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Message 1260496 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 1:43:31 UTC - in response to Message 1260484.  
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A black hole is not visible, this was already known to Pierre Simon de Laplace in the XVIII Century. The matter falling into a black hole is visible because it emits X-rays. Pictures of it have been taken by the Chandra X-ray space telescope and now, with greater resolution, by the NuSTAR telescope. I have already published this information and someone else has posted an image of Cygnus X-1 black hole taken by NuSTAR. You cannot ignore this fact.
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Tullio what do you mean "I cannot ignore this fact". What does that mean Tullio? Are you taking the pi*s here? Have i not clarified my point enough?

Lets spell this out like we are teaching children here;

1. Astronomers CAN'T see "Black holes". (We seem to agree on this)
2. Astronomers CAN see matter and energy, at various wavelengths, being ejected from the centre of Galaxy's, like our Milkyway. They describe this area where the matter and energy are being ejected as a "Black hole".
3. The one in the centre of the Milkyway is called Sagittarius A*; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_A*
4. If you read that page about Sagittarius A*, it will tell you that the mass of the black hole in the centre of the Milkyway has an approximate mass of 4 million Suns(One Sun Mass is based on our Sun).

IMPORTANT;
5. They cannot "see" the black hole in the centre of Sagittarius A*, they "infer" that the black hole is there through mathematics.
6. They estimate the 4 million solar masses as the mass of the black hole because the stars that orbit Sagittarius A* are travelling at a certain speed and have particular orbits. This allows them to "infer" that there is an object that these stars are orbiting around. And because of the brightness of the stars, and the orbital periods of the stars, they "infer", through mathematics, that the black hole has 4 million solar masses.

Here is my problem with this;

The word "infer", thats my problem!! They cannot see the black hole, they infer that the black hole is there through mathematics.

If there is an error in their mathematics, then the black hole might not exist. Simple as that. And no, i'm not elaborating any further than that. I have to protect my discovery.

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Message 1260498 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 1:47:50 UTC - in response to Message 1260496.  

If Cygnus X-1 is not a black hole, what is it? Please detail.
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Message 1260505 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:09:36 UTC
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Ok Tullio, i read this page; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cygnus_X-1

This is my personal take on this;
Exactly the same physics is happening in Cygnus X-1, as is happening in Sagittarius A* at the centre of the Milkyway galaxy. Same physics as i described in my previous post. It would appear to the observer that there is, what astronomers describe as a black hole. They see bright x-rays and matter being ejected. In other words, they see stuff going in, and they see stuff coming out. They don't see the black hole. From mathematics, they "infer" that the black hole exists.

Dam, there's that word again that i dislike so much; They Infer the black hole exists.

Tullio do you understand that it can be dangerous to infer anything in science?

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Message 1260507 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:11:57 UTC - in response to Message 1260505.  

Yes and what is YOUR explanation for celestial X-ray sources?
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Message 1260508 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:14:35 UTC - in response to Message 1260507.  

Yes and what is YOUR explanation for celestial X-ray sources?

They are created exactly the same way we generate x-rays in particle accelerators. Particle decay.

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Message 1260509 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:28:54 UTC - in response to Message 1260508.  
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No, particle decays are caused by the weak nuclear interaction, which is weaker than the electromagnetic interaction. You have to accelerate charged particle by strong em fields and make them hit a solid target. Modern free electron lasers use modulated em fields to make electron beams emit coherent X-rays. X-rays are caused by high energy phenomena, both here on the Earth and in the sky. Think of Einstein's equation E=hnu (sorry, I have no Greek characters).
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Message 1260512 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:40:34 UTC
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There are multiple ways to create x-rays; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-ray

Whats your point? Cygnus X-1 is a bright source of x-rays, so what? The only thing this confirms is that there is a lot of matter being thrown around near the centre of Cygnus X-1 and there is massive energy involved. In fact going by black hole theory, it could only happen outside the event horizon, otherwise we couldn't see it. And in my books, there is no black hole, and no event horizon either.

Simple, matter is going in, and matter and energy is coming out. Simple, matter and energy in, and matter and energy out. Both equal!! No black hole needed! See, my theory is easier to understand!

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Message 1260514 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:49:01 UTC - in response to Message 1260512.  

