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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Vic, Rob I did no such conversion, I said 1/2"ID, nothing else, so don't put words in My mouth ok?? Let's see: Kinking... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6652 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
The coolant I use is Feser One. It can be bought cheaper at different places, such as Frozen CPU. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
There's always right angle connectors like so(now that My browser is working again, FB is trying to push Timeline on Me and It's doing weird stuff to My browser I think)... This connector might be too short to deal with this tubing... Enzotech may work though(Performance PCs is where I found this at). The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
The coolant I use is Feser One. They are less expensive than Performance PCs, Frozen CPU also has this in Black too($7.95), PPC is out of stock($19.95)... Performance PCs return policy is terrible, once Ya buy something that's it, it's Yours, but for some things I put up with that policy... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
This connector might be too short to deal with this tubing... Enzotech may work though(Performance PCs is where I found this at). The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Vic, all he was saying is the internal dimensions on the drawing you posted do not match. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
Area 51 Send message Joined: 31 Jan 04 Posts: 965 Credit: 42,193,520 RAC: 0 |
The coolant I use is Feser One. I think the algae issue was more to do with people using distilled water as a coolant, and not adding an inhibitor. Asking for trouble really - a dark, warm environment..... I think the essential thing is to choose a coolant that is known NOT to react (electrolytically) with your surfaces, has an algae inhibitor and for which you struggle to find someone who has had a problem. Let someone else do the testing for you.. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22200 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Rob I did no such conversion, I said 1/2"ID, nothing else, so don't put words in My mouth ok?? Vic,I didn't suggest you did the conversion, but I would be very wary buying tube from someone who makes such a basic mistake. 1x tube diameter is generally adequate at low pressure if the clamps squeeze the whole tube diameter, and not just crush a bit of it, so the Enzotech ones, with a 15mm "landing zone" for a 12.7mm bore tube is on the right side. The clamps from Koolance look good as they appear to be well designed, and should be well up to the task. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Area 51 Send message Joined: 31 Jan 04 Posts: 965 Credit: 42,193,520 RAC: 0 |
There's always right angle connectors True - but apart from dimensional difficulties, you should try and minimise the use of right angled fittings. Your coolant will not flow through them smoothly - it will essentially slam up against a metal wall, and then through the sheer force of the pump, find its way through the direction change after loosing some velocity and creating some turbulence. Gentle curves are good - they will impede flow rates far less. Not so tidy perhaps, but the whole purpose of watercooling is efficient cooling. Looking good is secondary. You will need to remain flexible when it comes to the actual plumbing, as you will find that some tube routes that looked sensible in an empty case are in reality, impractical or just pure impossible. Sometimes, you will have no option, but if you can avoid right angles, it will be for the better. Watercooling is fun - honest! I spent hours staring at my case imagining how it was going to work - and very little of my planning turned into reality (and that's with narrow, flexible tubing). you will probably find that despite your best efforts, you will not be able to quantify every twist and turn prior to the actual work, and will change plan several times during the build itslef. Part of the 'fun' of this sort of work is being creative....... |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Rob I did no such conversion, I said 1/2"ID, nothing else, so don't put words in My mouth ok?? Ok. Well all I see in 1/2"ID(that's how the tubing is labeled, even from Tygon) is 3/4"OD, unless I were to go clear and I don't want that... Tygon R3400 1/2" ID (3/4" OD) UV Resistant Tubing- Black $3.59 per foot... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
There's always right angle connectors Yes, I guess it is, to some, maybe I just don't see the fun... How's this? Bitspower G 1/4" Matte Black Triple Rotary 90 Degree 1/2" Barb Fitting $21.95 each...(from PPC only as far as I can tell, in the US at least). The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
The coolant I use is Feser One. any recommendations? Note: Silver Killcoil is out as EK blocks with Nickel plating prior to EN blocks(I don't have any EK EN blocks) degrade or erode from what I've read and I don't want that... EN is Enhanced Nickle, EK changed their process somehow. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Area 51 Send message Joined: 31 Jan 04 Posts: 965 Credit: 42,193,520 RAC: 0 |
