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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 2890 Credit: 257,895 RAC: 249	Message 1343489 - Posted: 6 Mar 2013, 17:24:46 UTC
	I just saw a video from La Thuile where Fabiola Gianotti and Guido Tonelli announce that the particle discovered by the LHC is a Higgs boson but maybe not perhaps the only Higgs boson. Higgs was present and was applauded. Tullio ____________
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 570 Credit: 195,942 RAC: 160	Message 1343511 - Posted: 6 Mar 2013, 18:23:58 UTC - in response to Message 1343489.
	Physicists on Higgs Hunt: Nearly There but Not Yet
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22614 Credit: 4,497,804 RAC: 5,888	Message 1344023 - Posted: 8 Mar 2013, 9:36:10 UTC
	I don't know what would be more exciting, finding a graviton or a higgs .... But I said last year that they hadn't found the higgs, just one that looked like it, and no one believed me. Listen to me why not .....
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 2890 Credit: 257,895 RAC: 249	Message 1344031 - Posted: 8 Mar 2013, 10:39:22 UTC - in response to Message 1344023.
	If its spin is zero, it is a Higgs. If it is 2, it is a graviton. ATLAS has spoken but CMS has not, so far. Tullio ____________
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 570 Credit: 195,942 RAC: 160	Message 1345936 - Posted: 12 Mar 2013, 22:39:32 UTC - in response to Message 1344031.
	YES! Morgan Freeman Explores 'The God Particle' in a Special Higgs Boson Episode of 'Through the Wormhole' On the heels of the newest data released by physicists last week at the world-renowned CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research) Conference held in La Thuile, Italy regarding The Higgs Boson “The God Particle”, Science Channel premieres a special episode of the Morgan Freeman hosted THROUGH THE WORMHOLE: IS THERE A GOD PARTICLE? on Wednesday, March 20 at 9PM ET/PT.
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7109 Credit: 3,681,017 RAC: 939	Message 1346528 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 13:11:26 UTC
	Looking more closely with yet more data and: LHC cements Higgs boson identification ... Yet there is still some uncertainty as to whether the particle is indeed a Higgs, and if so, what type it is. Results at the Moriond meeting in Italy suggest strongly that the particle's "spin" is consistent with a Higgs. Teams from the two Higgs-hunting experiments, Atlas and CMS, analysed two-and-a-half times more data than were available in July in an effort to pin down not only the particle's existence, but also something about its character. All that is conclusively established is that the particle is in the family of bosons, but researchers had been careful since July to describe it as "Higgs-like". ... ... The results reported at the conference - based on the entire data sets from 2011 and 2012 - much more strongly suggest that the new particle's "spin" is zero - consistent with any of the theoretical varieties of Higgs. "The preliminary results with the full 2012 data set are magnificent and to me it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson, though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is," ... All very interesting... Keep searchin', Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22614 Credit: 4,497,804 RAC: 5,888	Message 1346532 - Posted: 14 Mar 2013, 13:19:24 UTC
	"The preliminary results with the full 2012 data set are magnificent and to me it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson, though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is," .. . Hold on a minute here. We don't even know if it is a Higgs Boson, now they are suggesting there might be more than one type of it? Talk about hedging ones bets.
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 570 Credit: 195,942 RAC: 160	Message 1348934 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013, 1:12:20 UTC - in response to Message 1346532.
	On the heels of the newest data released by physicists last week at the world-renowned CERN (European Organization for Nuclear Research) Conference held in La Thuile, Italy regarding The Higgs Boson “The God Particle”, Science Channel premieres a special episode of the Morgan Freeman hosted THROUGH THE WORMHOLE: IS THERE A GOD PARTICLE? on Wednesday, March 20 at 9PM ET/PT.
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 659 Credit: 61,896 RAC: 94	Message 1349050 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013, 11:50:13 UTC Last modified: 21 Mar 2013, 11:51:10 UTC
	According to comments made on that episode of "Through the Wormhole" related to the Higgs Boson even though scientists now believe they have detected the particle new questions and possibilities have developed. One is that there might be up to 5 different Higgs Bosons and/or it/they may be composed of either smaller components. Will it ever end? Or is this just a ploy to justify seeking more funds to keep their jobs? ____________ Bob DeWoody
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 2890 Credit: 257,895 RAC: 249	Message 1349087 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013, 14:42:30 UTC - in response to Message 1349050. Last modified: 21 Mar 2013, 14:42:58 UTC
	According to comments made on that episode of "Through the Wormhole" related to the Higgs Boson even though scientists now believe they have detected the particle new questions and possibilities have developed. One is that there might be up to 5 different Higgs Bosons and/or it/they may be composed of either smaller components. Will it ever end? Or is this just a ploy to justify seeking more funds to keep their jobs? There was a book by two Italian physicists years ago, "La spirale delle alte energie", who advanced the same suspicion. But it was never translated in English, as far as I know. Prof. Emilio Segre' said something very similar in an article on the "Endeavor" magazine in 1972. But it is better to spend money on particle accelerators than on weapons, this is my humble opinion. Tullio ____________
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 659 Credit: 61,896 RAC: 94	Message 1349104 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013, 15:49:50 UTC - in response to Message 1349087.
