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Message 1237054 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:13:57 UTC

Other than ignoring that it exists, I mean?
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Message 1237058 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:16:41 UTC - in response to Message 1237054.

How about doing so without using offensive words?

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Message 1237059 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:17:35 UTC - in response to Message 1237058.

How about doing so without using offensive words?

How can you have a serious discussion about the subject without the words that define it?
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Message 1237061 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:17:46 UTC

very VERY carefully. I would recommend not.
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Message 1237064 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:19:11 UTC - in response to Message 1237061.

very VERY carefully. I would recommend not.

So I would have been led by the nose to believe.


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Message 1237067 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:21:04 UTC - in response to Message 1237059.

How about doing so without using offensive words?

How can you have a serious discussion about the subject without the words that define it?


Do using the words themselves define it? Or do the actually detract from a serious discussion of it?

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Message 1237072 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:25:24 UTC - in response to Message 1237067.

How about doing so without using offensive words?

How can you have a serious discussion about the subject without the words that define it?


Do using the words themselves define it? Or do the actually detract from a serious discussion of it?

They were part and parcel of the discussion to begin with, even with the deletion of the 'n' word. Which I did upon notification from Fred.

Then he seemed worthy to dismiss the whole thread, rather than dealing with my try at an honest discussion of the topic.

His word trumps mine, so I retreat now.
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Message 1237077 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:28:24 UTC - in response to Message 1237072.

Why are the racial words so part and parcel to the point? I would think the idea is more important than trying to be edgy.

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Message 1237080 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:31:03 UTC - in response to Message 1237077.

Why are the racial words so part and parcel to the point? I would think the idea is more important than trying to be edgy.

I retreat now.......
I defer to Fred.
How can one make a point without making the point?
I dunno.

I just dunno....

But, for tonight, I defer.

I do not wish to get banned for trying to make this one point.

I shall let it rest.
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Message 1237082 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:32:31 UTC - in response to Message 1237080.
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You can make the point the same way the Gay Marriage thread was able to talk about gays without referring to them as f*gs or h**os or fl***rs. Those words are simply not needed but you can still have a discussion about the topic.

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Message 1237084 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:35:16 UTC - in response to Message 1237082.

You can make the point the same way the Gay Marriage thread was able to talk about gays without referring to them as f*gs or h**os or fl***rs. They're simply not needed but you can still have a discussion about the topic.

I am sorry, but being 55yo, I am not well learned in 'beating about the bush'.

Ya say what ya mean, you don't what you don't.
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Message 1237087 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:37:42 UTC - in response to Message 1237084.

Its not beating around the bush, its called being respectful towards those that find it incredibly offensive, or at the least its called being diplomatic. It could also be called self-control.

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Message 1237090 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:41:17 UTC - in response to Message 1237087.

Its not beating around the bush, its called being respectful towards those that find it incredibly offensive, or at the least its called being diplomatic. It could also be called self-control.

Then I guess this should never be a place to bring up subjects that many would find incredibly offensive.

My F'ing bad. Again.

And BTW, Eric himself defined the use of F'ing contractions acceptable.

Do I need to quote the post?
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Message 1237093 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:42:22 UTC - in response to Message 1237090.
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I don't know what makes you say that.... I just gave you an example of how you can have the discussion without getting banned. Get creative about the discussion but don't use the offensive words. It seems like you want to do it your way and your way only, then get mad about it when you get told not to do it that way.

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Message 1237100 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:49:22 UTC

OK......let's try THIS.......


Because I am WHITE.
And happen to be proud of that. Why should I not be? Other ethnic groups seem to be rather cocky these days, and have their assorted public cheerleaders (mostly publicity seekers) who defend their every right.

The following comments are attributed to Michael Richards.
Otherwise known as Kramer from the Seinfeld TV series.

Mind you, I have not vetted this.....so, as usual, if you believe this to be urban legend, so may you say.

The story goes that this was his defense speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act.

He makes some very interesting points...

Someone finally said it. How many are actually paying attention to this?

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"There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc.

And then there are just Americans. You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction.

