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Message 1248027 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 18:30:17 UTC - in response to Message 1247985.

Barry, the Dull One does claim to have some humanity, IIRC he has posted that he cares for feral cats.
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Message 1248030 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 18:32:28 UTC

That is I believe true, and I happily acknowledge that. Credit where it is due.

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Message 1248051 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 19:18:17 UTC - in response to Message 1248046.

Must be a cultural thing.
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Message 1248078 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 20:26:56 UTC - in response to Message 1248027.

Betreger, I didn't say he lacks humanity, just trying to understand the antagonism he demonstrates to virtually everyone, but of late, more so to me. That he feeds himself is a good thing <smile>.


Barry, the Dull One does claim to have some humanity, IIRC he has posted that he cares for feral cats.

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Message 1248140 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 23:34:42 UTC
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Message 1248143 - Posted: 18 Jun 2012, 23:44:29 UTC - in response to Message 1248140.

Guy, I think you do believe it matters how someone becomes rich. With your background I can not imagine you endorsing drug lords as an example.
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Message 1248159 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 1:15:31 UTC - in response to Message 1248140.

Guy, the important things in Arizona regarding the 2nd amendment include:

Don't restrict the sale of semi-automatic weapons intended to be transported across the border -- that's a restriction of free enterprise as well. A LOT of those guns are south of the border.

Don't restrict the ability of virtually anyone to conceal carry in all sorts of places -- schools, universities, bars, etc.

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Message 1248160 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 1:16:21 UTC - in response to Message 1248140.

Guy -- you realize that this would really wreak havoc on Dull's postings.



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Message 1248161 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 1:19:53 UTC - in response to Message 1248140.

I didn't realize that -- sure glad they don't do ANY lobbying -- that would be something of a violation of their tax exempt status. Oh wait, then they could simply be a for profit corporation and show no profit by allocating funds to a superpac and calling a cost of doing business.

Though that would reduce the tax deductions their advocates get.

Then again, the NRA advocates for some things that make them an 'after the fact' NARAL...




The NRA is a 501(c)(3).


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Message 1248163 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 1:38:49 UTC
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Message 1248174 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 1:54:32 UTC - in response to Message 1248163.

Guy, so it does matter how someone became rich. I quote you "And it doesn't matter how someone becomes rich. Rich is rich."
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Message 1248183 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 2:17:21 UTC - in response to Message 1248161.

I didn't realize that -- sure glad they don't do ANY lobbying -- that would be something of a violation of their tax exempt status. Oh wait, then they could simply be a for profit corporation and show no profit by allocating funds to a superpac and calling a cost of doing business.

Though that would reduce the tax deductions their advocates get.

Then again, the NRA advocates for some things that make them an 'after the fact' NARAL...




The NRA is a 501(c)(3).



The NRA is not a 501(c)3. The NRA Foundation is a 501(c)3.

The NRA Foundation teaches (gun safety) and guess what, education is a legitimate charitable purpose. Just like teaching bible study is legitimate. Content neutral regulations.

Oh you can look to the ACLU for another example of dual organizations.

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Message 1248185 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 2:24:25 UTC - in response to Message 1248174.

Betreger, are you trying to be deliberately provocative? Does everyone have to prefix every statement with, only if it is otherwise legal ... especially as examples were given of ways to become rich all of which were legal ...

Enough with the mud from everyone.


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Message 1248188 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 2:44:44 UTC - in response to Message 1248185.

Gary, the way I see it, Guy made an all inclusive statement and absolutes like that just don't make sense to me so I pointed that out. Now if that is being provocative then I am speechless.
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Message 1248218 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 4:44:19 UTC - in response to Message 1248163.

Yes, I know they have an open carry law as well.

And I agree, other lobbying organizations impede progress via the loopholes.

But these days, they hardly have to -- Citizens United and corporations are people too (except that it is difficult to imprison corporations when actions they take (they are people too) lead to death and destruction via what for normal people might be criminal negligence.




BarryAZ, AZ has an open carry law also--but you already knew this, right? And it's not just the NRA that's preventing progress through the perfectly legal loopholes defined by 26 USC 501(c).


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Message 1248219 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 4:46:45 UTC - in response to Message 1248188.

Gary, the way I see it, Guy made an all inclusive statement and absolutes like that just don't make sense to me so I pointed that out. Now if that is being provocative then I am speechless.

Sometimes you need to let absolute statements go because you know absolute isn't what was meant. Perhaps you did misunderstand the statement to include say becoming rich by confiscating and killing via genocide, but I don't think a reasonable person would make that connection. Of course you could have just asked, including illegal means, but you used a specific example. You baited him. That's my bone with you.

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Message 1248220 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 4:47:00 UTC - in response to Message 1248183.

Ah -- OK -- thanks for that, my faith in the complications of loopholes is restored <rueful smile>.

You know, NARAL ought to reorganize to take advantage of this.





The NRA is not a 501(c)3. The NRA Foundation is a 501(c)3.

The NRA Foundation teaches (gun safety) and guess what, education is a legitimate charitable purpose. Just like teaching bible study is legitimate. Content neutral regulations.

Oh you can look to the ACLU for another example of dual organizations.


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Message 1248222 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 4:53:42 UTC - in response to Message 1248218.

hummm ... can't wait for a court the next time some corp has to plead out ...

Judge: Defendant corporation having been found guilty will surrender to be placed in custody, that is the articles of incorporation, the minutes and the corporate seal ...

Yes, I know they have an open carry law as well.

And I agree, other lobbying organizations impede progress via the loopholes.

But these days, they hardly have to -- Citizens United and corporations are people too (except that it is difficult to imprison corporations when actions they take (they are people too) lead to death and destruction via what for normal people might be criminal negligence.




BarryAZ, AZ has an open carry law also--but you already knew this, right? And it's not just the NRA that's preventing progress through the perfectly legal loopholes defined by 26 USC 501(c).




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Message 1248224 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 4:57:17 UTC - in response to Message 1248222.

Giggle. I am still waiting for a case where people discuss forming a corporation, start drawing up papers and then back out. In Alabama (and apparently with nearly all the candidates in the TeaParty presidential stakes), the participants, by aborting the conversations, are guilty of murder (corporations after all are people too).


hummm ... can't wait for a court the next time some corp has to plead out ...

Judge: Defendant corporation having been found guilty will surrender to be placed in custody, that is the articles of incorporation, the minutes and the corporate seal ...


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Message 1248226 - Posted: 19 Jun 2012, 4:59:25 UTC - in response to Message 1248219.
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Gary, the way I see it, Guy made an all inclusive statement and absolutes like that just don't make sense to me so I pointed that out. Now if that is being provocative then I am speechless.

Sometimes you need to let absolute statements go because you know absolute isn't what was meant. Perhaps you did misunderstand the statement to include say becoming rich by confiscating and killing via genocide, but I don't think a reasonable person would make that connection. Of course you could have just asked, including illegal means, but you used a specific example. You baited him. That's my bone with you.

Gary, no that is what he said! When I see B.S. I'll call B.S.
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