Teachers are necessary, tell me why we need an over bloated civil service - Aren't they a drain on taxpayers as well as benefit scroungers?

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IN OKLAHOMA there is federal income tax, state income tax. and county sales tax

as well as county property tax to support schools.

the city's also collect some of the sales tax.

standard deduction for Single person is 6,100 dollars

the poverty the federal guideline for Oklahoma is 11,450

so if you are poor in Oklahoma the state and the fed will tax half your income

as well as the county and city taxing all of it.

The state may, but the fed will give you welfare called the Earned Income Tax Credit.

my room mate makes less than poverty level and makes to much for that as do I.

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Teachers are necessary, tell me why we need an over bloated civil service - Aren't they a drain on taxpayers as well as benefit scroungers?

Because most of the time different parts of the civil service are giving out contradictory orders. Which then takes many meetings probably chaired by another department to get order restored.

Example.
When I was in Shetland, after many orders to cut costs we were having meetings once a month in London about the supply of reliable power to our station and other parties who also used the hilltop. These meetings started at 09:30 and finished about 15:30 usually on Thursdays.

When they started we worked most of Wednesday, then got a late afternoon flight to Aberdeen and the last shuttle to London. Stayed overnight in the Chevrons club, attended the meeting, went out to Heathrow caught the return shuttle and the last flight into Shetland. And worked Friday.

Then the transport people said the plane journeys are too expensive, you must use the ferries and trains. First the ferry leaves Tuesday, and second because it is overnight they forgot you had to add on the costs of meals and cabins. So no work Wednesday, instead travel all day on train, with added cost of lunch etc.

Thursday attend meeting, but have to then waste several hours before catching the sleeper, added cost, train to Aberdeen. Couldn't use the Friday daytime train, it arrived too late to catch the ferry back to Shetland. Friday wasted all day from about 09:00 until 15:00 when you could go on board ferry. Again added costs of meals and cabin.

Result was we lost 2 days work per month, and the overall cost of the journey was greater. But of course the transport department didn't see that because they didn't pay accomadation and meal costs.

Teachers are necessary, tell me why we need an over bloated civil service - Aren't they a drain on taxpayers as well as benefit scroungers?

Because most of the time different parts of the civil service are giving out contradictory orders. Which then takes many meetings probably chaired by another department to get order restored.

Example.
When I was in Shetland, after many orders to cut costs we were having meetings once a month in London about the supply of reliable power to our station and other parties who also used the hilltop. These meetings started at 09:30 and finished about 15:30 usually on Thursdays.

When they started we worked most of Wednesday, then got a late afternoon flight to Aberdeen and the last shuttle to London. Stayed overnight in the Chevrons club, attended the meeting, went out to Heathrow caught the return shuttle and the last flight into Shetland. And worked Friday



Then the transport people said the plane journeys are too expensive, you must use the ferries and trains. First the ferry leaves Tuesday, and second because it is overnight they forgot you had to add on the costs of meals and cabins. So no work Wednesday, instead travel all day on train, with added cost of lunch etc.

Thursday attend meeting, but have to then waste several hours before catching the sleeper, added cost, train to Aberdeen. Couldn't use the Friday daytime train, it arrived too late to catch the ferry back to Shetland. Friday wasted all day from about 09:00 until 15:00 when you could go on board ferry. Again added costs of meals and cabin.

Result was we lost 2 days work per month, and the overall cost of the journey was greater. But of course the transport department didn't see that because they didn't pay accomadation and meal costs.

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video conferencing mabe?

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In all cases, NI and any pension payments are deducted from your total earnings, including any tax allowances, and income tax is only payable upon the rest. So yes, I do pay tax on my pensions, as does everybody else, as they were received tax free at source.

Actually Chris the accountancy mob see it quite differently and call NI a tax.
Mainly because it makes no difference to your overall gross salary in which
order either NI or income tax are applied first. This is because NI is applied
as a percentage of your pay post any allowances.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

tell me why we need an over bloated civil service - Aren't they a drain on taxpayers as well as benefit scroungers?

That is just just your own opinion. Obviously we need a permanent Civil Service, which maintains the fabric of the country, whilst politicians and their parties come and go. Of course we all accept that they are over staffed and inefficient, but more changes have been made over the last 20 years than the last 100 years, and will continue to happen at an ever growing pace, as they get dragged into the 21C. We all know that you have a bee in your bonnet about this particular issue, but it doesn't help your cause by using untrue flowery language to try to get your point across.