You call me 'WB' 'Crkr, 'Honk if you love me, 'White Bread', 'Cave Lover'... And that's OK...

But when I call you, 'N' word, 'K' word, TH, SN, CJ, Beep, G word or C word ... You call me a racist.

You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you...
So why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live?

You have the United Negro College Fund.

You have Martin Luther King Day.

You have Black History Month.

You have Cesar Chavez Day.

You have Yom Hashoah.

You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi.

You have the NAACP.

You have BET...

If we had WET (White Entertainment Television), we'd be racists.

If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists.

If we had White History Month, we'd be racists.

If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives, we'd be racists.

We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce.

Wonder who pays for that??

A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any color can be in the Miss America pageant.

If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships... You know we'd be racists.

There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US ... Yet if there were 'White colleges', that would be a racist college.

In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights.
If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists.
You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it.

But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

You rob us, car jack us, and shoot at us.

But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.

I am proud...... But you call me a racist."



Now.

Does this make the post PC??

If not, delete it again.

But do not ban me, I am just asking.
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Message 1237103 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:50:40 UTC

The Gay marriage thread does demonstrate the difficulty some folks having expressive offensive thoughts/thinking without being offensive.

In some cases they might simply lack the language skills or intelligence for this to begin with, or perhaps when one strays over emotional hot button issues some component of otherwise competent writing/thinking skills suffers attrition.

Then there is the situation where some people have outlier opinions and view the world in concrete absolute terms. For them, rational discussion presents perhaps a challenge beyond them.

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Message 1237106 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:53:14 UTC - in response to Message 1237103.

The Gay marriage thread does demonstrate the difficulty some folks having expressive offensive thoughts/thinking without being offensive.

In some cases they might simply lack the language skills or intelligence for this to begin with, or perhaps when one strays over emotional hot button issues some component of otherwise competent writing/thinking skills suffers attrition.

Then there is the situation where some people have outlier opinions and view the world in concrete absolute terms. For them, rational discussion presents perhaps a challenge beyond them.

And then there are some who really have a problem with gay marriage.
And their emotions take so control of them they have a problem saying what they have to say without revealing their emotions.

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Message 1237108 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:54:28 UTC - in response to Message 1237106.

The Gay marriage thread does demonstrate the difficulty some folks having expressive offensive thoughts/thinking without being offensive.

In some cases they might simply lack the language skills or intelligence for this to begin with, or perhaps when one strays over emotional hot button issues some component of otherwise competent writing/thinking skills suffers attrition.

Then there is the situation where some people have outlier opinions and view the world in concrete absolute terms. For them, rational discussion presents perhaps a challenge beyond them.

And then there are some who really have a problem with gay marriage.
And their emotions take so control of them they have a problem saying what they have to say without revealing their emotions.


They are entitled to their emotions, but they are not entitled to dictate to others on how to live their lives.

Sorry, we're off topic.

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Message 1237110 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 5:55:50 UTC - in response to Message 1237108.

The Gay marriage thread does demonstrate the difficulty some folks having expressive offensive thoughts/thinking without being offensive.

In some cases they might simply lack the language skills or intelligence for this to begin with, or perhaps when one strays over emotional hot button issues some component of otherwise competent writing/thinking skills suffers attrition.

Then there is the situation where some people have outlier opinions and view the world in concrete absolute terms. For them, rational discussion presents perhaps a challenge beyond them.

And then there are some who really have a problem with gay marriage.
And their emotions take so control of them they have a problem saying what they have to say without revealing their emotions.


They are entitled to their emotions, but they are not entitled to dictate to others on how to live their lives.

Sorry, we're off topic.

My thread.
I'll allow the topical off course.

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Message 1237126 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 6:01:22 UTC

Thanks MS -- I think that thread (Gay Marriage) like threads on religion and race are all areas where the choice of language along with the ability to express ones *opinions* with care is important as is the capability of recognizing the distinction between fact and opinion. When folks mix fact and opinion up (and a discussion regarding racism certainly has that potential) then the discussion has a very high potential to get heated.

I think the idea behind discussions here is to seek light, not heat.

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