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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20283 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
The point being lazyness rulez in security holes. SHA1 is O/S independent. ... Exactly so... The SHA1 problem is a very old one... And lazyness is also OS independent. Also to be thrown in with that are rush jobs and deadlines forcing 'lazyness'-like compromises... Unfortunately, often the afterthought patch-and-mend then becomes very expensive for everyone as a retrofit or just for the cost of repeated 'updates'... KISS? Or doesn't that fit in with "feature rich" Marketing?... Just a few thoughts ;-) IT is still what we make it... Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
ICO reopens Google case No, you can't trust the default settings of the software in your router. BFD. The idiots asked -- no begged -- for the data to be taken. I mean, we have laws against recreational drugs, does it stop it? So why would you expect a law against a radio receiver to stop it? |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
ICO reopens Google case Well, you are half right, however very negative. Default settings DO need to be more secure than they are. Perhaps wifi should be disabled until it is setup with a password by the user? (But then some people would just bring the router back to the store for fear of it being broken). Point is, Google kinda screwed up, router manufacturers are not helping, and people kinda screwed up, improvements should be considered on all fronts. #resist |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Point is, Google kinda screwed up, router manufacturers are not helping, and people kinda screwed up, improvements should be considered on all fronts. Well, yes, I doubt the engineer who wrote it was at all familiar with the law overseas that prevented what is legal in the USA. Most likely every person up the chain didn't realize that either. So when it got to the lawyers who might have, it was so buried they missed it. Now prove that it was intentional and not ignorance. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Point is, Google kinda screwed up, router manufacturers are not helping, and people kinda screwed up, improvements should be considered on all fronts. Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. Name the person, time, place and crime. I think that is going to be beyond the ability to do. You will find the truth is the chain of command did not get the whole truth until afterwards. Besides are you going to haul a person who has never set foot in your country in front of a judge for this? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. The USA seems to be doing exactly that with Brits. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. And you are extraditing? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. Me? No but the muppets in charge are. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. You are correct it may be hard to place blame on a specific person. However Google as a corporation violated European law, regardless of who specifically is responsible. Negligent law breaking is still law breaking. Google as an entity is "who" is responsible. (They can decide who to blame within their organization, but they as a company have to answer for what happened) person: Google inc. time(s): whenever their vans were driving around Europe place(s): every place their vans were crime: Unlawful collection of radio data (Or whatever their law is called) Seems like a pretty solid case to me... #resist |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law. Almost but not quite. Criminal cases need to be a bit more specific. Going to have to cite an exact date and location and where the radio source came from, at least one specific instance to support the rest. Cite Google UK, Google insert country. Then prove that it was Google UK and not another Google that was responsible. I suppose much of Europe does not offer protection against self incrimination -- forced confession -- so the state can use as evidence the data Google turned over. Remember they asked Google to destroy the data and presumably they did. Makes it hard to point at something to show the jurors. Reality is the fine might cover the cost of the investigation and a stern lecture from the judge to not do it again. On the defense side, Google will cite that every iPhone and Android phone user is also violating the non-interception law and that they aren't being prosecuted so it is a selective prosecution. Government might not want to go forward. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Just reaffirms the thread title. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Microsoft MAJOR announcement Monday -- maybe they're going to FINALLY quit supporting XP. It's about time... Rumor is that Windows 8 is going to be released this fall. Windows XP extended support ends in April 2014. Windows 8 should be released in August or November. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30648 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Windows phones and tablets. Ho Hum. Windows buys Comcast, only windows media content will be allowed to be downloaded on Comcast internet connections. |
Terror Australis Send message Joined: 14 Feb 04 Posts: 1817 Credit: 262,693,308 RAC: 44 |
For those who wanted it. The url for AVG Free is http://free.avg.com This will usually redirect to your local AVG site. T.A. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20283 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
For those who wanted it. The url for... free and freedom for your computer to be yours to use as you wish is: http://distrowatch.com/ for all the latest Linux, BSD, and other (free/freedom) distro releases. This will usually redirect... you to the various distro sites to freely download any/all distros that might take your interest. (No anti-virus needed as none exist in the wild. (For the sake of the pedants: (as yet as has been the case so far for *nix since the dawn of computing)). IT is what we make it, :-) Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
May I remind all that this thread is in regards to "Trusting Software" not a "my O/S is bigger than your O/S". There are various threads regarding O/S's, use them! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I stated already & I do not want this thread locked, please keep O/S wars out of it. THANK YOU. I have yet to red-x anyone & do not wish to do so, but there are limits. |
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