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Message 1260619 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 11:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 1260614.

scholars name 4,004 BC as the date of the "creation" of human beings. I don't care what date it happened, but i was roughly around then!

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Message 1260699 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 16:39:50 UTC

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Your theory is interesting. As I have said you are free to believe as you wish. Please tell me more, like when do you think they will come back?

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Message 1260757 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 19:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 1260699.
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John,

Your theory is interesting. As I have said you are free to believe as you wish. Please tell me more, like when do you think they will come back?

Robert

Robert,
I'm finding it hard to tell what your thinking. In some ways, you sound like an old man who is set in his ways and won't concede an inch in an argument. Then in other ways, you sound open-minded. But you do sound like your very closed-minded and possibly unwilling to even listen to new theories or information. But i also sense that you are fighting to rationalise both science and religion. That is difficult Robert.

You ask, when do i think they will come back?

I don't know if your taking the pi*s or if your asking me a serious question? When do YOU think they are coming back Robert?

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Message 1260907 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 23:51:39 UTC - in response to Message 1260757.
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John,

Your theory is interesting. As I have said you are free to believe as you wish. Please tell me more, like when do you think they will come back?

Robert

Robert,
I'm finding it hard to tell what your thinking. In some ways, you sound like an old man who is set in his ways and won't concede an inch in an argument. Then in other ways, you sound open-minded. But you do sound like your very closed-minded and possibly unwilling to even listen to new theories or information. But i also sense that you are fighting to rationalise both science and religion. That is difficult Robert.

You ask, when do i think they will come back?

I don't know if your taking the pi*s or if your asking me a serious question? When do YOU think they are coming back Robert?

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[smile] Im almost 48.

Indeed I do find it hard to concede an inch. Im also set in my ways. But, Im not closed minded. I do like to think outside of the box and in a way you are. I disagree so far, but am willing to listen.

Im asking--about your theory, do you know when they are coming back? You said you have, or are, going to crack a code and therefore you might know when they are coming back. Do you know when?

I am Catholic John, and it's O.K for me to have both, if...

"John Paul II" wrote:
Science can purify religion from error and superstition. Religion can purify science from idolatry and false absolutes.


Im very open minded about this. But, there is one God and He is the Creator of everything we see. Im all for purifying religion from error and superstition, and for removing from science idolatry and false absolutes. And I have had a good start on doing that right here.

My fly is zipped---Im asking...

Indeed it is very, very hard to rationalise both science and religion. Ive got to, it's the only way things make sence to me.

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Message 1260914 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 0:19:58 UTC - in response to Message 1260907.

ID, good god man, why don't you use spell check? Sence, Common misspelling of sense.
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Message 1260927 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 0:50:46 UTC
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Robert,
God has come back. He is with us right now Robert. He never left us in the first place, he has always been with us. He is living among us right now today. But there is a catch Robert. To understand who and what God is, someone has to "teach" you. If you were raised in a Christian faith, then the school you went to when you were a child will have taught you about the bible in one particular way. But now you are an adult, you will need to be taught again.

I can teach you Robert, but it will take a long time, many years before you will understand. Its up to yourself if you want to learn something new. But it could take you years to learn. You can't Google this one and get the answer in 20 seconds. And you have to be able to learn new things, things you did not know before you met me.

Lesson number 1; Go back and read the first 3 messages i posted into this thread and tell me if you understand what i said in those messages. If there are bits you don't understand, tell me which bits. Don't bother with the other messages, just read MY first 3 posts in this thread.

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Message 1260958 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 3:46:42 UTC

But they have ALL of science, so they have the scientific stuff that we are currently just dreaming about.

After that period, from around 2100 onward, there will be no more scientists who "investigate" things to find out how they work. Because we will know how everything works

Now its our turn to be "Gods" now that we have entered the 7th day. It just goes around in circles, and time goes on and on. The created becomes the creator.


I only want The Scientific GODs to fill potholes; fix the bridges; and the dams; provide enough clean water; all that Infrastructure Stuff.

And of course, The Created Creators to provide Jobs Jobs Jobs.