any recommendations? Note: Silver Killcoil is out as EK blocks with Nickel plating prior to EN blocks(I don't have any EK EN blocks) degrade or erode from what I've read and I don't want that... EN is Enhanced Nickle, EK changed their process somehow. Let me get back to you on that. I would need to re-read your parts list and do some Googling. Next week is a busy week work-wise and I need my beauty sleep for it so I'm off to bed for tonight. I'll have a look over the next couple of days and see if I can come up with a list of stuff to avoid, and stuff that I would be happy to use. I do however know that EK changed their plating process because some coolants were reacting with the finished surface and stripping off the plating. This is one reason why using pure copper waterblocks is never a bad thing (ask yourself why plumbers still like copper) ;-) It will be worth it all in the end - honest! |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
any recommendations? Note: Silver Killcoil is out as EK blocks with Nickel plating prior to EN blocks(I don't have any EK EN blocks) degrade or erode from what I've read and I don't want that... EN is Enhanced Nickle, EK changed their process somehow. Turns out 2 of My blocks are the newer EN, the other 590 and the motherboard and cpu are plain nickel... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Bitspower G 1/4" Matte Black Triple Rotary 90 Degree 1/2" Barb Fitting($21.95) This is from PPC only as far as I can tell, in the US at least. Enzotech may work though(Performance PCs is where I found this at). Enzotech BRCPS-G1/4-12 90 Degree Rotary Fitting G 1/4 Thread - Matte Black($7.50) I'm going to buy one of the right angle Enzotech parts and one of the Bitspower rotary parts, I'm concerned that one or both of the parts may not fit between two water block equipped 590 video cards, both of these parts look like their over 1" in height, the Enzotech part is just 1mm over 1" in height when mounted on a block, I'll be lucky if it were to fit and Me without two extra GTX590 cards(02/01/2013 & 08/01/2013, that's the best I can do too), crap... Then there's this one a Bitspower G1/4 Matte Black Dual Rotary Angle IG1/4" Extender($16.95), it doesn't have a barb connector, but I have plenty of those... For all 3 fittings that's $46.40 before shipping. I made this up as two parallel loops, with 2 Bitspower Premium 1" Version Black Matte D-Plug Sets($8.50) between each pair of cards, maybe, 4 total of course. If the above doesn't fit maybe this Bitspower Premium Mini Black Sparkle D-Plug Set might($6.95), I've no idea exactly what size this is in height, but it's less than 1". The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22200 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Your coolant will not flow through them smoothly - it will essentially slam up against a metal wall, and then through the sheer force of the pump, find its way through the direction change after loosing some velocity and creating some turbulence Area51, I just love your description of the passage of a fluid round a sharp right angle bend - having seen the damage that was done to the inside of a "small" (250mm bore) ultra-high pressure steam pipe bend I can say it is pretty accurate! Wherever possible nice gentle curves are the best as you keep the flow non-turbulent. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Your coolant will not flow through them smoothly - it will essentially slam up against a metal wall, and then through the sheer force of the pump, find its way through the direction change after loosing some velocity and creating some turbulence Well I must say others Here([H]ardOCP) don't seem to think it makes any difference, besides it may be that nothing much over 1" will fit between 2 cards, One part is 26mm in height or 1.02362", that isn't a lot of room, since We're talking about 4 cards in 2 loops, so I'm thinking the triple rotary won't fit at all, I was planning on buying some to unite the motherboard block and the cpu where a pair should fit. Like Flexion below says about the 90 degree fittings. Flexion Hard Gawd 8.1 Years wrote: I have the bitspower rotating 90 degree compression fittings in my rig. There are 5 of them. I don't have any data comparing the difference with and without, but I can say it doesn't decrease my performance drastically. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Area 51 Send message Joined: 31 Jan 04 Posts: 965 Credit: 42,193,520 RAC: 0 |
Not quite: I don't have any data comparing the difference with and without, but I can say it doesn't decrease my performance drastically. The point I was making is that you should try and avoid introducing extra bottlenecks to colant flow. If you need them to achieve your goals, fine, but if you can think of a way of avoiding their use so much the better. Regarding the QR couplings for 1/2" Tygon tubing, Aquatuning recommended this fitting: http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p5788_Phobya-quick-release-co You would need to add 2 of your fave' tube attachments to each coupling, since the QR couplings terminate in a female G 1/4" thread. Coolant is looking, err interesting. Still reading, but there appear to be a small number of recurring good stories which should result in a short list of sensible alternatives. Get back to you over the next few days on that though. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Not quite: Cool, saved that link to amazon, I've bought from aquatuning.us before, their good... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65746 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Well UPS delivered My New 250GB Velociraptor hdd from WD that was exchanged for a defective 150GB Raptor hdd, this will go into the New PC... A Sata 3 hdd @ 10,000rpn and yes it's registered to Me already... The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
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