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betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11354 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ID, it is clear that you do not understand Borel's law of large numbers as applied to random chance and infinity. Borel stated that as long as a probability exists and given an infinite number of attempts the event will occur! At least that is what the link you cited states. ID, I thought the point you were attempting to make was that random events did not explain your existence, yet the papers you cited clearly showed given enough time even you would appear. If you were trying to make another point try stating it again. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years (Before Bang)? I don't know? And neither do you. 4040 BC? Non Sequitur, that wasn't me. I have shown you WMAP and in that is what I believe so 4040BC would be an incorrect statement; I said nothing of the sort. What was He doing the day before? I don't know? Time as we know it did not exist. And you cannot prove otherwise. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
ID, it is clear that you do not understand Borel's law of large numbers as applied to random chance and infinity. Borel stated that as long as a probability exists and given an infinite number of attempts the event will occur! At least that is what the link you cited states. I have CLEARLY shown you what I believe many times now. All attempts to move me from my point have failed, or shown me the grasp some have on math, either way the point of there being a chance happening has not been proven. The MATH at the site http://www.nutters.org/docs/monkeys is correct. That many 9's after 0. is a longer chance then the universe has had life. The WMAP may be off, and, I can provide a link that will confirm what I have just said but nevertheless the WMAP tells us that time and everything we see started 13.7 billion years ago. Bottom line. It's not my fault that people will not look back 75 posts for what has been said because they have forgotten what has been said. Or cannot follow a line of thought from one thread to another by what a person believes and or personality. I do remember back farther then 75 posts and have no need to look. I beg you all to keep up. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 18996 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
What was He doing the day before? I don't know? Time as we know it did not exist. And you cannot prove otherwise. In your theory, if time did not exist before the big bang, then your diety could not have existed before the big bang, therefore that diety could not have caused the big bang. Ergo, there is no Designer, therefore there is no intelligent design and we get back to sensibility and accept evolution etc. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30593 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
What was He doing the day before? I don't know? Time as we know it did not exist. And you cannot prove otherwise. It is easy to pick the low hanging fruit. Perhaps as betreger suggests we should just let the dog chase its tail round and round in circular logic. Something akin to letting sleeping dogs lay. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30593 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Eh, I smell blood in the water .... sorry betreger .... ID, if there is no time before the universe, what created your prime mover? Doesn't your prime mover have to "always exist?" Seems to me that always implies an infinite amount of time. Ergo you loose your prime mover in another way. You have already conceded that if the probability by random chance of this universe is greater than zero then given an infinite amount of time this universe and you must happen due to random chance alone. No prime mover needed. You have succeeded in destroying your God. I'm proud of you. For a while I didn't think you were capable of enough logical thought to come to the correct conclusion. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
Linear time. Anyone? God is not in our linear time. The Big Bang was the start of our linear timeline. Ero, it would seem--logical--that for a TIME the Big Bang Event was also outside of our linear timeline, or, indeed, both 'places' at the sametime... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11354 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Linear time. Anyone? ID, as I have stated Boolean logic does not exist in your arguments. I am amazed, awestruck and totally embarrassed for you. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30593 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Linear time. Anyone? You will generally find the KISS principal works best. So you postulate the existence of another dimension of time. Actually doesn't help your argument. If the probability is above zero and this new postulated time is infinite, then random chance rules and with this infinite amount of time in this invented dimension then the universe must exist without a prime mover. Oh, BTW, if this new invented time isn't infinite, then your prime mover can't have always existed and he needs a different prime mover to create him. Sorry, ID you destroyed your God. Of course you could just modify your belief of what your God is, to not be so absolute, you might get him back. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30593 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
ID, as I have stated Boolean logic does not exist in your arguments. I am amazed, awestruck and totally embarrassed for you. Do you suppose ID represents the "best thinking" by the proselytizing believers? |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
For a All Knowing, Everlasting, and Always Been, Supernatural God that stands outside of our timeline we can think outside the Box so to speak. And I mean that on many levels. Ive said it once and I'll say it again..."Place yourself in the proper prospective and place; Are you in the inside looking out, or, are you outside looking in?" |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11354 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
ID, as I have stated Boolean logic does not exist in your arguments. I am amazed, awestruck and totally embarrassed for you. Gary, that kind of thinking is why I left the Republican Party about 25 years ago, The lack of logical thought I find repulsive. I have a hard time dealing with ideologues. |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
ID, as I have stated Boolean logic does not exist in your arguments. I am amazed, awestruck and totally embarrassed for you. Non Sequitur... |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
After the bad display of math here in this thread, done I am with it. Give them books and send them off to school and look what come back home.... |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
For a All Knowing, Everlasting, and Always Been, Supernatural God that stands outside of our timeline we can think outside the Box so to speak. And I mean that on many levels. Or are you just mumbling to your own arse? Consider it. Done mumbling to the deaf. Meow. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Intelligent Design Send message Joined: 9 Apr 12 Posts: 3626 Credit: 37,520 RAC: 0 |
For a All Knowing, Everlasting, and Always Been, Supernatural God that stands outside of our timeline we can think outside the Box so to speak. And I mean that on many levels. Considered it. Appearently. As am I. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30593 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
For a All Knowing, Everlasting, and Always Been, Supernatural God that stands outside of our timeline we can think outside the Box so to speak. And I mean that on many levels. Ah yes, a 1=3 god. Another person who ascribes multiple absolutes on God, a logical contradiction just like 1=3. One of these days you might wake up and actually think outside the box and stop imposing your ideas of what God should be on God and allow him to be what he chooses and not what you impose. |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
is a LONGER chance then the universe has had life, almost 14 billion years There's a reason it's called space-time. You can't have one without the other. Even Stephen Hawking got that right. me@rescam.org |
Misfit Send message Joined: 21 Jun 01 Posts: 21804 Credit: 2,815,091 RAC: 0 |
Ah yes, a 1=3 god. Another person who ascribes multiple absolutes on God, a logical contradiction just like 1=3. One of these days you might wake up and actually think outside the box and stop imposing your ideas of what God should be on God and allow him to be what he chooses and not what you impose. It's not ID's idea. It comes specifically from Scripture. If that upsets you feel free to pick up a bible and yell at it. me@rescam.org |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30593 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
It's not ID's idea. It comes specifically from Scripture. If that upsets you feel free to pick up a bible and yell at it. It is ID who ascribes it and attaches himself to it. |
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