Yes, maybe, but if you don't publish it I cannor judge it. Hic Rhodus hic salta.
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Message 1260517 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:55:24 UTC - in response to Message 1260514.  

Yes, maybe, but if you don't publish it I cannor judge it. Hic Rhodus hic salta.
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I published here in front of you Tullio, what more do you want? I can't go back to collage, i'm too old and i don't have the money. I can't publish in astronomy journals because i don't have a degree in astronomy, nor do i have institutional backing. So i publish my work right here on the good old SETI@home forums. Good old SETI@home!! So this project really is good for something after all!

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Message 1260522 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 3:14:40 UTC - in response to Message 1260517.  

I need some equations, not just words.
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Message 1260581 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 7:10:55 UTC

Johnny, despair not, there are a number of amateur astronomy journals around - have a dig and see if there is one that covers the subject you are trying to get published.
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Message 1260624 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 12:00:57 UTC - in response to Message 1260522.  
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I need some equations, not just words.

Tullio,
I want some equations too!... LOL
I told you before, i'm really bad at maths. I can explain it in plain English, but i can't write out the maths. Just because i have the solution doesn't make me any better at maths.

Rob Smith said:
Johnny, despair not, there are a number of amateur astronomy journals around - have a dig and see if there is one that covers the subject you are trying to get published.

Rob Smith,
Your right, there are a few left-wing amateur journals that i could publish in. I have considered this. But i hum and i haw about what to do.
1. I'm not sure yet if i want to publish this right now
2. Like i said to Chris, i'm bad at maths. So if i did publish, they would claim that i didn't have enough maths in the paper to get the credit for the work.

So i'm holding off for the time being Rob.

Chris S,
You have some fine theories yourself. Maybe you should publish something. And Chris, to "Deduce" or "infer"?? To me, these mean roughly the same thing. The point i am making is that the astronomers use maths as proof that black holes exist. They can't see them with any telescope. And i found an error in their maths, a big error. Yes, i know it sounds like a contradiction that i'm bad at maths but i can correct other peoples maths. But i don't look at their maths, i look at the pictures they take with their telescopes. and i watch how they interpret the information in the image. Thats how i know they are making mistakes.

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Message 1260632 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 12:32:14 UTC
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Ok so,
Would anyone like to see how i solved part of the problem here? I will take you through how i solved the problem of Dark Matter and Dark Energy. This is what lead me to solving the Black hole problem!

After about 2 years investigating Dark Matter and Dark Energy, i found these videos made by Dr. Damian Pope of the Perimeter Institute for physics in Canada;

I watched these 4 Youtube videos about Dark matter and Dark energy; (About 7 minutes per video)
Part 1. The Dark Matter Mystery: Stars Are Moving Too Fast; (6 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx1Wf84bC2M

Part 2. The Dark Matter Mystery: 39 Billion Missing Suns; (8 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzrxXxkdN1w

Part 3. The Dark Matter Mystery: Gravitational Lensing (9 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xKFrdzhM2Y

Part 4. The Dark Matter Mystery: Most Of The Universe Is Missing (7 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvQz2eWBkmg

Its 4 parts of the same 30 minutes video!

Dr. Damian Pope explains the Dark Matter and Dark Energy problem in great detail in those video. He goes through all the maths involved in exactly how they calculate the mass of the dark matter and dark energy.

It was from those video that i made part of the break through that led to my discovery. It was in those videos that i saw the mathematical error. After watching those videos i went off to try prove and verify if i was right or wrong about my theory. This is how i knew that i definitely had found a real error in the maths they use.

I might have watched those same 4 videos on Youtube maybe 10 or 12 times. I studied those videos for weeks on end. I watched them, then went away and did some thinking, then watched them again, and kept doing that for several weeks.

See if you can spot the error in Dr. Damian Pope's maths in the video! If you can find the error in Dr. Damian Pope's maths in the video, then you will be very famous!!

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Message 1260656 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 13:24:43 UTC - in response to Message 1260632.  

Ok so,
Would anyone like to see how i solved part of the problem here? ...

Part 1. The Dark Matter Mystery: Stars Are Moving Too Fast; (6 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx1Wf84bC2M

Part 2. The Dark Matter Mystery: 39 Billion Missing Suns; (8 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzrxXxkdN1w

Part 3. The Dark Matter Mystery: Gravitational Lensing (9 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xKFrdzhM2Y

Part 4. The Dark Matter Mystery: Most Of The Universe Is Missing (7 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvQz2eWBkmg

...

