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Message 1244267 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 6:12:17 UTC - in response to Message 1244265.

I happen to have a friend that can arrange a full scale test.

Moment magnitude 8.5, 10 KM NNE of Palo Verde.

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Message 1244282 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 7:08:07 UTC

I think the NYTimes is the best newspaper in the world. Unfortunately, they have restricted me to no more than 10 free articles a month, so I must be careful about what I read.
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Message 1244340 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 13:25:42 UTC
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After any kinds of denials, insults it is clear anything plutonium and uranium involved affairs there is always us government trails involved. Japan has long rich military history with america so it is clear to every one that any piece of uranium in japan is always under american watch. That means even tepco messed up the proper handling of uranium facility then it was always known to the original fuel producer.

Before those tepco plants 3 nuke explosions everyone's belief was japans are technology gods something but now that belief has changed forever they even imported water spray machines from china to cool down the exploded reactors and imported small flying robots from america. That means japanese have tons of negligent sides as anyone else. That is why now new yorkers are rising against their neighbouring nuke plant because that old plant very likely have numerous neglected features if japans have with theirs. (I'll argue that those 3 explosions were definatily nuclear explosions that is why Pacific ocean is messed up for at least 100 years)

This much radiation should take some serious explosion.
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Message 1244342 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 13:44:30 UTC - in response to Message 1244340.

A nuclear reactor cannot explode unless it is a fast breeder, like Phenix and Superphenix in France and Dounreay Fast Reactor in UK, all stopped for safety reasons. In Japan there is one at Tokai Mura, if I remember well, also stopped. The USA had a close call with the Fermi reactor in Detroit. A book was written about this, "The day we almost lost Detroit".
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Message 1244344 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 13:47:49 UTC - in response to Message 1244342.

A nuclear reactor cannot explode unless it is a fast breeder, like Phenix and Superphenix in France and Dounreay Fast Reactor in UK, all stopped for safety reasons. In Japan there is one at Tokai Mura, if I remember well, also stopped. The USA had a close call with the Fermi reactor in Detroit. A book was written about this, "The day we almost lost Detroit".
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Message 1244345 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 13:48:18 UTC

Depending on your definition of "explosion".
It cannot explode in the sense of nuclear explosion unless its a fast breeder, however it can suffer a mechanical, or chemical explosion causing a rupture of the containment vessel - which is pretty much what happened at Chernobyl and in Japan
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Message 1244349 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 13:59:42 UTC
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Yeah this was definetily nuclear related explosion:









http://cbryanjones.com/journal/storage/post-images/fukushima-radiation-plot.png?format=original


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Message 1244386 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 15:49:52 UTC - in response to Message 1244349.

Yeah this was definetily[sic] nuclear related explosion:

Wow finally the first true words you have written. Translation there was an chemical explosion at a nuclear facility.

Do you know what any of the numbers on those pretty charts mean in terms of human exposure? You should be able to find a bunch of pretty charts saying what level of radiation from which isotope will harm a human or a fish. The data has been out there for a long time. Why don't you make some other pretty charts to show with the levels in the Pacific how many humans will be harmed. You have the raw data already. Sure doesn't seem to be a coverup.

Oh, it is safe to live at Hiroshima or Nagasaki today? Those really were what you like to impute Fukushima as.


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Message 1244526 - Posted: 10 Jun 2012, 23:06:48 UTC - in response to Message 1244386.
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Yeah this was definetily[sic] nuclear related explosion:

Wow finally the first true words you have written. Translation there was an chemical explosion at a nuclear facility.

Do you know what any of the numbers on those pretty charts mean in terms of human exposure? You should be able to find a bunch of pretty charts saying what level of radiation from which isotope will harm a human or a fish. The data has been out there for a long time. Why don't you make some other pretty charts to show with the levels in the Pacific how many humans will be harmed. You have the raw data already. Sure doesn't seem to be a coverup.

Oh, it is safe to live at Hiroshima or Nagasaki today? Those really were what you like to impute Fukushima as.



Come on stop being such an ignorant religious fanatics you represent some country that respect some level of common sense if not pure scientific reality.

And that hiroshima explosion was tiny stuff compare to todays single nuke reactor nuking capacity.
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Message 1244559 - Posted: 11 Jun 2012, 1:27:24 UTC - in response to Message 1244526.

And that hiroshima explosion was tiny stuff compare to todays single nuke reactor nuking capacity.

I believe the gentleman has lost all credibility.

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Message 1244569 - Posted: 11 Jun 2012, 2:09:01 UTC - in response to Message 1244559.

And that hiroshima explosion was tiny stuff compare to todays single nuke reactor nuking capacity.

I believe the gentleman has lost all credibility.



