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Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
US House holds Atty General Eric Holder in contempt me@rescam.org |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Mark, actually the TeaPublicans have held Holder in contempt since he took office. Issa wants to run a witch hunt and Holder didn't help him out. That being said, just like friendly fire incidents -- some needs to be held accountable. We do hold the military accountable for friendly fire, right? For that matter, who is getting indicted for stingers being used against the 'good guys' in Afghanistan? |
MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Bob Beckel on "the five" says it's no big deal and it doesn't matter. I caught that tonight. He is wrong. There will be Some Smite From The Right and Hell Will Break Loose. SoSaysTheFourthAngel May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
Qui-Gon Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 |
Holder is being disingenuous at best. He was willing to show Issa's committee the documents he said would fulfill the subpoena, as long as the contempt proceedings were stopped (sounds like a bribe), but when Issa didn't take the bait--and I wouldn't have agreed to that deal either, sight unseen--Holder whipped out a letter declaring that the very documents he just been willing to give were now protected by "executive privilege". If nothing is being covered up, then why take such extreme measures to protect documents that you were willing to reveal in one breath, but have to be "protected" in the next breath? |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Holder and Issa are both being disingenuous at best. Crap happens on both sides of this political equation. Makes it balance. |
Qui-Gon Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 |
Holder and Issa are both being disingenuous at best. Crap happens on both sides of this political equation. Makes it balance. I'm sure you can find examples of your claim about Holder being disingenuous, but that is not the point. In this instance, Holder was asked to explain an action by his department (sending a letter that was admitted to be false during a legitimate Congressional investigation) and he refused, relying on executive privilege . . . for documents he once was ready to reveal. One person's bad actions (Issa) do not excuse the actions of another (Holder). But besides that, this claim of privilege just smells like stonewalling. If you have nothing to hide then let the facts come out. It's a little late, after offering to reveal those documents, to then claim that they can't be revealed because they are "privileged". |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
I agree that that Holder's response looks like stonewalling. My understanding though is that in back room discussions Holder offered significantly more (but not all) the documents surrounding this mess. Issa demanded ALL of them, hence the citation. The phrase speaking truth (Issa) to Power (Holder) doesn't apply any more than the phrase 'Stand up to Bullies' applies in the reverse. Fast and Furious was a disgrace. But Issa is trying to move toward impeachment and that oversteps badly here. |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
(Reuters) - Perhaps as significant as the contempt citation Congress issued to Attorney General Eric Holder is the likelihood Republicans will also go to court to enforce a congressional demand for documents - a tactic pursued only twice before in U.S. history. The Republican-led House of Representatives voted on Thursday to find Holder, the country's top law enforcement officer, in contempt of Congress for withholding documents in a botched gun-running sting operation on the U.S.-Mexico border. In a second vote, the House gave itself the authority to go to court to get the documents. That will put a spotlight not only on Holder but also on his boss, President Barack Obama, who has insisted he can withhold the documents under executive privilege. LINK me@rescam.org |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
Oh no not contempt of Congress!!! Wait they have no means of enforcing the order. Can I have one, too? In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
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MOMMY: He is MAKING ME Read His Posts Thoughts and Prayers. GOoD Thoughts and GOoD Prayers. HATERWORLD Vs THOUGHTs and PRAYERs World. It Is a BATTLE ROYALE. Nobody LOVEs Me. Everybody HATEs Me. Why Don't I Go Eat Worms. Tasty Treats are Wormy Meat. Yes Send message Joined: 16 Jun 02 Posts: 6895 Credit: 6,588,977 RAC: 0 |
Yeah. I bet he resigns before Aug. 1. Sweet. FastAndFuriousResignationFourthAngel May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Indeed, it would be grand if Issa resigns in the coming month. http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/more-senate-corruption-rep-darrel-issa-questionable-ethics-goldman-sachs-paying-for-protection/6041 http://www.nhdp.org/guinta-and-issa-corruption-brothers-meet-in-new-hampshire http://issawatch.couragecampaign.org http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-21/issa-sought-u-s-clean-energy-aid.html |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
Darrell Edward Issa is the U.S. Representative for California's 49th congressional district, serving since 2001. He is a member of the Republican Party. He was formerly a CEO of Directed Electronics, the Vista, California-based manufacturer of automobile security and convenience products. His district consists of portions of southern Riverside County and northern San Diego County. Since January 2011, he has served as Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. Issa is a self-made millionaire with a net worth estimated at as much as $450 million, making him the wealthiest currently-serving member of Congress. He is very popular here and should always have the majority vote of his constituents. So resigning is not an option for him. me@rescam.org |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
Resigning is always an option. But in as much as he represents one of the reddest of the California red districts he'd only be replaced by another TeaPublican so I take your point in that he represents the mentality of his specific district. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Can you say Richard Nixon? Can you say Watergate? Justice Department shields Holder from prosecution after contempt vote My oh my. I bet there are a bunch of lawyers reading up the the cases from then right now. I bet real soon we have a big constitutional crises and SCOTUS will be called upon to settle it. And everything that was done to Nixon is going to be done to Holder and Obama. Payback is a bitch isn't it? Stupid idiot justice dept., just put on a super sloppy job in front of the Grand Jury and let them refuse to indict and it is over with. |
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