been the bad guy? I guess so, eh?
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8970 Credit: 37,777,696 RAC: 42,937	Message 1262556 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 15:18:23 UTC - in response to Message 1262523.
	Good luck getting anything past the gun nuts...err NRA or the conservatives that are supported by them. Honestly, we sell guns to anyone. Perhaps forcing people into seminars and training could weed out a few that appear a bit loco. Or even a psych eval before a purchase. It's pretty clear that its so easy to buy guns and ship them to Mexico that any nut in the US could easily obtain a gun and fire at will in multiple theaters if they wanted. Oh and about concealed handgun laws. How about NO!!!! One thing we just don't need is a crapload of vigilantes running around. And BTW you can't take that concealed gun into virtually any establishment. Meaning you get to leave it in your (most likely) truck when you go ino the 7-11, the Dr's office, a movie, grocery shopping, a restaurant, or even get your hair cut. It seems that this law is a pointless effort by gun nuts to be able to brandish weapons in public an nothing more. This current incident is just another episode of BUT I HAVE MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. Screw that. Amendments have been repealed perhaps its about time we get rid if this one ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 12012 Credit: 19,597,340 RAC: 44,051	Message 1262560 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 15:23:18 UTC - in response to Message 1262523.
	Its time for the Americans to reform their gun laws. If you allow everybody in civilian society to carry guns, then you will have war in the civilian community. Crazy people will do crazy things. If it wasn't a gun, it would be other ways to get the job done. The answer isn't more laws or gun control, the answer is trying to identify these people before the fly off the handle and get them the help they need.
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1227 Credit: 3,500,304 RAC: 927	Message 1262561 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 15:23:54 UTC - in response to Message 1262556.
	Apparently, you are not familiar with the concealed carry laws here in Texas. I am. I have a card that you can only get after being finger printed, being photographed, being back ground checked, and taking 8 hours of classroom training. True, you cannot carry a concealed gun into some areas. Most placed you can, though. Good luck getting anything past the gun nuts...err NRA or the conservatives that are supported by them. Honestly, we sell guns to anyone. Perhaps forcing people into seminars and training could weed out a few that appear a bit loco. Or even a psych eval before a purchase. It's pretty clear that its so easy to buy guns and ship them to Mexico that any nut in the US could easily obtain a gun and fire at will in multiple theaters if they wanted. Oh and about concealed handgun laws. How about NO!!!! One thing we just don't need is a crapload of vigilantes running around. And BTW you can't take that concealed gun into virtually any establishment. Meaning you get to leave it in your (most likely) truck when you go ino the 7-11, the Dr's office, a movie, grocery shopping, a restaurant, or even get your hair cut. It seems that this law is a pointless effort by gun nuts to be able to brandish weapons in public an nothing more. This current incident is just another episode of BUT I HAVE MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. Screw that. Amendments have been repealed perhaps its about time we get rid if this one
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,675,896 RAC: 7,791	Message 1262594 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 16:20:38 UTC - in response to Message 1262561.
	Regarding concealed carry (we also have that in Arizona -- state legislators have tried to expand legal concealed carry to allow folks to bring these onto school campus as well) -- while it is not 'legal' in many places, if your intent is to do real damage without concern for consequences - legal or not doesn't matter). I suspect concealed carry to a movie theater isn't legal in Colorado. For that matter, if you can purchase a gun, and don't care, you can conceal carry it anywhere. And no, while there will be an outcry about gun control -- nothing will happen.
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Ex Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 2883 Credit: 1,184,295 RAC: 985	Message 1262599 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 16:32:34 UTC - in response to Message 1262560. Last modified: 20 Jul 2012, 16:33:16 UTC
	Its time for the Americans to reform their gun laws. If you allow everybody in civilian society to carry guns, then you will have war in the civilian community. Crazy people will do crazy things. If it wasn't a gun, it would be other ways to get the job done. The answer isn't more laws or gun control, the answer is trying to identify these people before the fly off the handle and get them the help they need. +1. Most states with conceal and carry laws are very very strict. I live in one of the bluest states in this country, and conceal and carry is allowed with a permit. Go after the offender, not guns. ____________ -Dave #2 3.2.0-33
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10555 Credit: 5,257,066 RAC: 6,047	Message 1262636 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 17:34:44 UTC
	I can't find the report but apparently when Mom was told, she said you have the right person. So someone knew he was a fruitcake. Now the real headline should be why was a known fruitcake out on the street. Why aren't shrinks required to report fruitcakes to the ATF so they can't buy guns? A gun isn't the problem, a fruitcake on the loose is the problem. I'd rather pay tax dollars to put a fruitcake in a rubber room than a bunch of medical trauma bills. This is the real issue America won't deal with. Fruitcakes have the right to wander around untreated; time bombs waiting to go off. Now as to a concealed firearm, last time I checked it was rather hard to conceal a shotgun and a rifle. Never mind body armor, gas mask and chemical weapons. We are just really lucky it was tear gas and not nerve gas. The guy had the schooling to make nerve gas if the reports are right. Reports were he was openly carrying. A fruitcake on the loose is the problem here. And yes I'm mad. Mad at feel goods who think fruitcake rights are more important than public safety. Focus. A fruitcake on the loose is the problem here. ____________
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Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21680 Credit: 2,443,662 RAC: 0	Message 1262675 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 18:43:57 UTC - in response to Message 1262523.
