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Message 1261321 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 23:44:47 UTC
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So Man suddenly became intelligent some 100,000 years ago.

Why? Because lightning either hit a tree the stone age man was standing at and possibly even burnt his feet. Or maybe it showed him that fire could create heat and that meat could be fried (but not necessarily burnt all the time) and thereby be eaten in a more comfortable and tasteful matter at the dinner.

Remember we have mostly been able to reproduce our species. This has not always been accompanied by a corresponding way or level of intelligence. We do not resemble the apes or chimpanzees anymore because our brains has made us appear different, both because of our surroundings and living environment as well as events and circumstances which happens as we live our lives.

If you are supposed to be a religious person, you are assumed to be intelligent because this was something which God made happen. No need to believe in evolution theory (including dinosaurs), because everything which happened before the birth of Jesus becomes irrelevant or invalid.

Therefore, no need to believe in the creation of the Universe either, which was supposed to have happened some 13,8 billion years ago. Even after such a long time has passed since its creation, we do not yet have any proof that it was "intelligently" made or crafted (by someone).

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Message 1261323 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 23:51:45 UTC - in response to Message 1261310.

John,

There is proof that man as we are today happened around 100,000 years ago. In the place you speak of for sure.

There is proof right under my feet. As a child Id walk creek beds and find arrowheads over 5,000 years old. Stone tools and such. North American Indians.

I do firmly agree with you that it was not luck that we came into being!!!

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What proof? Show me the proof to say that us, modern intelligent pyramid building human beings were here 100,000 years ago? Show me scientific proof! Prove that it wasn't a species that was one of God's genetic experiments.

As for the Native American Indians, with the stone tools, ask them how they got there! They will tell you that "The Creator" created them thousands of years ago. They will tell you that the sky Gods came down from the sky and created them. The Indians know exactly where they came from! They know better than any western culture or white European man.

John.


9100 to 8850 BCE

Folsom and Clovis man [DNA proof], east of Rockies, but not very dang far east.

There are burial grounds about a 1,000 years old not too far away from my home town of Neoga Il. And the name Neoga means running or jumping dear, depending...

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Message 1261325 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 23:55:23 UTC - in response to Message 1261321.
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So Man suddenly became intelligent some 100,000 years ago.

Why? Because lightning either hit a tree the stone age man was standing at and possibly even burnt his feet. Or maybe it showed him that fire could create heat and that meat could be fried (but not necessarily burnt all the time) and thereby be eaten in a more comfortable and tasteful matter at the dinner.

Remember we have mostly been able to reproduce our species. This has not always been accompanied by a corresponding way or level of intelligence. We do not resemble the apes or chimpanzees anymore because our brains has made us appear different, both because of our surroundings and living environment as well as events and circumstances which happens as we live our lives.

If you are supposed to be a religious person, you are assumed to be intelligent because this was something which God made happen. No need to believe in evolution theory (including dinosaurs), because everything which happened before the birth of Jesus becomes irrelevant or invalid.

Therefore, no need to believe in the creation of the Universe either, which was supposed to have happened some 13,8 billion years ago. Even after such a long time has passed since its creation, we do not yet have any proof that it was "intelligently" made or crafted (by someone).


I can't and don't deny Curie point. Yet, I have a deep Faith in God and believe in Intelligent Design. There are cycles in life. Like the Maya and their calendar with short and long cycles so goes life. Some cycles are very, very short. Some are very long. In my thoughts there are cycles that are very, very much longer then the calendar the Maya made, and much shorter. And the Designer is in control of all of them.

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Message 1261337 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 0:38:03 UTC - in response to Message 1261323.

9100 to 8850 BCE

Folsom and Clovis man [DNA proof], east of Rockies, but not very dang far east.

There are burial grounds about a 1,000 years old not too far away from my home town of Neoga Il. And the name Neoga means running or jumping dear, depending...