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Message 1260963 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 3:59:21 UTC - in response to Message 1260927.
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Robert,
God has come back. He is with us right now Robert. He never left us in the first place, he has always been with us. He is living among us right now today. But there is a catch Robert. To understand who and what God is, someone has to "teach" you. If you were raised in a Christian faith, then the school you went to when you were a child will have taught you about the bible in one particular way. But now you are an adult, you will need to be taught again.

I can teach you Robert, but it will take a long time, many years before you will understand. Its up to yourself if you want to learn something new. But it could take you years to learn. You can't Google this one and get the answer in 20 seconds. And you have to be able to learn new things, things you did not know before you met me.

Lesson number 1; Go back and read the first 3 messages i posted into this thread and tell me if you understand what i said in those messages. If there are bits you don't understand, tell me which bits. Don't bother with the other messages, just read MY first 3 posts in this thread.

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John,

I have looked over your first three posts many times now.

1) It's the second exchange we had that you said you did not care who made the ones who created us that bothers me. It isn't logical not to ask and even more unlogical not to care. Why?

2) Nevertheless, God can take any form He wishes. Human form or otherwise. Even a burning busch. Christ [part of God] took human form through Mary, a sinless real human as all of us. Christ could heal by touch and passed that on by Faith, nothing magic about Faith a form of love. Why do you think human---form these creators?

3) If their planet was over populated why come here and make more people like themselves? Why didn't they just take over a planet [earth] and make it their own home? Unless you mean create as in the sex-act. But I warn you there is not enugh time to account for the almost 7 billion we have now. How did that happen?

John, Im only 48 and have years I think to learn. Heck, take your time.

4) Immortality? I believe that the only thing I truely own is my soul, and that is where my immortality lies. If Im to take science as a fact I take the God particle as a fact too. If I understand this correctly then as I move though linear time my [my--used losely] atoms exchange bits as I move so I cannot call even a atom as part of me because they exchange as I move. So what do I really own? I own what God has given me and that is my soul only. Everything 'within' this universe is forced to follow the laws of nature and that includes Entropy. My soul was not formed in this universe. There are many Bible quotes that confirm this and one states losely..."I knew you before you was born." Immortality, why do you seek it?

5) If we take 13.??? billion years and divide that by 7 we get something less then 2 billion years for a day in Gods time. Why do you seperate the intelligence that we are from the Creation event some 13 billion years ago?

I have many more questions but I'll stop here for now......

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Message 1260988 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 5:36:31 UTC - in response to Message 1260963.
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1) It's the second exchange we had that you said you did not care who made the ones who created us that bothers me. It isn't logical not to ask and even more unlogical not to care. Why?


Lets keep this short Robert. I care about finding out who and what "God" is. The God that is mentioned in the Christian Bible. The Christian Bible deals with events that happened from 10,000 BC through to Jesus and stuff around 150 AD.

I'm saying that that God in the Bible is a flesh and blood human being, regardless of what you think Robert! What i don't care about is who created him in the first place, lets say billions of years ago for arguments sake. In other words, i don't want to get into an argument about who created the creator himself at the origins of the universe. Its just a very long and pointless intellectual argument.

I would also like to clarify that the universe existed for a very long time before the events in the Bible took place. You could say God is around a lot longer than he cared to mention in the Bible! The Universe and the Planet Earth itself were not "created" during the Genesis events. They have always been here! What the Bible says is that God made a few modifications to the surface of the Earth, but not the whole planet itself.

2) Nevertheless, God can take any form He wishes. Human form or otherwise. Even a burning Bush. Christ [part of God] took human form through Mary, a sinless real human as all of us. Christ could heal by touch and passed that on by Faith, nothing magic about Faith a form of love. Why do you think human---form these creators?

Right Robert,
You need to get over your childish notions if you want to discuss science and learn how the world works! This is the age of science Robert, there is no more mythology, its over right here and now.

Robert just as soon as you show me scientific evidence of you yourself turning into a burning bush, then we can discuss it.

God or Jesus can NOT take on any form they like! It does not matter what the Bible says Robert. But Robert what God, Jesus or you yourself CAN do is that you can create the illusion of a person standing inside a burning bush. Yes, that is possible Robert. Its possible using science Robert. You can use scientific things, like image projection or holograms to give someone the impression that you yourself are standing inside a burning bush. The observer would never know the difference if you don't tell him the science behind the trick.

