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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22775 Credit: 4,524,121 RAC: 5,694	Message 1261489 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 10:44:18 UTC
	I do believe some Native Americans have in their legends a long journey over ice. I'll see if I can track that back down. BTW: 12,000, or 17,000, or 30,000-these still fit "created them thousands of years ago." Sarge was correct. Land Bridge Three waves
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1261544 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 14:43:09 UTC Last modified: 17 Jul 2012, 14:52:57 UTC
	Yes, the good old "land bridge" across Siberia theory.....LOL I can't help laughing every time i hear the evolutionists with the land bridge theory. You just got to be really gullible to swallow that one! If i'm given the choice between the Darwinian "Siberian land bridge" theory, verses the "Aliens in UFO's creating us" theory, the Aliens win out every time. No matter how ridiculous the Alien theory is, primitive men, women and children slowly crossing Siberia is completely outrageous! You know the evolutionists could always try convincing people that ancient stone age men swam across the Atlantic! People might actually believe that one! John :) ____________
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,464,997 RAC: 13,352	Message 1261586 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 21:44:58 UTC
	Sorry Chris, looks like Johnney has come up with a seriously thread killer response...
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1068 Credit: 2,010,413 RAC: 2,576	Message 1261592 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 21:51:03 UTC - in response to Message 1261544.
	Yes, the good old "land bridge" across Siberia theory.....LOL I can't help laughing every time i hear the evolutionists with the land bridge theory. You just got to be really gullible to swallow that one! If i'm given the choice between the Darwinian "Siberian land bridge" theory, verses the "Aliens in UFO's creating us" theory, the Aliens win out every time. No matter how ridiculous the Alien theory is, primitive men, women and children slowly crossing Siberia is completely outrageous! You know the evolutionists could always try convincing people that ancient stone age men swam across the Atlantic! People might actually believe that one! John :) John, so how did the early people get to the Americas? Were they teleported? ____________
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1301 Credit: 2,386,969 RAC: 3,247	Message 1261634 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 0:41:30 UTC
	It was Ice. Atlantic Ice. During Last Ice Age, 20,000+ years ago, Europeans in boats, Fishing along the Ice Edge, made it to The East Coast. Fishing as they went and staying Onshore during The Long Trip. Many of them were banned from Their Tribes and Set Off West to New Lands. They made it to the Lower 48 before The Siberians. Most Siberian and European "Indians" died when A Meteor hit the Ice Sheet around the Great Lakes region 'bout 13,000 years ago. The resultant Shock Wave, Heat Blast and Massive Floodings took out most Large Animals and most Humans. Afterwards, mostly Siberian "Indian" decendents repopulated The "US". No Panspermia Aliens were Involved. FireTook'EmOutThenAndWillLaterFourthAngel ____________
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,232,950 RAC: 1,768	Message 1261640 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 0:50:01 UTC - in response to Message 1261489.
	I do believe some Native Americans have in their legends a long journey over ice. I'll see if I can track that back down. BTW: 12,000, or 17,000, or 30,000-these still fit "created them thousands of years ago." Sarge was correct. Land Bridge Three waves My point was not that this is how it happened. It is a theory that has been proposed and a lot of people accept. John: 1) The evolutionists? Sorry, I am pretty sure you're going up against anthropologists, not evolutionists. 2) You essentially stated we should pay attention to the oral traditions of the Native Americans. 3) Yes, some of their oral traditions state for as long as they have existed, they have existed on the American continents. This was bolstered as I did some searching last night, trying to track the other thing I thought I'd recently read, and this is the most important point: 4) I believe I recently read that some of the oral traditions indicate a migration over ice or water. That in fact some do not believe there were always here. If I cannot track this down soon, I will speak to my Cherokee acquaintance about different belief systems amongst Native Americans. Also, just as someone can give reasons why the idea that The Bering Land Strait was crossed may need to be suspect, so too the counterargument and underlying agenda may be regarded with skepticism.
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,232,950 RAC: 1,768	Message 1261645 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 1:00:28 UTC - in response to Message 1261634.