	Its time for the Americans to reform their gun laws. If you allow everybody in civilian society to carry guns, then you will have war in the civilian community. John. There's absolute ignorance talking. Gun laws do absolutely nothing to keep guns out of the hands of criminals who really want them. I doubt the gunman had a permit for his AR-15. Nor did he have permits to boobytrap his apartment with explosives. And you think some words added to the criminal code would've have stopped this? Absolute ignorance. Evil is evil and this guy is it. I hope Colorado has the death penalty. ____________
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,675,896 RAC: 7,791	Message 1262676 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 18:44:19 UTC - in response to Message 1262636.
	Police said they recovered a Glock pistol, one Remington shotgun, and one Smith and Wesson AR-15 Type assault weapon in the theater. They found another Glock pistol in the suspect’s car, Oates said. He was wearing full body armor. I am guessing that he was able to gain entrance because folks thought he was part of the premier showing effects. Note, there is apparently no medical history to indicate this guy was going to do this sort of thing.
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Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21680 Credit: 2,443,662 RAC: 0	Message 1262677 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 18:47:28 UTC
	All the news headlines are up on Drudge ____________
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1227 Credit: 3,500,304 RAC: 927	Message 1262681 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 19:21:47 UTC Last modified: 20 Jul 2012, 19:27:31 UTC
	BarryAZ Arizona state legislators have tried to expand legal concealed carry to allow folks to bring these onto school campus as well COLLEGE campus's. NOT elementary or high schools... Quit doing what MSNBC does. For that matter, if you can purchase a gun, and don't care, you can conceal carry it anywhere. Of course you can. You can conceal what ever contraband you wish to conceal. But then you accept the risk of being sentenced to a federal prison. There's a reason there's a process in order to be able to carry a concealed weapon. When you go through the process, you are able to boldly proclaim to a police officer, "Why yes officer, I have a loaded concealed weapon on me. It is located ..." and not worry about being jacked up and spending time in prison. You see, as a matter of fact, you actually put the police officer in a more relaxed state when you present your driver's license AND a concealed carry permit. This immediately demonstrates to the police officer that you are not a convicted felon and you have had some training on how to safely handle a weapon. From his perspective, chances are pretty low that you are going to pull your weapon and point it at him over his claim that you were doing more than 10% over the speed limit. Racheal Maddow had a cow when she found out that "in Texas," a concealed hand gun license is considered an acceptable form of identification when you go to the voting polls. From the way she presented this, it means only crazed murderous outlaws will be allowed to vote if the "voter ID" law is ever able to make it past the law suits. In reality, showing a concealed hand gun license means you are probably more qualified to vote than just about any other form of government issued identification card. And no, while there will be an outcry about gun control -- nothing will happen. Well, then, thank GOD. Because if you want to be consistent, then we'll have to outlaw hammers and drills also. Because hammers and drills are tools, which if used improperly, also cause identically the same kind of damage. In order to show I'm here for the genuine exchange of information in the hopes of enlightening us all I must thank you Ex, Gary and misfit for pointing to what the real issue is. Unfortunately, there will always be some one who smokes "bath salts" and does something absolutely insane. Concealed weapon (real video) Concealed weapon humor If a bad guy knows there's a low chance of concealed weapons in the area, the better he'll feel about getting away. If a bad guy believes there's a chance of concealed weapons in the area, he'll think twice and probably make the right choice. Too bad nobody in the theater was legally carrying. He most likely could have reduced the damage even if all he did was fire and miss. As soon as James Holmes (neuroscience Ph.D. student) realized someone was shooting back, he probably would have fled. But we'll never know.
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 12012 Credit: 19,597,340 RAC: 44,051	Message 1262682 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 19:29:02 UTC - in response to Message 1262681.
	In order to show I'm here for the genuine exchange of information in the hopes of enlightening us all I must thank you Ex, Gary and misfit for pointing to what the real issue is. Unfortunately, there will always be some one who smokes "bath salts" and does something absolutely insane. What? No kudos for the "guy with no name and currently no afterlife"? I feel left out being that I was the first one to say that guns aren't the problem.
