As usual.....

Barry, the Dull One does claim to have some humanity, IIRC he has posted that he cares for feral cats.
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Must be a cultural thing.
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Betreger, I didn't say he lacks humanity, just trying to understand the antagonism he demonstrates to virtually everyone, but of late, more so to me. That he feeds himself is a good thing <smile>.

Barry, the Dull One does claim to have some humanity, IIRC he has posted that he cares for feral cats.

•No messages that are deliberately hostile or insulting.

Why am I not seeing some deletions here?

BarryAZ, no more amendments necessary. All we need is to continue to push the limits of the executive order and then claim judicial activism if the supreme court gets involved.

And it doesn't matter how someone becomes rich. Rich is rich. I recently realized if I don't spend what I've accumulated over the last 3 decades, it's going to be taken away from me soon.

You wouldn't believe how much money I threw away in Las Vegas last week. But BOY, was it FUN!

Back to the topic on hand...

Holder will make a deal to get Issa off his a$$ and the whole "guns for drugs" thing will soon be forgotten by the up coming election. It was an honest attempt to chip away at the 2nd amendment, I'm sure. But there are other ways. For example, we need to do something about out of control 501(c)(3)'s. New laws limiting 501(c)(3)'s need to be made.

The NRA is a 501(c)(3).

Guy, I think you do believe it matters how someone becomes rich. With your background I can not imagine you endorsing drug lords as an example.
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Guy, the important things in Arizona regarding the 2nd amendment include:

Don't restrict the sale of semi-automatic weapons intended to be transported across the border -- that's a restriction of free enterprise as well. A LOT of those guns are south of the border.

Don't restrict the ability of virtually anyone to conceal carry in all sorts of places -- schools, universities, bars, etc.

Guy -- you realize that this would really wreak havoc on Dull's postings.

•No messages that are deliberately hostile or insulting.

I didn't realize that -- sure glad they don't do ANY lobbying -- that would be something of a violation of their tax exempt status. Oh wait, then they could simply be a for profit corporation and show no profit by allocating funds to a superpac and calling a cost of doing business.

Though that would reduce the tax deductions their advocates get.

Then again, the NRA advocates for some things that make them an 'after the fact' NARAL...

The NRA is a 501(c)(3).

betreger, illegal drug money is all the more reason to confiscate it and add it to the general fund at this time. Legalizing all substances (natural and unnatural) and controlling it through taxes is for another thread.

BarryAZ, AZ has an open carry law also--but you already knew this, right? And it's not just the NRA that's preventing progress through the perfectly legal loopholes defined by 26 USC 501(c).

Guy, so it does matter how someone became rich. I quote you "And it doesn't matter how someone becomes rich. Rich is rich."
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Gary, the way I see it, Guy made an all inclusive statement and absolutes like that just don't make sense to me so I pointed that out. Now if that is being provocative then I am speechless.
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Yes, I know they have an open carry law as well.

And I agree, other lobbying organizations impede progress via the loopholes.

But these days, they hardly have to -- Citizens United and corporations are people too (except that it is difficult to imprison corporations when actions they take (they are people too) lead to death and destruction via what for normal people might be criminal negligence.

BarryAZ, AZ has an open carry law also--but you already knew this, right? And it's not just the NRA that's preventing progress through the perfectly legal loopholes defined by 26 USC 501(c).

Ah -- OK -- thanks for that, my faith in the complications of loopholes is restored <rueful smile>.

You know, NARAL ought to reorganize to take advantage of this.

The NRA is not a 501(c)3. The NRA Foundation is a 501(c)3.

The NRA Foundation teaches (gun safety) and guess what, education is a legitimate charitable purpose. Just like teaching bible study is legitimate. Content neutral regulations.

Oh you can look to the ACLU for another example of dual organizations.

Giggle. I am still waiting for a case where people discuss forming a corporation, start drawing up papers and then back out. In Alabama (and apparently with nearly all the candidates in the TeaParty presidential stakes), the participants, by aborting the conversations, are guilty of murder (corporations after all are people too).

hummm ... can't wait for a court the next time some corp has to plead out ...

Judge: Defendant corporation having been found guilty will surrender to be placed in custody, that is the articles of incorporation, the minutes and the corporate seal ...

Gary, the way I see it, Guy made an all inclusive statement and absolutes like that just don't make sense to me so I pointed that out. Now if that is being provocative then I am speechless.

Sometimes you need to let absolute statements go because you know absolute isn't what was meant. Perhaps you did misunderstand the statement to include say becoming rich by confiscating and killing via genocide, but I don't think a reasonable person would make that connection. Of course you could have just asked, including illegal means, but you used a specific example. You baited him. That's my bone with you.