Robert,
I read about the Clovis Culture; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture

I don't know, i haven't studied them, so i don't know much about these people.

John.

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Message 1261350 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 1:41:19 UTC - in response to Message 1261337.
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9100 to 8850 BCE

Folsom and Clovis man [DNA proof], east of Rockies, but not very dang far east.

There are burial grounds about a 1,000 years old not too far away from my home town of Neoga Il. And the name Neoga means running or jumping dear, depending...


Robert,
I read about the Clovis Culture; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture

I don't know, i haven't studied them, so i don't know much about these people.

John.


John,

They are human, just like you and I.

From this point we can jump back some 90,000 years to Iraq and the "The Cradle of Civilization", Fertile Crescent. Add the math of love making and mortality rate and we come up to about 7 billion humans we have now. It fits, sorta, kinda, and I admit it could be off one way or the other but it's a starting point...

Look, your theory is fine with me. I have no problem with it. It seems to me it's a twist on Young Earthers. They being a strict interpation of the Bible and the human race is not over 6,000 years, like you. You just have a different twist as to who was the creator.

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This wouldn't hurt either.

Im right with you on some parts of what you believe. On the other hand I don't believe lockstep in the links either. 50 years seems like a very, very short time for the drift of the earths plates. But, Im open minded enough to accept it as a maybe and something to think about...

Im open minded enough to keep listening to you too. I'll ask questions!

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Message 1261352 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 1:47:16 UTC

So your evidence is an ID website. How nice to have your koolaid spoonfed to you
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Message 1261353 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 1:52:20 UTC
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On July 2 2012 I posted, "I still feel that ID should form a "God" team with Johnney Guinness." I saw this coming. This is producing most excellent results.
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Message 1261359 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 2:55:04 UTC

Robert,
I have been trying to "teach" you things. But its not really working.

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Message 1261369 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 3:18:32 UTC - in response to Message 1261310.
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As for the Native American Indians, with the stone tools, ask them how they got there! They will tell you that "The Creator" created them thousands of years ago. They will tell you that the sky Gods came down from the sky and created them. The Indians know exactly where they came from! They know better than any western culture or white European man.
John.


I do believe some Native Americans have in their legends a long journey over ice. I'll see if I can track that back down.
BTW: 12,000, or 17,000, or 30,000-these still fit "created them thousands of years ago."

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Message 1261371 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 3:36:55 UTC - in response to Message 1261297.
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Ozzfan,
In a message where we are discussing who God is, its nice of you to find a flaw in my knowledge of computer processors. Thanks for that my friend. If i ever have holes in the plumbing in my house, i will know where i can find a man who is good at finding holes. Thanks Ozzfan.


Johnney, no problem. I'm glad that in a thread about God you can bring up computer processors and plumbing, but I'll return the favor and look to you if I ever need my septic cleaned out as you seem pretty good at shoveling it around. Your welcome Johnney.

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Message 1261374 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 4:31:24 UTC - in response to Message 1261359.

Robert,
I have been trying to "teach" you things. But its not really working.

John.



John,

I believe that you are telling me that Christ, Budda, Muhammad, and the rest where scientist that Created humans some 6000 years ago. Correct?

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Message 1261380 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 5:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1261369.

As for the Native American Indians, with the stone tools, ask them how they got there! They will tell you that "The Creator" created them thousands of years ago. They will tell you that the sky Gods came down from the sky and created them. The Indians know exactly where they came from! They know better than any western culture or white European man.
John.


I do believe some Native Americans have in their legends a long journey over ice. I'll see if I can track that back down.
BTW: 12,000, or 17,000, or 30,000-these still fit "created them thousands of years ago."



Id have to ask is legend the right word? It seems like a fact of history. History turned to legend and then myth.

Kinda sheds new light on the Bible if you ask me. If Native American Indians can pass down in oral history crossing over the ice flows from Russia to Main Land North America some 10,000 years ago; Id have to say the Bible is at least that accurate, if not more accurate.

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