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Message 1254266 - Posted: 1 Jul 2012, 17:56:36 UTC

I reckon a better question would be and none of you bothered to ask...Why would God put all of His eggs in one basket?


OK, why?

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Message 1254285 - Posted: 1 Jul 2012, 18:18:41 UTC

"God Particle" is found - CERN expected to announce on Wednesday

Hmmn...science or God? That is the question!
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Message 1254289 - Posted: 1 Jul 2012, 18:31:04 UTC
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No, Unmoved mover or chance? That is the question.

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Message 1254293 - Posted: 1 Jul 2012, 18:44:48 UTC - in response to Message 1254289.

No, Unmoved mover or chance? That is the question.


let's not be politically correct here...It's God or science! Just who is this unmoved mover...Satan?
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Message 1254306 - Posted: 1 Jul 2012, 19:09:41 UTC

The Higgs boson is regarded as the key to understanding the universe. Physicists say its job is to give the particles that make up atoms their mass. Without this mass, these particles would zip though the cosmos at the speed of light, unable to bind together to form the atoms that make up everything in the universe, from planets to people.


I'll still withhold my judgement.

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Message 1254343 - Posted: 1 Jul 2012, 21:33:10 UTC - in response to Message 1254293.
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No, Unmoved mover or chance? That is the question.


let's not be politically correct here...It's God or science! Just who is this unmoved mover...Satan?


You know the story of Satan just as well as I do. Red Herring question, not the Unmoved mover if the Unmoved mover created Satan. Your logic is backwards.

Why does the question have to be either God or science? After all, did not the Unmoved mover Create science?

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Message 1254346 - Posted: 1 Jul 2012, 21:37:06 UTC - in response to Message 1254343.

I was being sarcastic..just who is this "unmoved mover"?
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Message 1254665 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 19:44:54 UTC

Humans are An Experiment.

GOD brings a FEW to Heaven. The Very FEW.

The REST go to RiverWorld.

RiverWorld ain't bad. Deadlier than Earth, but Resurection is assured up to around the 775th time. So, it ain't bad.

Sir Richard Burton(19th Century Version)mucked it up somewhat. Not sure if RiverWorld is still An Option now.

GOD lent you The Tools. Don't blame The Tools or GOD.

Get A Grip Humans.

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Message 1254691 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 20:43:17 UTC

Humans are An Experiment.

You were one of the MK 1 early prototypes then?

Get A Grip Humans.
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Oh we do beg your pardon Mr. Angel Sir, we'll try and do better.

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Message 1254694 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 20:45:19 UTC - in response to Message 1254665.

RiverWorld? Never heard of it, but RiverDance is quite good...........
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Message 1254703 - Posted: 2 Jul 2012, 20:59:04 UTC
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Riverworld is a fictional planet and the setting for a series of science fiction books written by Philip José Farmer (1918-2009). Riverworld is an artificial environment where all humans (and pre-humans) are reconstructed. The books explore interactions of individuals from many different cultures and time periods. Its underlying theme is quasi-religious: who did this? Why? How? The motivations of alien intelligences operating under ultra-ethical motives are explored.

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Message 1255638 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 21:06:24 UTC

Thomas Jefferson on Intelligent Design.

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Message 1255677 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 23:03:12 UTC
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http://darwinaia.wordpress.com/2009/07/22/would-thomas-jefferson-support-intelligent-design/

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Message 1255703 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 23:57:36 UTC - in response to Message 1255638.

Thomas Jefferson on Intelligent Design.


[Sigh]So what if Jefferson did say:

I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition.


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? Did he have at his disposal the findings of Darwin, Einstein, Heisenberg, Feynman, etc? The site I linked ends:

If more people knew about Jefferson's real views on intelligent design, they might not be so quick to accept bogus claims that it is simply repackaged theology.


"bogus claims"? Right. The argument presented is a fallacious appeal to authority, Jefferson didn't have any views on the Intelligent Design Hypothesis, because he died before it was invented.
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Message 1255704 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 0:00:47 UTC - in response to Message 1255703.

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The argument presented is a fallacious appeal to authority, Jefferson didn't have any views on the Intelligent Design Hypothesis, because he died before it was invented.


That's got my nomination for the comment of the year. Nice one Bobby!
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Message 1255710 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 0:13:30 UTC - in response to Message 1255703.
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Thomas Jefferson on Intelligent Design.


[Sigh]So what if Jefferson did say:

I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the Universe, in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and indefinite power in every atom of its composition.


(source)

? Did he have at his disposal the findings of Darwin, Einstein, Heisenberg, Feynman, etc? The site I linked ends:

If more people knew about Jefferson's real views on intelligent design, they might not be so quick to accept bogus claims that it is simply repackaged theology.


"bogus claims"? Right. The argument presented is a fallacious appeal to authority, Jefferson didn't have any views on the Intelligent Design Hypothesis, because he died before it was invented.



Yes, of course, Jefferson could not have ever have read the Ancient philosophers; including Plato and Aristotle who adovcated early forms of intelligent design theory. Nor could this have been a follow up by the Watchmaker analogy.

Nor can you lump my master Dr. Einstein who was a believer in Intelligent Design with Darwin, Heisenberg, Feynman, etc, etc, etc...

As expected, know nothing of history and your damned to repeat it...

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Message 1255716 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 0:25:44 UTC - in response to Message 1255703.

Bobby, looks like you are amongst the ill-informed here as you don't understand ID's *interpretation* of history, or perhaps you understand what ID purports as 'history' to be his *opinion*, absolute and concrete as always.

Now the lad is implying that Aristotle and Plato started the ID trend. Good to know, I thought ID was a monotheist, guess not.

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Message 1255718 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 0:27:09 UTC - in response to Message 1255716.

Bobby, looks like you are amongst the ill-informed here as you don't understand ID's *interpretation* of history, or perhaps you understand what ID purports as 'history' to be his *opinion*, absolute and concrete as always.

Now the lad is implying that Aristotle and Plato started the ID trend. Good to know, I thought ID was a monotheist, guess not.


I always thought ID was Identification for when the coppers pulled you over.. :)
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Message 1255734 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 0:54:30 UTC - in response to Message 1255710.

"bogus claims"? Right. The argument presented is a fallacious appeal to authority, Jefferson didn't have any views on the Intelligent Design Hypothesis, because he died before it was invented.



Yes, of course, Jefferson could not have ever have read the Ancient philosophers; including Plato and Aristotle who adovcated early forms of intelligent design theory. Nor could this have been a follow up by the Watchmaker analogy.

Nor can you lump my master Dr. Einstein who was a believer in Intelligent Design with Darwin, Heisenberg, Feynman, etc, etc, etc...

As expected, know nothing of history and your damned to repeat it...


Another straw man? That the podcast and the article I quoted from seek to conflate 17th century and earlier ideas of "design" with the more modern Intelligent Design Hypothesis does not mean that I will fall for it.

Still holding on to the your faith that Einstein was a fellow traveler? This is the man that said:

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.


How's the Spinoza reading going?
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Message 1255769 - Posted: 5 Jul 2012, 3:28:41 UTC

Spinoza reading is going well.

I also liked page 45 of the book you just posted.

Unshaken, just stirred.

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