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Message 1243101 - Posted: 7 Jun 2012, 22:51:55 UTC - in response to Message 1243061.  

The point being lazyness rulez in security holes. SHA1 is O/S independent. ...

Exactly so... The SHA1 problem is a very old one...

And lazyness is also OS independent.

Also to be thrown in with that are rush jobs and deadlines forcing 'lazyness'-like compromises... Unfortunately, often the afterthought patch-and-mend then becomes very expensive for everyone as a retrofit or just for the cost of repeated 'updates'...


KISS? Or doesn't that fit in with "feature rich" Marketing?...


Just a few thoughts ;-)

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Message 1245193 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 0:33:04 UTC

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Message 1245213 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 3:26:49 UTC - in response to Message 1245193.  

ICO reopens Google case

No, you can't trust the default settings of the software in your router. BFD. The idiots asked -- no begged -- for the data to be taken. I mean, we have laws against recreational drugs, does it stop it? So why would you expect a law against a radio receiver to stop it?

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Message 1245245 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 5:56:09 UTC - in response to Message 1245213.  

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No, you can't trust the default settings of the software in your router. BFD. The idiots asked -- no begged -- for the data to be taken. I mean, we have laws against recreational drugs, does it stop it? So why would you expect a law against a radio receiver to stop it?

Well, you are half right, however very negative.

Default settings DO need to be more secure than they are. Perhaps wifi should be disabled until it is setup with a password by the user? (But then some people would just bring the router back to the store for fear of it being broken). Point is, Google kinda screwed up, router manufacturers are not helping, and people kinda screwed up, improvements should be considered on all fronts.
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Message 1245357 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 14:02:05 UTC - in response to Message 1245245.  

Point is, Google kinda screwed up, router manufacturers are not helping, and people kinda screwed up, improvements should be considered on all fronts.

Well, yes, I doubt the engineer who wrote it was at all familiar with the law overseas that prevented what is legal in the USA. Most likely every person up the chain didn't realize that either. So when it got to the lawyers who might have, it was so buried they missed it. Now prove that it was intentional and not ignorance.

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Message 1245368 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 15:19:19 UTC - in response to Message 1245357.  

Point is, Google kinda screwed up, router manufacturers are not helping, and people kinda screwed up, improvements should be considered on all fronts.

Well, yes, I doubt the engineer who wrote it was at all familiar with the law overseas that prevented what is legal in the USA. Most likely every person up the chain didn't realize that either. So when it got to the lawyers who might have, it was so buried they missed it. Now prove that it was intentional and not ignorance.



Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.
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Message 1245391 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 16:38:06 UTC - in response to Message 1245368.  

Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.

Name the person, time, place and crime. I think that is going to be beyond the ability to do. You will find the truth is the chain of command did not get the whole truth until afterwards. Besides are you going to haul a person who has never set foot in your country in front of a judge for this?

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Message 1245395 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 16:41:38 UTC - in response to Message 1245391.  

Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.

Name the person, time, place and crime. I think that is going to be beyond the ability to do. You will find the truth is the chain of command did not get the whole truth until afterwards. Besides are you going to haul a person who has never set foot in your country in front of a judge for this?


The USA seems to be doing exactly that with Brits.
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Message 1245404 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 16:56:43 UTC - in response to Message 1245395.  

Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.

Name the person, time, place and crime. I think that is going to be beyond the ability to do. You will find the truth is the chain of command did not get the whole truth until afterwards. Besides are you going to haul a person who has never set foot in your country in front of a judge for this?


The USA seems to be doing exactly that with Brits.

And you are extraditing?

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Message 1245405 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 16:57:52 UTC - in response to Message 1245404.  

Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.

Name the person, time, place and crime. I think that is going to be beyond the ability to do. You will find the truth is the chain of command did not get the whole truth until afterwards. Besides are you going to haul a person who has never set foot in your country in front of a judge for this?


The USA seems to be doing exactly that with Brits.

And you are extraditing?


Me? No but the muppets in charge are.
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Message 1245415 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 17:11:41 UTC - in response to Message 1245391.  
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Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.

