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Message 1259276 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 7:22:54 UTC - in response to Message 1259266.

I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
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Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.
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Message 1259283 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 8:36:35 UTC

I sent him a link to this thread on the dev list.
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Message 1259292 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 9:11:59 UTC

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Message 1259297 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 9:38:44 UTC

On a separate note, I think the forums are responding MUCH MUCH faster than they were a few days ago....?
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Message 1259365 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 14:11:10 UTC - in response to Message 1259276.

I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
Has someone alerted Mr DA to this thread?

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I leave it as an exercise to find his e-mail addy on the staff page.

Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.

If he read the book on UI design, he would see what he did wrong ...
What is needed is a tick box for what device/connection you are reading on, desktop w/ high speed, desktop on dialup, mobile platform ... Or maybe even better have different addresses to come into the forum software that sets appropriate defaults. Of course offer an advanced settings that exposes all the switches so a user can set his experience as he chooses.

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Message 1259378 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 14:40:38 UTC

Well I also posted in the latest Technical thread(Jun20), one person responded Mobile users, mobile users, like We(PC/Mac/Linux users) crunch, a lot, what do they do? Their mobiles don't crunch, the batteries won't take it. If they want some sort of switch that would reformat the screen for mobile users vs desktop users, ok, but this utter drek? NO, NO, NO...
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Message 1259390 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:08:52 UTC - in response to Message 1259132.

The way the preference was implemented previously, if you hadn't visited the forums in a week and a particular post had 100 new entries, even if you had the "display only X" set to 35, you would still have to wait for the entire page to load because it would still show all 100 new posts.

I actually liked that feature. Every now and then some thread in Number Crunching would grow over night with more new posts than I had set the display only X setting.

Clicking the Show all posts or whatever it is called forgets which ones I had not read previously so that was inconvenient if I did want to read all the new posts.


Yes, I'm aware of the usefulness of the feature. I mentioned the number 35 specifically because that is what I had my preference set to.

With this change, people on slow mobile connections can at least change the number to something meaningful and only have to load X many posts per page without having to wait forever.

There is easy workaround for that. Just open a new tab for each thread you want to read. Threads will then load nicely in background. I'm doing that right now even though my Internet connection is far from slow.


Have you actually tried to browse the forums on your phone? My home internet has been out for two days and it is the only way I have been able to reach the forums. Your suggestion is not a workable solution.

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Message 1259396 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:15:09 UTC - in response to Message 1259378.

Well I also posted in the latest Technical thread(Jun20), one person responded Mobile users, mobile users, like We(PC/Mac/Linux users) crunch, a lot, what do they do? Their mobiles don't crunch, the batteries won't take it. If they want some sort of switch that would reformat the screen for mobile users vs desktop users, ok, but this utter drek? NO, NO, NO...


It isn't about whether the mobile device crunches, it is about forum accessibility from any device.

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Message 1259403 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:33:14 UTC - in response to Message 1259365.

I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
Has someone alerted Mr DA to this thread?

Feel free to PM him.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=432107
Or on BOINC
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=138

I leave it as an exercise to find his e-mail addy on the staff page.

Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.

If he read the book on UI design, he would see what he did wrong ...
What is needed is a tick box for what device/connection you are reading on, desktop w/ high speed, desktop on dialup, mobile platform ... Or maybe even better have different addresses to come into the forum software that sets appropriate defaults. Of course offer an advanced settings that exposes all the switches so a user can set his experience as he chooses.

In order to accommodate users with intermittent/slow connections adding an option "display threads as pages" or something to that effect would have been a much more elegant solution.

As an end user. I get the feeling that things are not about giving users choices or making things easier to use. A direction is selected and they continue on that path no matter what. Sort of "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead".

I wonder what the other project admins will think about this change & if it will effect their decision to upgrade their software in the future.
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Message 1259410 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:36:52 UTC - in response to Message 1259403.

I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
Has someone alerted Mr DA to this thread?

Feel free to PM him.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=432107
Or on BOINC
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=138

I leave it as an exercise to find his e-mail addy on the staff page.

Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.

If he read the book on UI design, he would see what he did wrong ...
What is needed is a tick box for what device/connection you are reading on, desktop w/ high speed, desktop on dialup, mobile platform ... Or maybe even better have different addresses to come into the forum software that sets appropriate defaults. Of course offer an advanced settings that exposes all the switches so a user can set his experience as he chooses.

In order to accommodate users with intermittent/slow connections adding an option "display threads as pages" or something to that effect would have been a much more elegant solution.

As an end user. I get the feeling that things are not about giving users choices or making things easier to use. A direction is selected and they continue on that path no matter what. Sort of "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead".

I wonder what the other project admins will think about this change & if it will effect their decision to upgrade their software in the future.

My thought is their wanting to bend over and cater to one crowd and don't know how to do this the right way, as You said, so We get the sledge hammer or maybe the Shaft.
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Message 1259412 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:37:59 UTC - in response to Message 1259390.