Do you understand the concept Robert? There is no such thing as magic at magic shows! A magician is effectively a person that is using some scientific trick to fool the audience to give them the impression that he is doing something amazing. But its only magic to the observer if he doesn't know how the trick works.

So from now onward Robert, your inside the magic circle. From here onward, you get to find out how the magician does the tricks! Then this will help you understand the Bible. The people in the Bible were scientists, with science that is just as advanced as the scientific things you have today. Just they did not tell us in the Bible how the tricks work!

Right now today Robert, we have doctors that cure and heal people. Its NOT magic Robert!! There is no magic in hospitals, but people get cured and healed because doctors study scientific things for many many years. There is no magic Robert, there is only people who do scientific things and don't tell you how it works! This is what miricles are in the Bible! They are scientists doing scientific things and not telling the observers how the trick worked.


3) If their planet was over populated why come here and make more people like themselves? Why didn't they just take over a planet [earth] and make it their own home? Unless you mean create as in the sex-act. But I warn you there is not enough time to account for the almost 7 billion we have now. How did that happen?

John, I'm only 48 and have years I think to learn. Heck, take your time.


Its a good question Robert,
There planet is NOT over populated, they have plenty of space for all the people. But its a bit like today here on earth. If scientists start creating genetically modified crops like GM Wheat or Barley or Corn, you get protesters who turn up and start complaining that your modifying nature. Next thing you know, the protesters are burning down your genetically modified Wheat experiments. This is a real problem for scientists.

Well exactly the same thing will happen when scientists start releasing genetically modified creatures and animals into the wild. Protesters turn up and protest that the scientists are playing God with the animals and complain that scientists are modifying God's creation. So the protesters start killing your scientific experiments, the genetically modified animals and creatures. This will also be a big problem for scientists!!

So the best thing to do is to find somewhere that there is no people to complain about your scientific creation experiments. So you go and find a planet with no people. That was the Earth roughly 10,000 years ago. But i think they got either too brave or too bold and by 4,004 BC, they decided to create us. And the Bible has the story from there onward.


4) Immortality? I believe that the only thing I truly own is my soul, and that is where my immortality lies. If I'm to take science as a fact I take the God particle as a fact too. If I understand this correctly then as I move though linear time my [my--used loosely] atoms exchange bits as I move so I cannot call even a atom as part of me because they exchange as I move. So what do I really own? I own what God has given me and that is my soul only. Everything 'within' this universe is forced to follow the laws of nature and that includes Entropy. My soul was not formed in this universe. There are many Bible quotes that confirm this and one states losely..."I knew you before you was born." Immortality, why do you seek it?

Robert,
If your going to be a Scientist, you have to think like a scientist! You have to learn new things. This is not easy Robert. As your teacher told you in school, you are completely unique. In fact Robert you are 100% unique. You Robert, the person, are written in a code called DNA, i'm sure you heard of it! Robert that is your soul! That code, the Robert DNA code is 100% unique and God gave YOU that specific code. Nobody else has your specific code.

Robert its that code that decides exactly who you are and what you are. Its that code that gives you the life in your body. And all atoms and molecules have energy, and its that energy that makes you a conscious intelligent living person Robert. Its not magic, its not mythology, there is nothing strange about it at all. Scientists today can explain the vast majority of how the human body works, right down to the atoms in your body. Your DNA code is your soul Robert! Its a bit more complex that i have just explained, but that will do for the moment. I'm going easy on you.





5) If we take 13.??? billion years and divide that by 7 we get something less then 2 billion years for a day in Gods time. Why do you separate the intelligence that we are from the Creation event some 13 billion years ago?

I have many more questions but I'll stop here for now......

Robert,
This where you get confused Robert. If you listen to me carefully here, i won't send you wrong! Robert stop mixing up the events in the Bible with events in astronomy. Thats very important! No more astronomy and cosmology when we are discussing the Bible in a scientific way.