Name the person, time, place and crime. I think that is going to be beyond the ability to do. You will find the truth is the chain of command did not get the whole truth until afterwards. Besides are you going to haul a person who has never set foot in your country in front of a judge for this?

You are correct it may be hard to place blame on a specific person. However Google as a corporation violated European law, regardless of who specifically is responsible.

Negligent law breaking is still law breaking. Google as an entity is "who" is responsible. (They can decide who to blame within their organization, but they as a company have to answer for what happened)

person: Google inc.
time(s): whenever their vans were driving around Europe
place(s): every place their vans were
crime: Unlawful collection of radio data (Or whatever their law is called)

Seems like a pretty solid case to me...
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Message 1245551 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 21:13:31 UTC - in response to Message 1245415.  

Don't know what your laws state over there, but here, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.

Name the person, time, place and crime. I think that is going to be beyond the ability to do. You will find the truth is the chain of command did not get the whole truth until afterwards. Besides are you going to haul a person who has never set foot in your country in front of a judge for this?

You are correct it may be hard to place blame on a specific person. However Google as a corporation violated European law, regardless of who specifically is responsible.

Negligent law breaking is still law breaking. Google as an entity is "who" is responsible. (They can decide who to blame within their organization, but they as a company have to answer for what happened)

person: Google inc.
time(s): whenever their vans were driving around Europe
place(s): every place their vans were
crime: Unlawful collection of radio data (Or whatever their law is called)

Seems like a pretty solid case to me...

Almost but not quite. Criminal cases need to be a bit more specific. Going to have to cite an exact date and location and where the radio source came from, at least one specific instance to support the rest.

Cite Google UK, Google insert country. Then prove that it was Google UK and not another Google that was responsible. I suppose much of Europe does not offer protection against self incrimination -- forced confession -- so the state can use as evidence the data Google turned over. Remember they asked Google to destroy the data and presumably they did. Makes it hard to point at something to show the jurors.

Reality is the fine might cover the cost of the investigation and a stern lecture from the judge to not do it again.

On the defense side, Google will cite that every iPhone and Android phone user is also violating the non-interception law and that they aren't being prosecuted so it is a selective prosecution. Government might not want to go forward.

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Message 1245553 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 21:15:49 UTC - in response to Message 1245551.  

Just reaffirms the thread title.
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Message 1247453 - Posted: 17 Jun 2012, 16:36:10 UTC - in response to Message 1247393.  

Microsoft MAJOR announcement Monday -- maybe they're going to FINALLY quit supporting XP. It's about time... Rumor is that Windows 8 is going to be released this fall.


Windows XP extended support ends in April 2014.

Windows 8 should be released in August or November.
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Message 1247456 - Posted: 17 Jun 2012, 16:38:37 UTC

Windows phones and tablets. Ho Hum.

Windows buys Comcast, only windows media content will be allowed to be downloaded on Comcast internet connections.

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Message 1247467 - Posted: 17 Jun 2012, 17:07:23 UTC
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For those who wanted it. The url for AVG Free is

http://free.avg.com

This will usually redirect to your local AVG site.

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Message 1247628 - Posted: 17 Jun 2012, 21:26:33 UTC - in response to Message 1247467.  
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For those who wanted it. The url for...

free and freedom for your computer to be yours to use as you wish is:

http://distrowatch.com/

for all the latest Linux, BSD, and other (free/freedom) distro releases.

This will usually redirect...

you to the various distro sites to freely download any/all distros that might take your interest.

(No anti-virus needed as none exist in the wild. (For the sake of the pedants: (as yet as has been the case so far for *nix since the dawn of computing)).


IT is what we make it,

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Message 1247642 - Posted: 17 Jun 2012, 21:36:17 UTC

May I remind all that this thread is in regards to "Trusting Software" not a "my O/S is bigger than your O/S".

There are various threads regarding O/S's, use them!


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Message 1247648 - Posted: 17 Jun 2012, 21:40:56 UTC

I stated already & I do not want this thread locked, please keep O/S wars out of it. THANK YOU.

I have yet to red-x anyone & do not wish to do so, but there are limits.
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