What caused the obesity crisis in the West?

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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7123 Credit: 3,684,129 RAC: 959	Message 1256325 - Posted: 6 Jul 2012, 9:41:05 UTC - in response to Message 1256258.
	... if you don't believe the free market is always good for you, you must be a socialist. With (effective) monopolies and corruption, or even with just plain simple dodgy practices, our "free market" does not have complete and fair freedom... In the name of profits, all and everything is unethically 'fair'?... Is the ruthless fast-foods industry any better than the tobacco industry or the fossil fuels industry? (Note: That is NOT to excuse any of them.) It's all our only world, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10320 Credit: 5,086,514 RAC: 6,357	Message 1256411 - Posted: 6 Jul 2012, 13:43:57 UTC - in response to Message 1256325.
	In the name of profits, all and everything is unethically 'fair'?... Is the ruthless fast-foods industry any better than the tobacco industry or the fossil fuels industry? (Note: That is NOT to excuse any of them.) Fast-food and tobacco industries are bound by the same Fiduciary Duty to the shareholder, to make money every possible way, including immoral ones. There shouldn't be any surprise here. ____________
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BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2480 Credit: 7,442,706 RAC: 13,839	Message 1256557 - Posted: 6 Jul 2012, 18:21:51 UTC - in response to Message 1256411.
	Gary, you may be on to something here. First, to deal with the US budget deficit do the following: 1) Eliminate Medicaid 2) Privatize Medicare 3) Privatize the VA 4) Repeal ACA 5) Eliminate duty of care Then on the corporate side you need to match this with 1) Eliminate all corporate regulation 2) Elimination of Fiduciary Duty to the shareholder Fair's fair. The end result, a better America. Guy (real) would be thrilled, Guy (sarcastic opposite) would be aghast <smile>. Fast-food and tobacco industries are bound by the same Fiduciary Duty to the shareholder, to make money every possible way, including immoral ones. There shouldn't be any surprise here.
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7123 Credit: 3,684,129 RAC: 959	Message 1259343 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 12:51:58 UTC - in response to Message 1256411.
	In the name of profits, all and everything is unethically 'fair'?... Is the ruthless fast-foods industry any better than the tobacco industry or the fossil fuels industry? (Note: That is NOT to excuse any of them.) Fast-food and tobacco industries are bound by the same Fiduciary Duty to the shareholder, to make money every possible way, including immoral ones. There shouldn't be any surprise here. No surprise on this one then: Why food 'traffic-light' labels did not happen Britain came close to adopting a traffic-light system of compulsory food labelling to grade the health impact of food products - but, as Jacques Peretti reports, opposition from within the food industry prevented it happening. ... So, really, ALL and anything despicable is 'fair' except unto themselves?... All on our only planet... Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10320 Credit: 5,086,514 RAC: 6,357	Message 1259428 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:04:34 UTC - in response to Message 1259343.
	So, really, ALL and anything despicable is 'fair' except unto themselves?... Fair plays no part. Fiduciary duty is the only game. ____________
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7123 Credit: 3,684,129 RAC: 959	Message 1259462 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 16:54:47 UTC - in response to Message 1259428.
	So, really, ALL and anything despicable is 'fair' except unto themselves?... Fair plays no part. Fiduciary duty is the only game. That is a very lame and evil non-excuse. So... It's 'ok' to be an assassin if it "pays"?... For example, is this example "good" and "good for profits"?... Nestlé boycott - baby milk scandal Groups such as the International Baby Food Action Network (IBFAN) and Save the Children claim that the promotion of infant formula over breastfeeding has led to health problems and deaths among infants... ... groups and charities have accused Nestlé of unethical methods of promoting infant formula... It is illegal in this country at least to sell fraudulently or to sell shoddy goods or goods that cause harm... Why should the food industry be exempt? All in our world, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 660 Credit: 62,144 RAC: 89	Message 1259494 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 17:29:36 UTC - in response to Message 1255438.