	It was Ice. Atlantic Ice. During Last Ice Age, 20,000+ years ago, Europeans in boats, Fishing along the Ice Edge, made it to The East Coast. Fishing as they went and staying Onshore during The Long Trip. Many of them were banned from Their Tribes and Set Off West to New Lands. They made it to the Lower 48 before The Siberians. Most Siberian and European "Indians" died when A Meteor hit the Ice Sheet around the Great Lakes region 'bout 13,000 years ago. The resultant Shock Wave, Heat Blast and Massive Floodings took out most Large Animals and most Humans. Afterwards, mostly Siberian "Indian" decendents repopulated The "US". Have also heard this, and an attempt to refute that theory from 2006.
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,464,997 RAC: 13,352	Message 1261647 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 1:04:27 UTC
	So here is a throwback to American history from about 60 years ago -- only this is going on now: http://www.hollandsentinel.com/community/blogs/applesauce/x345283526/Michele-Bachmann-says-the-Muslim-Brotherhood-has-infiltrated-the-U-S-government
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1261652 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 1:54:37 UTC Last modified: 18 Jul 2012, 1:55:32 UTC
	Ok guys, Lets just list out all the possibilities here; 1. Native Americans, who in theory were originally Asian, slowly crossed the frozen Siberian Bering Straits to get to north America. And this could only have happened during the last ice age. 2. Maybe they sailed in boats from Europe thousands of years ago and we just are not giving them credit for this. But its possible! 3. Human genetic engineers from another planet came here to Earth and "created" them in North America. Now being honest and completely impartial here, there is serious problems with all the theories, even the alien genetic engineering theory. None of the theories are as straight forward as they look at first glance. There are problems with all the theories. John. ____________
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,117,568 RAC: 55,491	Message 1261653 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 1:58:48 UTC - in response to Message 1261652.
	Ok guys, Lets just list out all the possibilities here; 1. Native Americans, who in theory were originally Asian, slowly crossed the frozen Siberian Bering Straits to get to north America. And this could only have happened during the last ice age. 2. Maybe they sailed in boats from Europe thousands of years ago and we just are not giving them credit for this. But its possible! 3. Human genetic engineers from another planet came here to Earth and "created" them in North America. Now being honest and completely impartial here, there is serious problems with all the theories, even the alien genetic engineering theory. None of the theories are as straight forward as they look at first glance. There are problems with all the theories. John. Except that the first two seem to have observable evidence that has been linked for you.
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1301 Credit: 2,386,969 RAC: 3,247	Message 1261656 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 2:57:32 UTC
	Maybe they sailed in boats from Europe thousands of years ago and we just are not giving them credit They didn't jump in a ship and set sail to discover a New Land. Along an Ocean Ice Sheet is a veritable Food Factory. Trying to Survive, these people went along, possibly for years and years and years, until The Great American East Coast said, "Hello Fur Wearing Hairy Ones, Welcome". And this happened for 1000s of years. Same for The Pacific. Not Ice Sheet Tho. Along the Top Half of The Pacific is Another Food Factory. Much of it Kelp Forests. The People from China got in their boats, maybe they were Explorers/Adventurers, and set out North, then continued East, then South and into The Coastal Region of The Lower 48. As with The Europeans of 25 Millenia ago, these China Peoples could land anytime they wanted, due to proximity(within view of coast) anytime they wanted to. Which was probably nightly. It is not like A Great Sea Voyage. Although still with many dangers. This happened(China Boatmen) before Columbus and any other SeaFarers we consider "Discovers of The New World". But not before The Siberians long before. All this was done in small boats, very small boats. Follow The Tasties and Ye Shall Find New Homes. AndTheTastiesWereCookedWithFireFourthAngel ____________
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WinterKnight Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6819 Credit: 17,142,827 RAC: 26,252	Message 1261660 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 3:05:44 UTC
	News items for first "Europeans" to land in North America. Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago Washington Post. Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America' London Daily Telegraph
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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 1068 Credit: 2,010,413 RAC: 2,576	Message 1261668 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 3:14:56 UTC - in response to Message 1261660.
	Good stuff, much debate will follow for decades. ____________
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WinterKnight Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6819 Credit: 17,142,827 RAC: 26,252	Message 1261670 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 3:24:10 UTC - in response to Message 1261668.