The way the preference was implemented previously, if you hadn't visited the forums in a week and a particular post had 100 new entries, even if you had the "display only X" set to 35, you would still have to wait for the entire page to load because it would still show all 100 new posts.

I actually liked that feature. Every now and then some thread in Number Crunching would grow over night with more new posts than I had set the display only X setting.

Clicking the Show all posts or whatever it is called forgets which ones I had not read previously so that was inconvenient if I did want to read all the new posts.


Yes, I'm aware of the usefulness of the feature. I mentioned the number 35 specifically because that is what I had my preference set to.

With this change, people on slow mobile connections can at least change the number to something meaningful and only have to load X many posts per page without having to wait forever.

There is easy workaround for that. Just open a new tab for each thread you want to read. Threads will then load nicely in background. I'm doing that right now even though my Internet connection is far from slow.


Have you actually tried to browse the forums on your phone? My home internet has been out for two days and it is the only way I have been able to reach the forums. Your suggestion is not a workable solution.


My phones browser doesn't support tabs either. Which I normally use when reading the forums.

I have used my phone to read things before and didn't have any issues, but t-mobile does seems to have good coverage in my area. Also my phone has an actually keyboard so it makes typing quite a lot easier for me.
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Message 1259417 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:42:03 UTC - in response to Message 1259412.

The way the preference was implemented previously, if you hadn't visited the forums in a week and a particular post had 100 new entries, even if you had the "display only X" set to 35, you would still have to wait for the entire page to load because it would still show all 100 new posts.

I actually liked that feature. Every now and then some thread in Number Crunching would grow over night with more new posts than I had set the display only X setting.

Clicking the Show all posts or whatever it is called forgets which ones I had not read previously so that was inconvenient if I did want to read all the new posts.


Yes, I'm aware of the usefulness of the feature. I mentioned the number 35 specifically because that is what I had my preference set to.

With this change, people on slow mobile connections can at least change the number to something meaningful and only have to load X many posts per page without having to wait forever.

There is easy workaround for that. Just open a new tab for each thread you want to read. Threads will then load nicely in background. I'm doing that right now even though my Internet connection is far from slow.


Have you actually tried to browse the forums on your phone? My home internet has been out for two days and it is the only way I have been able to reach the forums. Your suggestion is not a workable solution.


My phones browser doesn't support tabs either. Which I normally use when reading the forums.

I have used my phone to read things before and didn't have any issues, but t-mobile does seems to have good coverage in my area. Also my phone has an actually keyboard so it makes typing quite a lot easier for me.


I have Sprint, which is supposed to have good coverage, but I lose connection while sitting in my house all the time. Trying to load nearly any web page is a great exercise in my patience.

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Message 1259419 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 1259410.

I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
Has someone alerted Mr DA to this thread?

Feel free to PM him.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=432107
Or on BOINC
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=138

I leave it as an exercise to find his e-mail addy on the staff page.

Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.

If he read the book on UI design, he would see what he did wrong ...
What is needed is a tick box for what device/connection you are reading on, desktop w/ high speed, desktop on dialup, mobile platform ... Or maybe even better have different addresses to come into the forum software that sets appropriate defaults. Of course offer an advanced settings that exposes all the switches so a user can set his experience as he chooses.

In order to accommodate users with intermittent/slow connections adding an option "display threads as pages" or something to that effect would have been a much more elegant solution.

As an end user. I get the feeling that things are not about giving users choices or making things easier to use. A direction is selected and they continue on that path no matter what. Sort of "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead".

I wonder what the other project admins will think about this change & if it will effect their decision to upgrade their software in the future.

My thought is their wanting to bend over and cater to one crowd and don't know how to do this the right way, as You said, so We get the sledge hammer or maybe the Shaft.


Why is implementing a single change "bending over and catering"? Change is good. The only way to improve things is to make changes to them, whether they're broken or not.

Sure, there's better ways to implement and test changes, but come on, it wasn't that big of a deal.

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Message 1259423 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 15:57:36 UTC - in response to Message 1259419.
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I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
Has someone alerted Mr DA to this thread?

Feel free to PM him.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=432107
Or on BOINC
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=138

I leave it as an exercise to find his e-mail addy on the staff page.

Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.

If he read the book on UI design, he would see what he did wrong ...
What is needed is a tick box for what device/connection you are reading on, desktop w/ high speed, desktop on dialup, mobile platform ... Or maybe even better have different addresses to come into the forum software that sets appropriate defaults. Of course offer an advanced settings that exposes all the switches so a user can set his experience as he chooses.

In order to accommodate users with intermittent/slow connections adding an option "display threads as pages" or something to that effect would have been a much more elegant solution.

As an end user. I get the feeling that things are not about giving users choices or making things easier to use. A direction is selected and they continue on that path no matter what. Sort of "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead".

I wonder what the other project admins will think about this change & if it will effect their decision to upgrade their software in the future.