	I found the secret to weight loss. I'll let you guys in on it. I call it the U.S. Marine Corps weight loss program. It consists of three things. 1) Eat less 2) Exercise more 3) Some public humiliation #3 requires precise timing and a U.S. Marine wearing a smokey-the-bear hat to come up to you at the dinner table just as you start eye-balling dessert and to yell loudly and clearly in a raspy voice, "HAVE ANOTHER DONUT FATBOY!" in front of all your friends, family and who ever else happens to be within ear shot. It's working for me. The Patient Protection and Affordable Health Care Act is getting ready to have a positive effect on obesity in America in a few years also. This is basically what I think. People with low or no self control want to blame anything or anyone else for their lack of self control. If you are too fat simply stop eating so much. ____________ Bob DeWoody
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10320 Credit: 5,086,514 RAC: 6,357	Message 1259508 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 17:43:06 UTC - in response to Message 1259462.
	So, really, ALL and anything despicable is 'fair' except unto themselves?... Fair plays no part. Fiduciary duty is the only game. That is a very lame and evil non-excuse. It isn't an excuse, it is the law, at least in this country. So... It's 'ok' to be an assassin if it "pays"?... For example, is this example "good" and "good for profits"?... Nestlé boycott - baby milk scandal Groups such as the International Baby Food Action Network (IBFAN) and Save the Children claim that the promotion of infant formula over breastfeeding has led to health problems and deaths among infants... ... groups and charities have accused Nestlé of unethical methods of promoting infant formula... It is illegal in this country at least to sell fraudulently or to sell shoddy goods or goods that cause harm... Why should the food industry be exempt? All in our world, Martin They are exempt because you gave them license to be exempt. If you don't think you did, then bring an action. Carping just creates hot air and adds to global warming. ____________
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,281,955 RAC: 672	Message 1259934 - Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 18:46:08 UTC
	Well at least I'm safe enough.... ..according to the BBC Fat Calculator anyway...... ____________
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7123 Credit: 3,684,129 RAC: 959	Message 1260251 - Posted: 14 Jul 2012, 11:43:07 UTC - in response to Message 1259934.
	You from Bangladesh?! More interestingly: Why Bangladesh??... ... And I've obviously enjoyed a few more beers over the years! ;-) Cheers, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6689 Credit: 1,281,955 RAC: 672	Message 1260255 - Posted: 14 Jul 2012, 11:47:40 UTC - in response to Message 1260251.
	You from Bangladesh?! Nope More interestingly: Why Bangladesh??...that's what I'd like to know ... And I've obviously enjoyed a few more beers over the years! ;-)Yep, same here Cheers, Martin ____________
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7123 Credit: 3,684,129 RAC: 959	Message 1260683 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 15:58:02 UTC - in response to Message 1260255.
	More interestingly: Why Bangladesh??...that's what I'd like to know Perhaps no "fast-food" outlets?... And no fast-food Marketing? Cheers, Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,229,992 RAC: 1,835	Message 1260939 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 1:50:39 UTC - in response to Message 1256146.
	The free market at work. There is a reason it is called the boob tube ... Looks kinda flat to me. The previous TV was more bodacious, but told me I did not prefer that.
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Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 8871 Credit: 1,229,992 RAC: 1,835	Message 1260940 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 1:57:11 UTC - in response to Message 1259494.
	This is basically what I think. People with low or no self control want to blame anything or anyone else for their lack of self control. If you are too fat simply stop eating so much. But not enough control to avoid The Chronic. ;) The 60s are over ... dude.