Astronomy deals with massive time scales. The time scales in astronomy are measured in light years and billions of years. But Robert that is NOT in the the Bible. The Bible is only telling you want happened specifically to human beings. And it only deals with what happened right here on the surface of the Earth in the last 10,000 years. More specifically, the majority of the Bible only deals with what happened from 4,004 BC onward. And outer space is NOT mentioned anywhere in the Bible. And the Bible does NOT mention any Big Bang, nor does it mention 13,7 billion anything! Forget the Big Bang. You will find out in time that it never happened.

So Robert if you see TV programs that talk about astronomy and God, they have all their facts wrong. They are presenting a very twisted version of science. So no more astronomical time scales, ok! The Bible is about people, human beings, you and me. And the beautiful living creatures God created! He created every single one of them, in all their glory!

The Lord God is my Shepherd, and he leads me through the valley of darkness so that i can see the light, the good light.

John.
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Message 1261131 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 14:45:33 UTC

I have to ask. How do you compensate for neanderthall and modern humans in the same epoch of time 25,000 years ago?
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Message 1261135 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 15:13:03 UTC - in response to Message 1261131.
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I have to ask. How do you compensate for Neanderthal and modern humans in the same epoch of time 25,000 years ago?

James,
If you understand what i said in my last message, then you will have some idea of how the whole thing works. The Neanderthals were a genetic experiment, just like all the living creatures. Be very careful James who is presenting information to you!

If you read information presented to you by an "Evolutionary biologist", the information might or might not be corrupted. If he tells you that he dug up a skull of a 100,000 years old Neanderthal that was YOUR ancestor, then he is twisting the science to force it to fit.

Lets be very clear here, NOBODY, no scientist today, in any field of science, can tell you how "intelligent" a creature was by looking at its skull size!! Its like looking at a desktop computer and guessing its processor speed based on how physically large the computer is? Well nobody can tell how intelligent Neanderthals were, nobody.

There is a VERY CLEAR time line in human history, its staggeringly clear. The difference between any other species of creature and us, is that we human beings build stone buildings. There is no other creature that builds stone buildings.

So Human Beings, or clever people first appear around Mesopotamia, thats Iraq, around 10,000 years ago. And they weren't hunting and gathering anything!!! they were building Göbekli Tepe in Turkey with massive 10 tonne carved stone pillars; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe - 10,000 B.C

Before that, the other creatures were not human beings.

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Message 1261151 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 16:09:04 UTC

So youi are saying that the hominids preceding us humans were just a genetic test. And that Peking man, jave man, and any others didnt make the cut.

Im not saying im convinced but that could explain why our DNA is similar.
How ever why is chimpanze DNA also similar?
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Message 1261176 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 17:38:41 UTC - in response to Message 1261151.
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So you are saying that the hominids preceding us humans were just a genetic test. And that Peking man, jave man, and any others didnt make the cut.

Im not saying im convinced but that could explain why our DNA is similar.
How ever why is chimpanze DNA also similar?

James,
Yes. Any other, lets say upright standing human-like creature who's bones have been dug up from the earth was a genetic experiment! They were NOT human beings, they were a different species to us Homo Sapiens.

This is where you need to be very skeptical of books, TV programs and other information that tells you that "we slowly evolved" from these other species.

If i have a 6 year old Pentium 4 computer processor, it physically looks very similar to the latest Intel Xeon processor, which is more powerful. This is NOT scientific proof that computer chips "slowly evolve" by themselves. No, there is a human electronic engineer working for Intel that designed or created the new more advanced chip.

Well living creatures are the same. Lucky accidents, or genetic errors in DNA coding can, by coincidence, cause a tiny good mutation of a species. But its so rare and so unlikely, that its NOT scientific justification for saying that a giant intelligent human brain like we have just happened by accident. You are not a Lucky accident that happened by by slow evolution. It would be like saying that a Pentium 4 processor could accidentally turn into an Intel Xeon over a long period of time. You were designed by a designer, a flesh and blood human being who designed your DNA code to make your first ancestors. And your first ancestors, the human beings, appeared around 4,004 BC down around modern day Iraq. Its just like it says in the book of Genesis in the Bible.

If some evolutionist shows you pictures of 8 or 10 skulls from the last 2 million years, and says that the brain size of this creature slowly got bigger over time, then he is a liar. He's not a scientist, it means that he doesn't understand genetics! If he did understand genetics, then he would understand why it would be impossible! Just because an archaeologist or anthropologist digs stuff up from the ground, does NOT mean he is an expert in genetics!