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1227 Credit: 3,500,304 RAC: 927	Message 1262683 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 19:32:05 UTC - in response to Message 1262682.
	In order to show I'm here for the genuine exchange of information in the hopes of enlightening us all I must thank you Ex, Gary and misfit for pointing to what the real issue is. Unfortunately, there will always be some one who smokes "bath salts" and does something absolutely insane. What? No kudos for the "guy with no name and currently no afterlife"? I feel left out being that I was the first one to say that guns aren't the problem. Sorry, a solemn thank you is in order. Thank you, also, poster with no name and currently no after... well, I won't say it here.
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Misfit Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21680 Credit: 2,443,662 RAC: 0	Message 1262686 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 19:44:14 UTC - in response to Message 1262682.
	In order to show I'm here for the genuine exchange of information in the hopes of enlightening us all I must thank you Ex, Gary and misfit for pointing to what the real issue is. Unfortunately, there will always be some one who smokes "bath salts" and does something absolutely insane. What? No kudos for the "guy with no name and currently no afterlife"? I feel left out being that I was the first one to say that guns aren't the problem. I'm pretty sure he did, it was just blank. ____________
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 12012 Credit: 19,597,340 RAC: 44,051	Message 1262689 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 19:52:35 UTC - in response to Message 1262686.
	In order to show I'm here for the genuine exchange of information in the hopes of enlightening us all I must thank you Ex, Gary and misfit for pointing to what the real issue is. Unfortunately, there will always be some one who smokes "bath salts" and does something absolutely insane. What? No kudos for the "guy with no name and currently no afterlife"? I feel left out being that I was the first one to say that guns aren't the problem. I'm pretty sure he did, it was just blank. :-P
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8970 Credit: 37,777,696 RAC: 42,937	Message 1262690 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 19:54:36 UTC - in response to Message 1262561. Last modified: 20 Jul 2012, 20:01:42 UTC
	Apparently, you are not familiar with the concealed carry laws here in Texas. I am. I have a card that you can only get after being finger printed, being photographed, being back ground checked, and taking 8 hours of classroom training. True, you cannot carry a concealed gun into some areas. Most placed you can, though. Good luck getting anything past the gun nuts...err NRA or the conservatives that are supported by them. Honestly, we sell guns to anyone. Perhaps forcing people into seminars and training could weed out a few that appear a bit loco. Or even a psych eval before a purchase. It's pretty clear that its so easy to buy guns and ship them to Mexico that any nut in the US could easily obtain a gun and fire at will in multiple theaters if they wanted. Oh and about concealed handgun laws. How about NO!!!! One thing we just don't need is a crapload of vigilantes running around. And BTW you can't take that concealed gun into virtually any establishment. Meaning you get to leave it in your (most likely) truck when you go ino the 7-11, the Dr's office, a movie, grocery shopping, a restaurant, or even get your hair cut. It seems that this law is a pointless effort by gun nuts to be able to brandish weapons in public an nothing more. This current incident is just another episode of BUT I HAVE MY SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS. Screw that. Amendments have been repealed perhaps its about time we get rid if this one I am very familiar with the law and nothing you said differs with what I said. Any fool can sit through a whole 8 hours of training and still be nuts. I'd find it difficult to go anywhere where you could actually carry a concealed weapon in Texas. No hospital, clinic, Mall, gov't office(local state and federal), most if not all restaurants, convenience stores, super markets, department stores, gas stations all have signs posted that concealed weapons are not allowed on the premises. Doing so will get you arrested. Seems you'd actually have to search for a place that you could wear a concealed weapon other than a shooting range, your residence, your vehicle, or your local militia barracks/End of the world cult compound. In the off chance you find a place mentioned above that doesn't have the placard then the facility is either new and/or has neglected to post their sign in a timely manner ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
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Guy Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1227 Credit: 3,500,304 RAC: 927	Message 1262709 - Posted: 20 Jul 2012, 21:24:28 UTC
	skildude I'd find it difficult to go anywhere where you could actually carry a concealed weapon in Texas Maybe in your part of Texas... Like probably downtown <name a large crowded metropolitan area in Texas>. It's hard to find a place where I can't carry in my part of Texas. And by the way, I don't know where you got your list, but according to Texas state law: school or educational institution polling place on the day of an election government court or offices utilized by the court racetrack secured area of an airport within 1,000 feet of Texas Department of Criminal Justice Any place whose business is 51% or more to serve alcohol for consumption on those premises high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event correctional facility nursing home amusement park place of religious worship And any place conspicuously displaying the legally defined placard saying no weapons allowed It's a good thing for me to review this list occasionally. Thank you.
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