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Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
If you should draw a line on a flat world map. Trace a line from Easter Island look at the Base Of the MOI statues notice irregular interlocking stone. From Easter Island go to Peru Nasca Macho Picho Tituananco and compare the same construction of irregular interlocking stone. Not small stone either some up to 30 ton or more in all instances. Continue your line to Giza in Egypt. All constuction technics are the same but 12000 miles apart on a straight line that is exactly 30 degrees to the equator and one covers one side of the Cheops pyramid. There is a difference of thousands of years. But these cultures did not interact so how does the same construction techniques be the same over time and distance. An engineer of modern times would have a hard time duplicateing ancient stone cutters. Tolerances of .002 in the distance of 10 feet across a granite stone done several thousand years ago without modern tools. Too much of a coincidence in too many different ways and the construction remains to same over 12000 or more years. How did many different cultures of ancient times build giant structures at all the same time some cities might have held 100000 people. I find it from a engineering point of veiw as amazing coincidences that seems impossible for the times. |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
If you should draw a line on a flat world map. Trace a line from Easter Island look at the Base Of the MOI statues notice irregular interlocking stone. From Easter Island go to Peru Nasca Macho Picho Tituananco and compare the same construction of irregular interlocking stone. Not small stone either some up to 30 ton or more in all instances. Continue your line to Giza in Egypt. All constuction technics are the same but 12000 miles apart on a straight line that is exactly 30 degrees to the equator and one covers one side of the Cheops pyramid. There is a difference of thousands of years. But these cultures did not interact so how does the same construction techniques be the same over time and distance. An engineer of modern times would have a hard time duplicateing ancient stone cutters. Tolerances of .002 in the distance of 10 feet across a granite stone done several thousand years ago without modern tools. Too much of a coincidence in too many different ways and the construction remains to same over 12000 or more years. How did many different cultures of ancient times build giant structures at all the same time some cities might have held 100000 people. I find it from a engineering point of veiw as amazing coincidences that seems impossible for the times. Possibly due to, "Great minds think a'like". The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Allie in Vancouver Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0 |
Possibly an error that a lot of people make is in assuming that ancient people were simple, child-like forbears of ours. In truth, there is no significant difference either physically or intellectually between people 20 000 years ago and today. They were every bit as smart as we are today, and were as every bit as capable of figuring out how to get things done. It doesn't take ancient astronauts to explain, just regular people who did a little musing. Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Possibly an error that a lot of people make is in assuming that ancient people were simple, child-like forbears of ours. In truth, there is no significant difference either physically or intellectually between people 20 000 years ago and today. If Aliens existed who were also aware of our planet then I doubt if they would have visited us. To interact with us then they will know that this could unbalance the natural progression of this planet. To this end then I doubt any Alien contact with any of Earth's civilisations, past or present. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
(Seeing Kenzie's post I had to do this) #resist |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
To reprise a line of chatter from a thread long ago. We could easily reproduce the ancient stone monuments today. The Washington monument is proof of this. The ancients knew how to do so as well; albeit without the engines that we have today. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise. It is likely that the Mayans, Incas and Aztecs were of Egyptian descent. Thor Heyerdahl established this possibility. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
The techniques of the ancients are well known. Oxen, sleds, ramps, rollers, ropes, levers, quarry stones moved by barge. The Washington monument is a free standing stone structure with no visible seams. The ancient works were of course marvelous feats; but they were feats of human engineering and practical know-how. I would dispute the reference that you cited as being folklore beliefs. Something that the discovery channel would put on right after their Bigfoot special. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
The techniques of the ancients are well known. Oxen, sleds, ramps, rollers, ropes, levers, quarry stones moved by barge. The Washington monument is a free standing stone structure with no visible seams. The ancient works were of course marvelous feats; but they were feats of human engineering and practical know-how. I agree. See: ... moving the Obelisk from Alexandria to New York... Lifting/Moving the Megaliths All very easy if you have cheap labour that can be organized and you have time and motive... Still impressive :-) Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
The pyramids are hollow also |
Larry Monske Send message Joined: 17 Sep 05 Posts: 281 Credit: 554,328 RAC: 0 |
The techniques of the ancients are well known. Oxen, sleds, ramps, rollers, ropes, levers, quarry stones moved by barge. The Washington monument is a free standing stone structure with no visible seams. The ancient works were of course marvelous feats; but they were feats of human engineering and practical know-how. Macho Picho is built at 11000 feet and no trees above7000 feet some blocks are more than 30 ton with no cranes no animals and no rollers on ground so steep modern machines could not go. ,This place is so steep and they even run water and terraced the entire mountain to control run off and it bisects 2 active faultlines with no damage from earthquakes. Their engineers where way too far ahead of their time. |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
For me the mystery isn't how was is done or who did it. I think it is more of a "WOW how smart were we, and what happened to that knowledge all those years back". #resist |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
The knowledge is still here. Just like back then, the most knowledgeable people are at the top of their game, and everyone else is just disposable labor. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Near Trieste there is a Roman aqueduct bringing water to the city from Fons Oppia through a tunnel in a hill. The slope is exactly what is needed to make the water flow. How they did it without our instruments I cannot imagine. Tullio |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
They had tools beyond our imagination, is my guess... That's what makes things like this so interesting... #resist |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
That is Greek, the Antikythera Mechanism. But the Romans learned many things from the Greeks, especially from Magna Grecia in Sicily. Tullio |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
Near Trieste there is a Roman aqueduct bringing water to the city from Fons Oppia through a tunnel in a hill. The slope is exactly what is needed to make the water flow. How they did it without our instruments I cannot imagine. Experience, and the Mk I eyeball. Do not underestimate craftsmen. Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
That is Greek, the Antikythera Mechanism Tullio; That's a mulching lawn mower that was left out in the weather for too long. Seriously though, I am thrilled to be reminded of the ingenious designs that were attributed to Archimedes (one of the five greatest minds that ever lived in my opinion) and Michaelangelo. My alter ego Daddio has spent a lot of time researching my Greek ancestors. |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
For me the mystery isn't how was is done or who did it. I think it is more of a "WOW how smart were we, and what happened to that knowledge all those years back". Hey! We're still 'smart'... For more recent 'wonders', see such as the following for 'shifting heavy stuff': Crawler-transporter used the carry this before launch: Saturn V There's also: Crane vessel See, it is easy enough to put one of those "impossible ancient monuments" into orbit about the Earth if there was some quixotic billionaire or despot to fund such a farce! Then again... Haven't we recently launched a full round of cheese into orbit?... ;-) And then there's such as this exotic monument of excess: The Burj Mubarak al-Kabir will stand at 1,001 m... Hope you don't suffer vertigo or earthquakes or shifting sands... Keep searchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20147 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
... researching my Greek ancestors... Nicely done and good giggle as ever :-) Cheers, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Hey! We're still 'smart'... But we do posses this inordinate ability today to make the simplest of things very hard to achieve. Clearly our ancestors did not have this trait so were able to make the difficultest of things very easy to achieve. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
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