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Message 1261189 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 17:50:30 UTC - in response to Message 1261176.
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If i have a 6 year old Pentium 4 computer processor, it physically looks very similar to the latest Intel Xeon processor, which is more powerful. This is NOT scientific proof that computer chips "slowly evolve" by themselves. No, there is a human electronic engineer working for Intel that designed or created the new more advanced chip.


There is so much flawed thinking on your behalf, I won't even bother trying to get through to you.

However, I will correct you on this technical aspect that I quoted.

Xeon CPUs are made from the same designs as their Pentium/Core cousins. The only difference between a Xeon server chip and the consumer grade chip is the microcode that allows for SMP.

My Xeon X5430 chip is the same as my girlfriend's Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 (albeit the Q9550 is clocked slightly higher). Likewise, my first generation Xeon (no model number, 3.6GHz w/HT, 2MB L2 cache) is the same chip as a Pentium 4 model 662.

The Xeon chips also undergo additional testing, but functionally they are the same; they are not inherently more powerful other than having the ability to work in tandem with other CPUs in other sockets.

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Message 1261229 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 19:34:43 UTC

If some evolutionist shows you pictures of 8 or 10 skulls from the last 2 million years, and says that the brain size of this creature slowly got bigger over time, then he is a liar. He's not a scientist, it means that he doesn't understand genetics!

Sorry Johnney, you simply cannot expect to get away with that one! That is just not on.

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Message 1261279 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 21:09:56 UTC - in response to Message 1261176.

So you are saying that the hominids preceding us humans were just a genetic test. And that Peking man, jave man, and any others didnt make the cut.

Im not saying im convinced but that could explain why our DNA is similar.
How ever why is chimpanze DNA also similar?

James,
Yes. Any other, lets say upright standing human-like creature who's bones have been dug up from the earth was a genetic experiment! They were NOT human beings, they were a different species to us Homo Sapiens.

This is where you need to be very skeptical of books, TV programs and other information that tells you that "we slowly evolved" from these other species.

If i have a 6 year old Pentium 4 computer processor, it physically looks very similar to the latest Intel Xeon processor, which is more powerful. This is NOT scientific proof that computer chips "slowly evolve" by themselves. No, there is a human electronic engineer working for Intel that designed or created the new more advanced chip.

Well living creatures are the same. Lucky accidents, or genetic errors in DNA coding can, by coincidence, cause a tiny good mutation of a species. But its so rare and so unlikely, that its NOT scientific justification for saying that a giant intelligent human brain like we have just happened by accident. You are not a Lucky accident that happened by by slow evolution. It would be like saying that a Pentium 4 processor could accidentally turn into an Intel Xeon over a long period of time. You were designed by a designer, a flesh and blood human being who designed your DNA code to make your first ancestors. And your first ancestors, the human beings, appeared around 4,004 BC down around modern day Iraq. Its just like it says in the book of Genesis in the Bible.

If some evolutionist shows you pictures of 8 or 10 skulls from the last 2 million years, and says that the brain size of this creature slowly got bigger over time, then he is a liar. He's not a scientist, it means that he doesn't understand genetics! If he did understand genetics, then he would understand why it would be impossible! Just because an archaeologist or anthropologist digs stuff up from the ground, does NOT mean he is an expert in genetics!

John.


OK, the elohim arrived 10,000 or so years ago and genetically engineered us from nothing. Begs the question, why did they do such a lousy job? Why can't I see UV and/or IR light? Why don't I have as good a sense of smell as a rhino? Why can't I hear as well as a bat?

Why do you say the current, best approximation of evolutionary biology is impossible?
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Message 1261297 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 22:10:41 UTC - in response to Message 1261229.
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I'm replying to 3 people in this message!
Ozzfan, Chris, and Bobby, in that order.

Ozzfan,
In a message where we are discussing who God is, its nice of you to find a flaw in my knowledge of computer processors. Thanks for that my friend. If i ever have holes in the plumbing in my house, i will know where i can find a man who is good at finding holes. Thanks Ozzfan.

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If some evolutionist shows you pictures of 8 or 10 skulls from the last 2 million years, and says that the brain size of this creature slowly got bigger over time, then he is a liar. He's not a scientist, it means that he doesn't understand genetics!