Perhaps you might like to write to all the Permanent Secretaries and accuse them of being benefit scroungers, I can supply you with the necessary addresses if need be, and I would be really interested to read any replies that you might receive back.

Should I got caught committing credit card fraud I'm looking at a custodial sentence.....

...Tell me "Ministeeer", any snivel serpents imprisoned for defrauding the taxpayer using Government Credit Cards? It's been reported that several high ranking PPS's have been caught & their answer was?

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Should I got caught committing credit card fraud I'm looking at a custodial sentence.....

...Tell me "Ministeeer", any snivel serpents imprisoned for defrauding the taxpayer using Government Credit Cards? It's been reported that several high ranking PPS's have been caught & their answer was?

.....Errr? "A simple error of judgement for I was carles and didn't realise
I was using the wrong credit card"

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

make the government cards bright florescent orange so not only can everybody see

but they can not be mistaken for anything else.

then the error in judgment shoul;d mean real jail time.

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With muppets like this in charge, the tax fiddles will continue......

Tax Chief faces the Sack!

4 years in the UKBA & paid this?

"Ms Homer was paid almost £1 million in salary and bonuses during her time at the beleaguered agency. She is now paid £180,000 a year as head of HMRC."

Welcome to sunny Britain where success is ridiculed & failure is rewarded!

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uhh，interesting！

Tax evasion now an industry......

Vast web of tax evasion exposed

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Another one to add to the growing list of thieves........

NPower under fire

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What does the average country lose more money by?

Illegal tax evasion

Immoral tax avoidance

Does that matter? Both should be tackled harshly....

Edit:

..& so should the coalition......

Fleeced Twice

"But I don’t think Mr Cameron should feel too relaxed. The energy giants are every bit as bad as the banks. And the truth is that this Government is in cahoots with them."

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About time!

..but why wait until the autumn? Start now!

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Sirus, it is not the companies fault that sovereign countries,the US included, have lax tax laws that the companies exploit. It is long past time to address this situation.

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Apple’s Web of Tax Shelters Saved It Billions, Panel Finds

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/business/apple-avoided-billions-in-taxes-congressional-panel-says.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130521&_r=0

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Guy, as a former business owner/operator I do not think of my self as a communist, my actions have spoken for my position. As a retired Air Force officer you are one who lived off of my taxes, what actions have you performed that show free enterprise?
Enough anger over you questioning my motivations.
The answer to your question is I believe that when one lives and benefits from a society they should contribute in proportion to the benefit they accrue. That would help pay for your retirement and current salary teaching at a community college so the rest of us don't have to contribute disproportionately to the benefits we have accrued.

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Guy,

So how am I supposed to know what your actions have been in the past?

Since you admit you don't know I guess an ad hominem attack makes sense.

1) Apple is not contributing in proportion to their benefits? They are following the law. You escaped my question, so I'll assume you want the tax code to be made MORE obfuscated and confusing. I disagree. I believe it needs to be made simpler in order to be fairer. Adding to its tens of thousands of pages already will only make it more unfair. This is what communists do--make it more unfair and then announce on public controlled media that it was just made more fair.

I did not at all claim that what Apple and many others are doing is illegal. In fact I all I stated was a desire for proportionality. I think all except the tax lawyers and accountants would like to see a change in the code.

2) Where my retirement/salary comes from... My retirement and current salary are fully funded. To insinuate my retirement and my current salary would benefit from Apple paying more than the current law dictates they pay would ease the pressure on my retirement and current salary is misleading. This is exactly the tactic of your beloved dictator/regime. Attack what is visible to the public and fully fund the hidden fraud/waste/abuse. I vehemently disagree. If military retirement is a drain on society, then we need to change the rules for those who have yet to take the oath. To use it as an excuse to raise taxes now is exactly the opposite of what is good and best for society.

DOD retirement benefits are a big part of the defense budget. I did not say your retirement is a drain, and changing the rules that allow gross tax avoidance is raising taxes, it is just levying what is due in order to fund what needs to be done, including your making a lifetime of living on publicly funded service.

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