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Message 1251831 - Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 21:58:43 UTC

The longest-running case over the meaning of the Constitution's establishment clause.


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Message 1251856 - Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 23:18:19 UTC

I see you got the erosion of christianity there as well

This comes to mind & wonder will America allow this occur just because of some "useless" lawyer's view of a point of law?

"I remind all "modern" Americans of what your grandparents fought for.....

Franklin Delano Roosevelt's annual address to congress 1941

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression--everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way--everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want--which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants-everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear--which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor--anywhere in the world".

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Message 1252401 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 0:35:20 UTC

With several "hot" topics on this board with one discussing God,Law, & the Constitution, totalling approx 40,000 views with several thousand posts, this thread only has 2?

Doesn't a "core" issue count for anything over the pond?

Or is it that in America, there is only one "deity" - the "Almighty $"?
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Message 1252431 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 1:43:41 UTC

The deity is:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Unlike your side of the Pond where the head of the government is also the head of the religion.

The real question in this case is very simple, should tax dollars be spent on a new coat of paint to keep it from rusting.

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Message 1252448 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 2:14:38 UTC - in response to Message 1252431.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Well said Gary, and with that, I say the simple answer is NO!, tax dollars should NOT be applied. Tax dollars should never be mixed with anything of religious significance, except to protect rights of any said religion.
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Message 1252622 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 13:15:17 UTC - in response to Message 1252448.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Well said Gary, and with that, I say the simple answer is NO!, tax dollars should NOT be applied. Tax dollars should never be mixed with anything of religious significance, except to protect rights of any said religion.


Seems like in public schools around my neck of the woods, they cant celebrate Christmas anymore but all the others including that made up Kwansa from 1966 is ok though. Either celebrate all cultures holidays or none.


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Message 1252626 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 13:33:51 UTC - in response to Message 1252622.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Well said Gary, and with that, I say the simple answer is NO!, tax dollars should NOT be applied. Tax dollars should never be mixed with anything of religious significance, except to protect rights of any said religion.


Seems like in public schools around my neck of the woods, they cant celebrate Christmas anymore but all the others including that made up Kwansa from 1966 is ok though. Either celebrate all cultures holidays or none.



Not sure how Kwanzaa can be interpreted as sending "a message of government endorsement of religion". The Mount Soledad cross on the other hand certainly appears to.
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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1252693 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 16:35:52 UTC - in response to Message 1252626.
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Well said Gary, and with that, I say the simple answer is NO!, tax dollars should NOT be applied. Tax dollars should never be mixed with anything of religious significance, except to protect rights of any said religion.


Seems like in public schools around my neck of the woods, they cant celebrate Christmas anymore but all the others including that made up Kwansa from 1966 is ok though. Either celebrate all cultures holidays or none.



Not sure how Kwanzaa can be interpreted as sending "a message of government endorsement of religion". The Mount Soledad cross on the other hand certainly appears to.



Sorry my unarticulated point was that public schools can no longer celebrate Christmas , But any other religion and a made up clelebration is OK. Public schools equal tax dolars in my neck of the woods.
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Message 1253171 - Posted: 29 Jun 2012, 12:46:09 UTC - in response to Message 1252693.

Sorry my unarticulated point was that public schools can no longer celebrate Christmas , But any other religion and a made up clelebration is OK. Public schools equal tax dolars in my neck of the woods.


My taxes also fund public schools. If schools in your locality celebrate other religions holidays then I suspect this is just as much of an endorsement as celebrating Christmas. What happens on or around Sept 19th?
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Message 1253250 - Posted: 29 Jun 2012, 17:01:43 UTC
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What happens on or around Sept 19th?


Talk like a pirate day, duh... :-)
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Message 1253679 - Posted: 30 Jun 2012, 9:53:50 UTC

Too many people with too much time on their hands and lawyers chasing a buck.

Whatever happened to "live and let live", or "and the point of it all is ??".

This just proves that atheist nutters are as bad as religious nutters and as is happening in many areas, that the US constitution is being abused in ways the Founding Fathers never intended.

It's a WAR MEMORIAL for Pete's sake. Why can't it be respected as such and left alone ?

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Message 1253682 - Posted: 30 Jun 2012, 9:57:42 UTC - in response to Message 1253679.

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