	Good stuff, much debate will follow for decades. If you want more detail then see The North Atlantic ice-edge corridor: a possible Palaeolithic route to the New World (PDF)
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Johnney Guinness Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 11 Sep 06 Posts: 2944 Credit: 2,305,966 RAC: 330	Message 1261682 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 4:13:01 UTC - in response to Message 1261660. Last modified: 18 Jul 2012, 4:17:15 UTC
	News items for first "Europeans" to land in North America. Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago Washington Post. Stone-age Europeans 'were the first to set foot on North America' London Daily Telegraph Martin, Listen both those articles are very good, its very credible science, and its being debated among very credible archaeologists and anthropologist's. These are people who have studied this stuff for years and years. So to anyone reading those articles who is not an expert, you would simple have to trust what they say is correct. After all, who really has the time and the money to go and check all their facts? Thats what i was like 6 years ago. I had a general interest in science, i read the articles, and i simply "trusted" that these "experts" had the correct story. After all, if the experts found a major flaw in the theory, they would tell us, wouldn't they? Seems they would NOT tell us! WELL NOT ANY MORE!! Now i don't trust anyone!! Not since i went off myself and actually started checking the facts. At first glance, you tend to trust a scientist. But when you thoroughly check the facts yourself, its then you find the holes! Great whopping big holes in their theories!! So no, i don't trust them. And no, i don't believe them either! As a science, ancient alien theory has a 1,000 times more credibility than any of their "stories". John. ____________
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Bathybius & Eozoon Nummulosphere Bound Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 1301 Credit: 2,386,969 RAC: 3,247	Message 1261688 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 4:37:45 UTC Last modified: 18 Jul 2012, 4:38:20 UTC
	As a science, ancient alien theory has a 1,000 times more credibility than any of their "stories". Mr Guinness, Brig Klyce has been way ahead of you with Cosmic Ancestry for many years But when you thoroughly check the facts yourself, its then you find the holes! Great whopping big holes in their theories!! As many posters have said many many times Mr. Guinness: We are waiting for your Papers/Paper/Novel/Monograph/etc. to be published. Waiting. WeWillAllBurnBeforeThatHappensHeHeHeFourthAngel ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22775 Credit: 4,524,121 RAC: 5,694	Message 1261728 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 8:35:33 UTC
	Sorry Chris, looks like Johnney has come up with a seriously thread killer response... Oh I wouldn't say that! The land bridge, called Beringia, existed during the final period of the last Ice Age, about 15,000 years ago and was about 1000 miles long. The Clovis people spread quickly throughout the New World, populating most of North and South America in less than 1500 years. primitive men, women and children slowly crossing Siberia is completely outrageous! Walking at 2 mph for 4 hours a day, you could cover 1000 miles in less than 4 months !
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,232,950 RAC: 1,768	Message 1261737 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 8:48:04 UTC - in response to Message 1261728.
	Sorry Chris, looks like Johnney has come up with a seriously thread killer response... Oh I wouldn't say that! The land bridge, called Beringia, existed during the final period of the last Ice Age, about 15,000 years ago and was about 1000 miles long. The Clovis people spread quickly throughout the New World, populating most of North and South America in less than 1500 years. primitive men, women and children slowly crossing Siberia is completely outrageous! Walking at 2 mph for 4 hours a day, you could cover 1000 miles in less than 4 months ! At age 19, I was capable of walking at least 4 mph for at least 3-4 hours along the snowy eastern and norther shores of Lake Onondaga.
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22775 Credit: 4,524,121 RAC: 5,694	Message 1261742 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 9:05:47 UTC
	I was allowing for women and children Sarge, and making camp whilst the hunters went out for food. The point is that it took them 1500 years to colonise North America, so a couple of years crossing a small land bridge was nothing at all in the scheme of things. We do have evidence of the existence of this bridge, and Asian Genetics in American Indians. The way that Johhney put it was making it look like thousands and thousands of men women and children had a mass walk together over decades. The migration was probably by many groups and tribes of a few dozen over a couple of hundred years.
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William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 2126 Credit: 1,088,132 RAC: 145	Message 1261746 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 9:32:55 UTC - in response to Message 1261742.
	Here in the USA we have many "Indians". You can still see the Asian look in their faces, Right here in Tennessee we see evidence of these tribes having lived here kong ago. The Mississippi Indians reached Tennessee and thrived about 1200 years ago. Fossils of Asian animals have been found that date to twelve to fifteen thousand years ago in the United states.
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