I believe your ignorance and arrogance is really make sense where you originated.
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Message 1245043 - Posted: 12 Jun 2012, 13:47:00 UTC
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How to not make a disaster worse. Do you deny its happening or get everyone the hell out of there and do your best to remedy the situation. Disasters do happen. How we deal with them is another thing.


Here are some numbers for you to chew on and to think about.


Chernobyl accident is equivalent to 500 nuclear bombs used in Hiroshima in 1945.
The releases contaminated an estimated 17 million people to some degree.
143,000 people have been evacuated from contaminated areas of Ukraine
600,000 people took part in liquidating effects of the disaster, 100,000 of which already died or are now handicapped
Cases of leucosis and thyroid cancer exceed average by 2 and 5 times correspondingly among the Chernobyl victims.
There are 1.8 million people residing on the territories of Ukraine, Russia, and Belarus, which are still defined as contaminated
For the 14 years since the disaster 300,000 died in Ukraine alone from the radiation sickness



I'd say the Japanese have done a damn fine job of protecting people the best that they could. Let's not forget and I hate repeating myself. The japanese disaster was precipitated by a massive earthquake and then a massive tsunami.

Chernobyl was a monumental screw up. No earthquake no tsunami, no Tornado, no Hurricane. A badly designed Nuclear reactor and incompetence killed those people.

As far as US military bases in Japan, I don't see what difference it makes. The average soldier doesn't care where their electricity is coming from just as long as they get it.

/edit I should have looked this up in the first place but I assumed the poster actually knew what he was talking about. There are no US military bases anywhere near Fukushima. It's pretty easy to find them. Just google US military bases Japan.

Please let us know when you are done with your anti US rhetoric. It's just stale.
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Message 1245050 - Posted: 12 Jun 2012, 13:55:49 UTC

Ukraine has beaten Sweden 2-1. I saw tens of thousands of people cheering their players and they looked in perfect health.
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Message 1245230 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 4:44:01 UTC
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I guess we have in asia more better type of information about japan and asian nuclear events than westerners do. What else can I say my simplistic scientific facts supported approach is seemingly totally useless against yours ignorant dismissive logics.

The whole point is japans totally messed up the largest water reserve on earth maybe for the next several centuries but the radiation pollution source was controlled by someone else behind their back.
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Message 1245281 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 9:32:12 UTC - in response to Message 1245230.

It seems to me unlikely that the USA would pollute an ocean that washes on the beaches of Hawaii and California. Would they want the bikinis to become as radioactive as Bikini Island?
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Message 1245284 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 9:45:52 UTC
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they have restricted me to no more than 10 free articles a month,


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Check the internet; there is a way around the limit. My wife was reading all she wanted. I will ask her if this is still working and send you a private message.

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Message 1245288 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 10:12:28 UTC

Would they want the bikinis to become as radioactive as Bikini Island?

Oh I dunno, boobs that glow in the dark, would be useful in power cuts to find your way around (the house).

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Message 1245316 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 11:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1245043.
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... I hate repeating myself. The japanese disaster was precipitated by a massive earthquake and then a massive tsunami. ...

That is a very lame and pathetic excuse.


There were known and reckless design deficiencies that had been highlighted many years before at the Fukushima plant. Worse still, maintenance and safe operation were compromised due to the near end-of-life of the plant and cost cutting...

Nuclear plants can be made safe and reliable. The question is always at what cost... The Japanese authorities gambled and lost. They were 'lucky' the disaster hasn't been worse...


So how much do you trust your life to 'luck' and the cost cutting imposed by others who live many many miles away and reap all the benefits at your risk?


We have a similar situation here in the UK for our own nuclear plants. There is amazing laissez-faire that assumes we will never get earthquakes or tsunamis or rain inundations... The reality is that such events do occur and they will be 'unexpected'. So what is the cost of such unexpectedness?...


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Message 1245352 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 13:49:48 UTC - in response to Message 1245316.
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NPR had an interview with an American worker that was in the facility to make sure it met safety and quality standards.

He and several of the Japanese workers were caught inside the building as power was lost. His claim is that there was nothing that could have stopped the disaster. He also went on to say that the plant was not in any way compromised due to substandard safety or maintenance standards

The plants fatal flaw was having diesel generators where they could easily be flooded in a Tsunami. Again, the Japanese are very aware of Tsunamis and have built dikes and Tsunami walls to funnel and prevent flooding from a Tsunami. This Tsunami just went right over their defenses. This Tsunami was well beyond any expected ever.
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Message 1245353 - Posted: 13 Jun 2012, 13:55:46 UTC

Clearly there is a idiot's game going on. You can build to be safe from things that happen every 100 years on average. You can build to be safe from things that happen every 1000 years on average. You can't build to be safe from everything. What happens when the asteroid hits near the plant?

Look up the Baker test at Bikini for terrible contamination of the Pacific Ocean. No one had the monitors back then to see how bad it was ...


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