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I've been thinking about it, and given the track record of the US Military with regards to the ET subject, how are we to know that if a signal really is found, the government isn't just going to swoop in and silence our results, basically making all of our time, money, and effort spent on this project in vain? I don't believe for 1 second that the US government wouldn't try to keep this sort of thing quiet, if one of us really did find something.. Kind of upsetting. Do we have any sort of "double proofing" or some way of making sure it goes mainstream in so that our results aren't dumped into the X-Files, and some of us crunchers and the staff at SETI aren't forced to sign a non disclosure document? I really think it is a valid question. To be honest, I think the answer we are searching for has already been answered, but is kept secret by the gov. I'm a part of this project because I think everybody deserves to know about it. | |
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This discussion has been brought up by me and (many) others. | |
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Do I love conspiracy plots. | |
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Conspiracies fall apart quickly. Most people simply cannot keep secrets and so the more people involved in any cover up means the more chance of the secret leaking out. Remember also there would be more than one government involved as there are people all over the world involved in the program. | |
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Gary, best case scenario and most likely. | |
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Thanks for the great responses guys! That about answers my concern... They can't stop me from continuing my search :) | |
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Also, if a real signal is found and it is not directed at us in particular there won't be a lot anybody including governments can do about it. There will be years of analysis and then more years of debate over what, if anything we should do about it. But at least we will know, at least those of us who choose to believe. | |
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That's a good point bob. Even if a signal was verified to be intelligent and extra-terrestrial, we would still have nay-sayers and skeptics. Perhaps more so than already. :-D | |
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Also, if a real signal is found and it is not directed at us in particular there won't be a lot anybody including governments can do about it. There will be years of analysis and then more years of debate over what, if anything we should do about it. But at least we will know, at least those of us who choose to believe. Bob, I'm not sure if there would need to be any debate regarding what to do about this signal if discovered. Other than to continually analyse it to glean as much information regarding it's contents and source. Hopefully the signal found will not be a one-off incident but a continual transmission of signals sent over a fairly long period of time. There's not much we could actually do in response to this signal purely due to time lapses but the scientific census I suspect would be to plan to send some form of expeditionary probe out towards the signals source. Naturally we would return a signal back to the source to acknowledge receipt stating also that we are planning to send a probe out their way. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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I think i'm going to watch "Contact" again tonight ;-) | |
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"Why build one, when you can build two for twice the price?" | |
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Also, if a real signal is found and it is not directed at us in particular there won't be a lot anybody including governments can do about it. There will be years of analysis and then more years of debate over what, if anything we should do about it. But at least we will know, at least those of us who choose to believe. I can see where there would be a great deal of debate if it is established that the signal is NOT directed at earth in particular or us specifically. First there would be the period of time wherein the content of the signal would have to be decoded followed by possible conflicting interpretation of it's meaning. Then those in charge would have to decide whether it would be in our (the earth's) best interest to make our pressence known. That alone could take decades. Then there would be the period of time during which the content of our but-in transmission would be composed or our decision to stay in hiding. Yup, there are a lot of issues that will have to be weighed before doing anything. ____________ Bob DeWoody | |
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If a signal arrives, we should first decode it, not an easy task without a Rosetta Stone. For example, Crete's Linear A has not yet been decoded, while Linear B has been decoded using some hieroglyph which referred to Crete, which had trade relationships with Egypt. | |
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If a signal arrives, we should first decode it, not an easy task without a Rosetta Stone. For example, Crete's Linear A has not yet been decoded, while Linear B has been decoded using some hieroglyph which referred to Crete, which had trade relationships with Egypt. You are assuming the signal carries information. It may only be a beacon. ____________ | |
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Pulsars are emitting beacons, but they do not imply any intelligence. I am making the hypothesis that any message coming from an intelligent source would contain some information. Tullio ____________ | |
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I can see where there would be a great deal of debate if it is established that the signal is NOT directed at earth in particular or us specifically. First there would be the period of time wherein the content of the signal would have to be decoded followed by possible conflicting interpretation of it's meaning. Then those in charge would have to decide whether it would be in our (the earth's) best interest to make our pressence known. That alone could take decades. Then there would be the period of time during which the content of our but-in transmission would be composed or our decision to stay in hiding. Yup, there are a lot of issues that will have to be weighed before doing anything. We sent a probe out into space many years ago telling the universe where we are plus some basic details about us. So staying in hiding would not make much sense here, would it. Any alien signal picked up here on Earth, due to the great time plus distance this signal has traveled, must, I say, be a signal wholly sent for the purpose of informing the recipient that another intelligent life form exists, "Hey guys, if you get this then you know your not on your own in this universe". Decoding this signal would be fairly easy as alien logic is going to be the same as ours. Most probably we would be able to establish, from this signals decoded contents, where the signal originated from and how far away they are from us. To this end being afraid of the consequences arising from the aliens receiving a signal back from us will have little impact upon end results. If their one hundred light years away from us then it will take another hundred light years for them to receive our signal back. The feed back system here takes far to long for any aliens to be able to formulate a worthwhile plan of, "Lets raid this planet Earth". Lets face it, as technology advances so natural resources decline in line. If there are aliens out there looking for a planet capable of replenishing their lost natural resources then common sense will tell them, "Find an uninhabited planet for a inhabited one will most probably have already used up most of theirs". What would be of most interest is if the received signal was anything other than a friendly, hello we are here, message. Here possibly this signal had all the makings of being a communication meant for another "body" and not for us but we just managed to intercept it along it's course. Here again this would be most unlikely due to the very slow and totally impractical use of radio waves over extremely long distances. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. | |
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But if it's nothing more than encrypted packets, for example, it essentially won't really contain "information", instead it could just be some totally useless-to-us data. ____________ -Dave #2 | |
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I think that a message may contain information even if we are unable to understand it. If I see a Chinese ideogram, I am unable to capture its meaning but it certainly contains information. If we ever receive a message a scholar of ancient languages might be the person better trained to try to decode it. But this also might be impossible, there is no reason to suppose that an alien would use an alphabet or an ideogram. Tullio ____________ | |
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I suspect the most likely thing for us to find is someone's radar. Radar does not carry information. It is however a narrow band signal unlike most everything in nature. It doesn't have to pulse with clockwork precision, but it likely will. ____________ | |
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Ah found the write up: If a signal is observed two or more times, and it's not RFI or a test signal, the SETI@home team will ask another group to take a look. This other group will be using different telescopes, receivers, computers, etc. This will hopefully rule out a bug in our equipment or our computer code (or a clever student playing a prank...) Together with the other team, SETI@home will do interferometry measurements (it takes two observations seperated by a big distance) This can confirm that the source of the signal is at interstellar distances. ____________ | |
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