My thought is their wanting to bend over and cater to one crowd and don't know how to do this the right way, as You said, so We get the sledge hammer or maybe the Shaft.


Why is implementing a single change "bending over and catering"? Change is good. The only way to improve things is to make changes to them, whether they're broken or not.

Sure, there's better ways to implement and test changes, but come on, it wasn't that big of a deal.

I liked the way the forum was before, this abomination says the current page with the newest inputs is Page 1, not 162 or whatever... Other forums don't do this, there the 1st page posted to, is the 1st page, not #162 or so...
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Message 1259426 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:02:39 UTC - in response to Message 1259423.

I don't like this at all. Nothing was broken before. I like to see the original OPs post and just read the posts I haven't looked at before.
This doesn't help us Mods one bit.
Has someone alerted Mr DA to this thread?

Feel free to PM him.
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=432107
Or on BOINC
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/show_user.php?userid=138

I leave it as an exercise to find his e-mail addy on the staff page.

Gary he makes changes. Does he read our input? That was my question.
As long as I don't see him posting here, I take the answer as NO.

If he read the book on UI design, he would see what he did wrong ...
What is needed is a tick box for what device/connection you are reading on, desktop w/ high speed, desktop on dialup, mobile platform ... Or maybe even better have different addresses to come into the forum software that sets appropriate defaults. Of course offer an advanced settings that exposes all the switches so a user can set his experience as he chooses.

In order to accommodate users with intermittent/slow connections adding an option "display threads as pages" or something to that effect would have been a much more elegant solution.

As an end user. I get the feeling that things are not about giving users choices or making things easier to use. A direction is selected and they continue on that path no matter what. Sort of "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead".

I wonder what the other project admins will think about this change & if it will effect their decision to upgrade their software in the future.

My thought is their wanting to bend over and cater to one crowd and don't know how to do this the right way, as You said, so We get the sledge hammer or maybe the Shaft.


Why is implementing a single change "bending over and catering"? Change is good. The only way to improve things is to make changes to them, whether they're broken or not.

Sure, there's better ways to implement and test changes, but come on, it wasn't that big of a deal.

I liked the way the forum was before, this abomination says the current page with the newest inputs is Page 1, not 162 or whatever... Other forums don't do this, there the 1st page posted to, is the 1st page, not #162 or so...


Other forums don't do a lot of things, and some do more than these forums do. In fact, I like some of the features of other forums that I visit and wish they'd be implemented here, but for various reasons would likely never get added.

I'm sure you liked it the way it was before, but there's no reason to over-react to the minimal changes that have been made. Fine, you don't like it. Calling it "drek", an "abomination", or saying that you're getting the "shaft", are all examples of over-reacting. Do you get all bent out of shape when someone moves your coffee cup handle 12 degrees too?

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Message 1259429 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:05:09 UTC

My personal opinion is that deep quoting (as exhibited by Vic, blank and a few others) is a grade one pain, and should be banned on all forum.
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Message 1259438 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:19:44 UTC - in response to Message 1259426.

On My coffee cup, Grace couldn't move it if She tried, I'm ambidextrous, I discovered that in the Army at the Rifle range, I was a qualified marksman, If it moved, all I needed was 1 shot to knock it down, if it was within 600m, from 600-1200m not so much.
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Message 1259441 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:23:17 UTC - in response to Message 1259429.

My personal opinion is that deep quoting (as exhibited by Vic, blank and a few others) is a grade one pain, and should be banned on all forum.


I think I have my forum settings set to cut them off at 2 or 3 deep.
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Message 1259443 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:25:12 UTC - in response to Message 1259438.

Just as I figured... you'd give a literal answer to a rhetorical question given to make a point.

Whatever. Have fun ranting and raving about it. I should just be glad Mark Sattler isn't here to accuse me of trolling again simply because I see things differently and I try to argue my view. I'll just go back into my corner and shut up now.

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Message 1259444 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:25:52 UTC - in response to Message 1259429.

My personal opinion is that deep quoting (as exhibited by Vic, blank and a few others) is a grade one pain, and should be banned on all forum.

So post length enforcement? Some forums have that.

One option is having a selection for the user to specify n lines per post. With a "click to read more" option.

Another option could be a check box for "Don't display quotes in posts"
With that I imagine some would want options to not display [code] and [pre] text as well.

I personally liked how things were displayed before. So if I was away for a few days and a thread had a lot of posts. I would see them all when I returned. I found that much more user friendly than pages. Which are the norm across most forums I have used.

If we have to live with pages then hopefully they will fix the other features which have been broken by this implementation.
Such as:
    "Jump to first new post in thread automatically"
    The first page is opened instead of directing the user to the page with the last post since they read the thread.


    "This post is not shown because the sender is on your 'ignore' list. Click here to view this post".
    Selecting click here takes the user to the first page of the thread & once they return to the page with the hidden post it is still hidden.


    Addition of an option "See whole thread when quoting"


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