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Gary Charpentier Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 10320 Credit: 5,086,514 RAC: 6,357	Message 1260973 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 4:40:04 UTC
	Q) What caused the obesity crisis in the West? A) Think of all the poor starving children in [insert country here] Momma and Dadda taught you well. Clean that plate. Now when big bad food company puts 1.5 servings in a can ... you get fat. ____________
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2686 Credit: 1,507,320 RAC: 1,401	Message 1264480 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 16:28:10 UTC
	Too much sugar and salt added to our processed foods. You can't really go by the calorie counts on any product details as written on their products package labels. I have a can of Heinz baked beans, a can of Sainsbury's reduced sugar and salt baked beans plus a can of Sainsbury's Basic brand baked beans. The following is the stated calories per 100 grams. Heinz.................................79/100 grams Sainsbury's reduced sugar and salt....90/100 grams Sainsbury's Basic.....................49/100 grams. What's wrong here? The Sainsbury's reduced sugar and salt beans have more calories per 100 grams than the Heinz beans do yet the Sainsbury's beans show on the label as has having much less sugar and salt in them than the Heinz one's do? Anyway, if you eat foods with less sugar and salt in them like the Sainsbury's Basic brands has then you can eat heartily and without getting fat. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
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Ex Volunteer moderator Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 2883 Credit: 1,158,649 RAC: 840	Message 1265419 - Posted: 29 Jul 2012, 4:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 1260973.
	Q) What caused the obesity crisis in the West? A) Think of all the poor starving children in [insert country here] Momma and Dadda taught you well. Clean that plate. Now when big bad food company puts 1.5 servings in a can ... you get fat. If someone ever invents a teleporter the first use should be in kitchens to send leftovers to 3rd world countries. :-) ____________ -Dave #2 3.2.0-33
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7123 Credit: 3,684,129 RAC: 959	Message 1296873 - Posted: 19 Oct 2012, 12:28:32 UTC - in response to Message 1245825.
	Is this where Big Food Industry gets it's just deserts? Big Tobacco lawyers target food industry The lawyers who took on the big US tobacco companies, and won, have now set their sights on the food industry. I wonder if the Tobacco Industry Marketeers are also plying their immoral devious trade for food aswel as Fossil Fuels? Also, when might campaigning lawyers take on the Fossil Fuels industry?... All on our only world, Martin Not sure if this one is better placed for the Cafe...! :-( What caused the obesity crisis in the West? ... one thing that has changed is the food we eat, and, more specifically, the sheer amount of sugar we ingest. ... ... a highly sweet by-product of waste corn, was also incredibly cheap. It began being used in every conceivable food - pizzas, coleslaw, meat. It provided a "just baked" sheen on bread and cakes. By the mid 1980s, corn syrup had replaced sugar in fizzy soft drinks... ... when the liver is overloaded with sugars, leptin simply stops working, and as a result the body doesn't know when it's full. "It makes your brain think you're starving and now what you have is a vicious cycle of consumption, disease and addiction. Which explains what has happened the world over,"... Addictively sweeter than refined sugar... All far far from sweet... Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 8942 Credit: 36,597,016 RAC: 59,154	Message 1296907 - Posted: 19 Oct 2012, 16:02:20 UTC - in response to Message 1259934.
	Well at least I'm safe enough.... ..according to the BBC Fat Calculator anyway...... BMI is a bunch of Hooey. A few years ago I checked my BMI while being an avid bicycle rider(200 miles a week) My BMI was 31. a man that is 6'5" and 240 but with less than 10% body fat is considered obese. Its an absurd measurement. ____________ Proud member of TSWB. End terrorism by building a school
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,011,635 RAC: 55,889	Message 1296967 - Posted: 19 Oct 2012, 19:47:38 UTC - in response to Message 1296907.
	Part of the problem is that everyone uses these online BMI tools which are not fully accurate. You need to visit your doctor so they can accurately measure your BMI. Yes, they did move the goal posts by redefining what everyone's BMI is, and I agree that it put a whole lot of people into the obese category that wasn't necessary. However, I have noticed a lot more overweight/obese people out there lately. My last trip to Olive Garden was filled with people who could only be considered obese by any standard (not the new BMI).
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