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Message 1251881 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 0:35:50 UTC - in response to Message 1251866.

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Message 1251885 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 0:41:25 UTC - in response to Message 1251866.

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and back to zero you are.

http://www.nutters.org/docs/monkeys

It's interesting this individual was able to debunk Evolution because DING DING DING he just couldn't see it happening reasonably. Sorry but monkeys writing Shakespeare has nothing to do with evolution or biologic science.

This writer basically conflated two separate ideas into one. Also, We don't have Defense Ministers in the US so this was either a Brit trying to sound American or a translation from another language

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Message 1251903 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 2:42:05 UTC - in response to Message 1251884.

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http://www.nutters.org/docs/monkeys

It's interesting this individual was able to debunk Evolution because DING DING DING he just couldn't see it happening reasonably. Sorry but monkeys writing Shakespeare has nothing to do with evolution or biologic science.

This writer basically conflated two separate ideas into one

If you dig a bit there is a link to an alleged CV for the person who wrote it. Claims he has a BS philosophy, makes him an expert in mathematics I'm sure, and he claims to have a PhD, but doesn't say what that is in. Also that page says the site is damaged from a crash in 2007 and will be restored shortly.

Of course Wiki offers a formal proof of the infinite number of monkeys. Yes, to our expectation the probability is low, but if time is infinite then the probability is one or certain. Neat thing about infinities and something very hard for anyone not trained in calculus to grasp.

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Message 1251904 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 2:51:37 UTC - in response to Message 1251903.

Gary, once again you are picking on the mathematically challenged. That person can not understand what you are saying.
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Message 1251907 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 3:21:27 UTC - in response to Message 1251904.

Gary, once again you are picking on the mathematically challenged. That person can not understand what you are saying.

But the low hanging fruit makes such a good snack ;)

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Message 1252112 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 14:46:49 UTC - in response to Message 1252104.

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Message 1252114 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 14:54:13 UTC - in response to Message 1252112.

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North American Right Wingers?
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Message 1252126 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 15:37:53 UTC - in response to Message 1252114.

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North American Right Wingers?

No, the correct term for that is "Ditto Head" or DH or can't say that here.

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Message 1252152 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 17:18:34 UTC - in response to Message 1251903.

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and back to zero you are.

http://www.nutters.org/docs/monkeys

It's interesting this individual was able to debunk Evolution because DING DING DING he just couldn't see it happening reasonably. Sorry but monkeys writing Shakespeare has nothing to do with evolution or biologic science.

This writer basically conflated two separate ideas into one

If you dig a bit there is a link to an alleged CV for the person who wrote it. Claims he has a BS philosophy, makes him an expert in mathematics I'm sure, and he claims to have a PhD, but doesn't say what that is in. Also that page says the site is damaged from a crash in 2007 and will be restored shortly.

Of course Wiki offers a formal proof of the infinite number of monkeys. Yes, to our expectation the probability is low, but if time is infinite then the probability is one or certain. Neat thing about infinities and something very hard for anyone not trained in calculus to grasp.



As I said, you are right back to zero. I don't take posting here lightly. I don't take well to people just pronouncing that they are right and then not give any said proof to back it up. I am not a scientist. I rely on others who are scientist to back me up. The one who wrote that site is NOT alone in his belief. As a matter of FACT Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards dismantled YOUR argument in much the same way. Also countless others have slammed YOUR arguent to the ground in the same way. You are wrong.

There are laws for very large numbers. I really don't care if you think I don't understand calculus. I do. I don't care if you think that calculus answers your questions correctly. I does not.


There are laws for very large numbers. And that number given at the site is indeed a VERY LARGE number. So large it stands right next to zero so claose that YOU cannot tell the differance.

Look up [once again] Hyperreals.

Laws for very large numbers/ Borels Law Scrool up just a tad here first then read on...

You may understand calculus but you seem to stop after that point.

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Message 1252158 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 17:28:13 UTC - in response to Message 1252152.

so large it stands next to zero? REeaalllyyy? again you talk of beliefs and not science. Dismantling a scientific proof is quite difficult. It usually takes more than a few lines and saying "See there it is, I cannot see another possible solution to a problem" as an answer. That is hardly proof positive that something is or isn't correct.

I'll point you to flat landers that still beieve that the earth is flat. they have followers. Are they correct? Just because someone believes something doesn't make it true.

When you conflate to ideas into being one then you just confuse yourself into believing something that isn't proof but is an interesting philosophical argument. Math doesn't use philosophy
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Message 1252161 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 17:32:33 UTC - in response to Message 1252158.
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so large it stands next to zero? REeaalllyyy? again you talk of beliefs and not science. Dismantling a scientific proof is quite difficult. It usually takes more than a few lines and saying "See there it is, I cannot see another possible solution to a problem" as an answer. That is hardly proof positive that something is or isn't correct.

I'll point you to flat landers that still beieve that the earth is flat. they have followers. Are they correct? Just because someone believes something doesn't make it true.

When you conflate to ideas into being one then you just confuse yourself into believing something that isn't proof but is an interesting philosophical argument. Math doesn't use philosophy



Whats a fact Jack is that them two numbers [zero and the one given at the site I posted] walk so close together that when they get up in the morn they get into the same pair of pants.

Show some understanding of the math...

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Message 1252200 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 18:22:35 UTC - in response to Message 1252175.

Guy, as opposed to EAORW (Everything is Absolute, there is Only Right or Wrong), I suppose.

Personally, I do accept there are some absolutes out there and there are certainly some actions which can be classified as Right or Wrong (or should be seen that way by everyone (or nearly everyone anyway).

But I do reject the view that EVERYTHING is Absolute, and that EVERY act or thought is either Right or Wrong.

I perceive the inclination to see all as absolute, all as either right or wrong, as an oversimplification of reality. Making things simple is a good starting point for infants and young children as they grow up and get socialized, but as they mature, it is critical that they learn the world is a more complicated place than that.

I sense you either disagree with this or are at the very least discomfited by the implied relativism embodied by this.

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Message 1252273 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 21:04:45 UTC - in response to Message 1252152.

ID, it is clear that you do not understand Borel's law of large numbers as applied to random chance and infinity. Borel stated that as long as a probability exists and given an infinite number of attempts the event will occur! At least that is what the link you cited states.
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Message 1252284 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 21:29:28 UTC - in response to Message 1252273.

ID, it is clear that you do not understand Borel's law of large numbers as applied to random chance and infinity. Borel stated that as long as a probability exists and given an infinite number of attempts the event will occur! At least that is what the link you cited states.

you could also do the mooWrapper project which is looking to crack secure coding. The project at current rates of work would take about 250 years to process all possible combinations. This isn't infinite.



Whats a fact Jack is that them two numbers [zero and the one given at the site I posted] walk so close together that when they get up in the morn they get into the same pair of pants.

Show some understanding of the math...


so 0.000000000000000000000001 is virtually identical to 0.999999999999999999999999? I'm betting math will tell me this are significantly different numbers. So if I were looking at a precision piece of equipment and it said the tolerances were +/- 0.000000000000001 thats not even close to 1 but it is a lot more than 0. You seem to forget your authors point about the magnitude of numbers.
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