	According to comments made on that episode of "Through the Wormhole" related to the Higgs Boson even though scientists now believe they have detected the particle new questions and possibilities have developed. One is that there might be up to 5 different Higgs Bosons and/or it/they may be composed of either smaller components. Will it ever end? Or is this just a ploy to justify seeking more funds to keep their jobs? There was a book by two Italian physicists years ago, "La spirale delle alte energie", who advanced the same suspicion. But it was never translated in English, as far as I know. Prof. Emilio Segre' said something very similar in an article on the "Endeavor" magazine in 1972. But it is better to spend money on particle accelerators than on weapons, this is my humble opinion. Tullio In my opinion I am afraid the only reason the money is being spent is because someone thinks the results of the research can be militarized into who knows what kind of god awful weapon like a matter-antimatter bomb. I hope I am wrong and maybe a little too pessimistic. ____________ Bob DeWoody
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 2890 Credit: 257,895 RAC: 249	Message 1349161 - Posted: 21 Mar 2013, 18:22:21 UTC - in response to Message 1349104.
	In my opinion I am afraid the only reason the money is being spent is because someone thinks the results of the research can be militarized into who knows what kind of god awful weapon like a matter-antimatter bomb. I hope I am wrong and maybe a little too pessimistic. As a matter of fact, the "N" in CERN stands for Nuclear, while nuclear research is not the main objective of CERN. So politicians think "maybe they will give us more bang for a buck" and so finance subnuclear physics. Tullio ____________
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 659 Credit: 61,896 RAC: 94	Message 1351289 - Posted: 27 Mar 2013, 22:03:07 UTC
	OK, the Higgs boson has tentatively been identified only to open up another Pandora's box of possible particles more basic than the Higgs. Where is all of this leading? I wonder how long the various European nation sponsors of the LHC will continue to lavish large sums of money on the facility without gaining any useable technology from the experiments. Knowledge for it's own sake is nice but it doesn't pay the bills or feed the masses. So is there any experiment at CERN that has a high probability of developing into some useful technology, other than a bigger more deadly bomb? ____________ Bob DeWoody
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1351380 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 6:12:39 UTC - in response to Message 1351289.
	OK, the Higgs boson has tentatively been identified only to open up another Pandora's box of possible particles more basic than the Higgs. Where is all of this leading? I wonder how long the various European nation sponsors of the LHC will continue to lavish large sums of money on the facility without gaining any useable technology from the experiments. Knowledge for it's own sake is nice but it doesn't pay the bills or feed the masses. So is there any experiment at CERN that has a high probability of developing into some useful technology, other than a bigger more deadly bomb? Discover first, Bob, then look to utilise if possible, second. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 2890 Credit: 257,895 RAC: 249	Message 1351501 - Posted: 28 Mar 2013, 14:54:33 UTC
	Here is a "Nature" article: Higgs boson on the cheap Tullio ____________
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Glenn savill Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 831 Credit: 565,033 RAC: 7,474	Message 1355486 - Posted: 10 Apr 2013, 23:41:44 UTC
	Is'nt there spose to be 6 higgs particles 1 down 5 more to find ____________
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 570 Credit: 195,942 RAC: 160	Message 1357296 - Posted: 15 Apr 2013, 18:50:18 UTC - in response to Message 1355486. Last modified: 15 Apr 2013, 18:50:51 UTC
	More Higgs Bosons May Exist, Particle Physicists Say
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Glenn savill Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 831 Credit: 565,033 RAC: 7,474	Message 1357408 - Posted: 16 Apr 2013, 2:34:16 UTC - in response to Message 1357296.
	Thank's Lynn 1 down 4 more to find hehehehehe ____________
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Lynn Send message Joined: 20 Nov 00 Posts: 570 Credit: 195,942 RAC: 160	Message 1358413 - Posted: 19 Apr 2013, 6:56:44 UTC - in response to Message 1357408.
	Welcome Glenn. Cern, comes back online in 2015. We wait till then.
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22614 Credit: 4,497,804 RAC: 5,888	Message 1358480 - Posted: 19 Apr 2013, 9:12:52 UTC
	The preliminary results with the full 2012 data set are magnificent and to me it is clear that we are dealing with a Higgs boson though we still have a long way to go to know what kind of Higgs boson it is," As I understood it they found a new elementary particle that appears to fit the standard model almost perfectly. But now they are hedging their bets by saying it is "Higgs type" particle, not "THE" Higgs, and there may be more "Higgs like" particles to be found. The way that things seem to be going is that they will keep discovering new particles all the time without getting to a final conclusion about anything.
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