You not getting tripped up by the "speed of gravity" conundrum are you?...

And yes, galaxies do appear to rotate faster than that suggested by the mass of the stars seen... Hence the various ideas as to why that might be so...


So what's the clincher for your version?

Keep searchin',
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Message 1260659 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 13:45:21 UTC - in response to Message 1260656.  
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You not getting tripped up by the "speed of gravity" conundrum are you?...

And yes, galaxies do appear to rotate faster than that suggested by the mass of the stars seen... Hence the various ideas as to why that might be so...


So what's the clincher for your version?

Keep searchin',
Martin

The videos are really good martin, aren't they? They are not just a boring old maths lecture, they are cool videos and they go into massive detail to explain all the problems. And they offer many solutions, by very credible scientists that professionally work on this problem.

So Martin would you agree, i'm not talking rubbish, there is a very real and distinct problem here that needs to be solved.

Martin you ask what's the deal clincher for me? Hmmmmmmm........ I need to be careful here what i say. I need to explain this without giving you the true answer. But i also want to be as honest with you as i can. I'm not going to give this away. If you want it, you have to work for it!

Let me put it to you like this - What have i already said in this thread? Martin if you, or anyone else, is clever enough and driven enough, i have given you all the information you need in this thread to solve the problem. Its up to any individual if your driven enough to read back through this thread and see what i have said. I have handed you the answer to the problem on a silver platter in this thread! The answer is in what i have posted in this thread.

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Message 1260662 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 14:10:51 UTC

Science is not a quiz game, it is something else.
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Message 1260666 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 14:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 1260662.  

Science is not a quiz game, it is something else.
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No Tullio,
Your wrong there! Science is very competitive, in some cases, its more competitive than many sports. Just look at the two separate teams they had working in CERN. It was a competition between the ATLAS and the CMS teams to see who could find the Higgs Boson. And they were not allowed to share information about their experiments. And the prize? Nobel prizes all round for the winning team!

Now thats competition Tullio! Science is very cut-throat. Quite literally scientists will try to beat each other to see who gets their results published first. It happens in all areas of science.

So as i say, if someone wants the answer, they will have to work for it.

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Message 1260671 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 14:49:42 UTC - in response to Message 1260666.  

I've always published my works, submitting them first to peer review and then to all scientists. Once I wrote a paper that I thought nobody would publish and I sent a copy of it to prof.Roger Penrose of Oxford University. He answered within one week saying he had found it "very interesting". I consider this more than a Nobel prize, given the scientific status of Penrose.
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Message 1260752 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 18:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 1260671.  
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I've always published my works, submitting them first to peer review and then to all scientists. Once I wrote a paper that I thought nobody would publish and I sent a copy of it to prof.Roger Penrose of Oxford University. He answered within one week saying he had found it "very interesting". I consider this more than a Nobel prize, given the scientific status of Penrose.
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Thats interesting Tullio,
I watched some TV show that said Stephen Hawking gets several thousand science papers in the post every week. All people asking Hawking for his opinion on every science topic under the Sun. Poor man just doesn't have the time to read them all.

Tullio when you wrote to Roger Penrose, those were different times back then. Today everybody has a computer and the internet. These are powerful research tools and there are now millions of people doing research on millions of topics. It means that today, in the popular sciences like astronomy and physics, tens of thousands of people are all researching these topics. Buried among all that research by thousands of people, we have the answers to many of these unsolved problems. But its hard for people to know who to tell when you really do have a solution.

Chris S,
Setiland is a good place to publish your work. Post it into messages here on these boards. If people are looking for answers, they will find it through Google.

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Message 1263305 - Posted: 22 Jul 2012, 10:57:13 UTC
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Back to the Higgs Boson and the Standard Model for one moment;

I like the following article because it highlights the "problems" we now face after finding this new Higgs-like particle;

The Higgs boson ‘nightmare scenario’ by Boston Globe;
http://bostonglobe.com/ideas/2012/07/21/the-higgs-boson-nightmare-scenario/XH3FfnZpjYYpu1gtRmwM6J/story.html

The article is good because it discusses the fact that finding the Higgs Boson doesn't actually solve some of the bigger problems!

Its a well written article!
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