Sorry Johnney, you simply cannot expect to get away with that one! That is just not on.

Chris S,
Hmmmmmm..... I love a challenge Chris. Would you like to expand on that argument? Chris can you point out the flaw in what i said please? Because i know that my statement is 100% rock solid science!

I can't wait to hear what your going to say. A word of warning Chris, i have been studying genetics night and day for the last 2 years. Be careful Chris!

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OK, the Elohim arrived 10,000 or so years ago and genetically engineered us from nothing. Begs the question, why did they do such a lousy job? Why can't I see UV and/or IR light? Why don't I have as good a sense of smell as a rhino? Why can't I hear as well as a bat?

Why do you say the current, best approximation of evolutionary biology is impossible?

Bobby,
Ahhhhh.... i wouldn't call it a "lousy" job Bobby. But i would agree with you that its a very good question! A good question!

Bobby when an engineer "designs" something for a specific purpose, the engineer will spend a lot of time designing in all the things needed to make something work. But he won't add stuff that is not needed. Bobby you can't see in infra-red because you don't need to see in infra-red to function as a human being.

Bobby you don't hear ultra-sound like a Bat because you don't fly around at night through very dark caves and places where ultra-sound are needed to navigate.

And you cannot smell things like a Rhino or a Dog can smell because, as a human being, you don't need to smell all that stuff to function properly. But God, the genetic scientist who designed your ancestors, gave you a very big Brain. Bobby he gave you that big Brain so that you too could study this stuff, and understand it. So you could say, God over engineered your Brain to allow you to find out in the end who and what God really is!

Bobby a good engineer will concentrate on function! He will make sure that function always comes first. So a good engineer will not add stuff that is not really necessary unless there is some pretty or aesthetic reason to add the extra stuff.

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Message 1261302 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 22:41:24 UTC - in response to Message 1261189.

If i have a 6 year old Pentium 4 computer processor, it physically looks very similar to the latest Intel Xeon processor, which is more powerful. This is NOT scientific proof that computer chips "slowly evolve" by themselves. No, there is a human electronic engineer working for Intel that designed or created the new more advanced chip.


There is so much flawed thinking on your behalf, I won't even bother trying to get through to you.

However, I will correct you on this technical aspect that I quoted.

Xeon CPUs are made from the same designs as their Pentium/Core cousins. The only difference between a Xeon server chip and the consumer grade chip is the microcode that allows for SMP.

My Xeon X5430 chip is the same as my girlfriend's Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 (albeit the Q9550 is clocked slightly higher). Likewise, my first generation Xeon (no model number, 3.6GHz w/HT, 2MB L2 cache) is the same chip as a Pentium 4 model 662.

The Xeon chips also undergo additional testing, but functionally they are the same; they are not inherently more powerful other than having the ability to work in tandem with other CPUs in other sockets.


You have friend's? And one is a girl?

God does work in mysterious way's. It would appear He can do this too. Id reckon there is nothing that He can't do?

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Message 1261304 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 22:47:45 UTC
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John,

There is proof that man as we are today happened around 100,000 years ago. In the place you speak of for sure.

There is proof right under my feet. As a child Id walk creek beds and find arrowheads over 5,000 years old. Stone tools and such. North American Indians.

I do firmly agree with you that it was not luck that we came into being!!!

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Message 1261310 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 23:03:56 UTC - in response to Message 1261304.
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John,

There is proof that man as we are today happened around 100,000 years ago. In the place you speak of for sure.

There is proof right under my feet. As a child Id walk creek beds and find arrowheads over 5,000 years old. Stone tools and such. North American Indians.

I do firmly agree with you that it was not luck that we came into being!!!

Robert,
What proof? Show me the proof to say that us, modern intelligent pyramid building human beings were here 100,000 years ago? Show me scientific proof! Prove that it wasn't a species that was one of God's genetic experiments.

As for the Native American Indians, with the stone tools, ask them how they got there! They will tell you that "The Creator" created them thousands of years ago. They will tell you that the sky Gods came down from the sky and created them. The Indians know exactly where they came from! They know better than any western culture or white European man.

John.
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