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They do seem to have enough evidence to support a new "Higgs like" particle. But its very far from explaining the force we call gravity That opinion is the same as mine John, all exciting stuff though! | |
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That is the big problem. Three interactions, nuclear strong, electromagnetic and nuclear weak, are included in the Standard Model. Gravity is not and is still a kind of island. Even Einstein failed in his unified field theory, although that included only em and gravity, not the nuclear forces. Perhaps we need a new Einstein more than a new accelerator. I'm not too sure Einstein would agree with you here, Tulio. Einstein did not consider himself any more intelligent than his contemporaries. He stated that his successes were down to him being prepared to spend more time and putting more effort into his research. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Well, Einstein solved the mystery of the photoelectric effect via the Planck quantum, created special relativity, general relativity, introduced the idea of stimulated emission of radiation which gave birth to maser and laser, made also other contribution to physics which it would take too much time to explain (but see the book by Abraham Pais).What I would like to remember today is the Einstein-Podolsky-Rosen paradox of 1935 which opened new horizons to quantum mechanics and the following works by John Bell, the Bell inequalities, confirmed experimentally by Alain Aspect which brought to the entanglement phenomenon used in quantum cryptography, and, possibly, in quantum computers. He deserved at least 5 Nobel prizes and got only one, for the photoelectric effect, none for relativity. | |
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EINSTEIN came to Princeton University in 1935 and was asked what he would require Einstein made such a big effort that naturally he would get some big results in the end...Now he knew this so perhaps explains his humble attitude regarding his own abilities to those comparable to his contemporaries. Still, he was 'arf clever though and we will always consider him a couple of universes ahead of anyone else. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Prof Stephen Hawking, talks in the short video. | |
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That is the big problem. Three interactions, nuclear strong, electromagnetic and nuclear weak, are included in the Standard Model. Gravity is not and is still a kind of island. Even Einstein failed in his unified field theory, although that included only em and gravity, not the nuclear forces. Perhaps we need a new Einstein more than a new accelerator. What Eienstein considered himself to be is not relevant. One can be a genius and not contribute anything of significance to mankind's body of knowledge. Eienstein's contribution is unmistakable most probably because he had all of the qualities needed to put his thoughts in order and come up with the revelations now being used in science. This is what I think Tullio was referring to in his comment regarding the need for another Einstein. ____________ Bob DeWoody | |
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Guys, I wonder how would explain it Michio Kaku, Brian Greene, Lisa Randall or Brian Cox, for example. Stephen Hawkings has already requested the Nobel Prize for Mr.Higgs, although it has not been proved for sure. ____________ | |
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What Eienstein considered himself to be is not relevant. One can be a genius and not contribute anything of significance to mankind's body of knowledge. Eienstein's contribution is unmistakable most probably because he had all of the qualities needed to put his thoughts in order and come up with the revelations now being used in science. This is what I think Tullio was referring to in his comment regarding the need for another Einstein. Good to have a different angle on this: Einsteins IQ: 160 Richard Feynman IQ: 125 So it's not just intelligence that makes for a genius as Bob points out. Clearly there is something else and for Einstein he did have this challenging mind and always followed his intuition rather than follow the thoughts of the herd. Not following the herd mentality is what made him a winner in many respects. There may be another form of intelligence yet to be discovered that the likes of Einstein and Feyman both possessed to a very high degree. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Nick, a notional IQ does not indicate a genius that Einstein demonstrably was. I have an IQ of 148, and I struggle big time to understand both of Einsteins relativity theories ..... | |
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Nick, a notional IQ does not indicate a genius that Einstein demonstrably was. I have an IQ of 148, and I struggle big time to understand both of Einsteins relativity theories ..... Don't put your self down Chris. Nobody understands Einsteins special and General relativity. Anyone that says they do are lying. John. ____________ | |
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Nick, a notional IQ does not indicate a genius that Einstein demonstrably was. I have an IQ of 148, and I struggle big time to understand both of Einsteins relativity theories ..... Now I thought I was OK with an IQ of 129 but had yet to find a use for it. But hey, Chris; your are a genius when it comes to potted plants though, at least you found an outlet to shine in. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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I would say that quantum mechanics is more difficult to understand than relativity, and not because of the equations, that are simpler to integrate than Einstein's non linear equations. Chemists regularly use the Schroedinger equation to study the properties of molecules using approximate methods (such as Hartree-Fok or density functional theory and MonteCarlo) without caring much about the philosophy underlying it. Einstein understood it perfectly and reacted saying "God does not play dice". | |
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It's an historic time! Kudos to the LHC staff! | |
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That was on the Cattell B III Nick. Mensa did require 150+ to join, looks like they've dropped it these days. | |
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That was on the Cattell B III Nick. Mensa did require 150+ to join, looks like they've dropped it these days. Richard Feynman IQ: 125, would not have gained entry then. So one wounders then "what do these test result amount to in relation to ability". With yours as high as 148 Chris then you should have some good ideas on this. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Funny thing about the old Higgs Boson; | |
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@Nick On the Culture Fair test used by British Mensa, a score of 132 places a candidate in the top two per cent of the population (the average IQ is taken as 100). On the Cattell B III, also commonly used by Mensa, a score of 148 or above would be required. All members of Mensa are in the top two per cent by IQ whichever scale their intelligence was measured by. My test was many years ago, probably irrelevant now. I might have another go one day, I'll see. It's not important. Mensa Supervised test sessions currently comprise two test papers. One is diagrammatical while the other measures largely verbal reasoning ability. Mensa Q&A | |
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@Nick Same here Chris, mine was done nearly 20 years ago so it will now have dropped, due to age, down to about 114. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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Funny thing about the old Higgs Boson; Stop it Johnnyyyyyyyyyyyyy - stop it. You misinterpret both Chris & myself regarding IQ levels. Yes, we both do have above average scores but basically we scratch our heads regarding any evidence of benefiting from it. This is why I quote Richard Feynman IQ: 125; my IQ is above his but no way am I in his league of abilities. This leads me onto your question regarding the end result to the discovery of the Higgs Bosun. To give you an answer here would involve me having to study the Higgs Bosun phenomena, in depths, to be able to gauge an acceptable answer. This I choose not to do, yet if you know the answer then do come forwards with it. But do deal with this all nicely, John, else you'll get no respect...which would be a shame since you are an intelligent chap. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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