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Message 1233197 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 2:56:12 UTC

If you should draw a line on a flat world map. Trace a line from Easter Island look at the Base Of the MOI statues notice irregular interlocking stone. From Easter Island go to Peru Nasca Macho Picho Tituananco and compare the same construction of irregular interlocking stone. Not small stone either some up to 30 ton or more in all instances. Continue your line to Giza in Egypt. All constuction technics are the same but 12000 miles apart on a straight line that is exactly 30 degrees to the equator and one covers one side of the Cheops pyramid. There is a difference of thousands of years. But these cultures did not interact so how does the same construction techniques be the same over time and distance. An engineer of modern times would have a hard time duplicateing ancient stone cutters. Tolerances of .002 in the distance of 10 feet across a granite stone done several thousand years ago without modern tools. Too much of a coincidence in too many different ways and the construction remains to same over 12000 or more years. How did many different cultures of ancient times build giant structures at all the same time some cities might have held 100000 people. I find it from a engineering point of veiw as amazing coincidences that seems impossible for the times.

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Message 1233431 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 14:18:44 UTC - in response to Message 1233197.

If you should draw a line on a flat world map. Trace a line from Easter Island look at the Base Of the MOI statues notice irregular interlocking stone. From Easter Island go to Peru Nasca Macho Picho Tituananco and compare the same construction of irregular interlocking stone. Not small stone either some up to 30 ton or more in all instances. Continue your line to Giza in Egypt. All constuction technics are the same but 12000 miles apart on a straight line that is exactly 30 degrees to the equator and one covers one side of the Cheops pyramid. There is a difference of thousands of years. But these cultures did not interact so how does the same construction techniques be the same over time and distance. An engineer of modern times would have a hard time duplicateing ancient stone cutters. Tolerances of .002 in the distance of 10 feet across a granite stone done several thousand years ago without modern tools. Too much of a coincidence in too many different ways and the construction remains to same over 12000 or more years. How did many different cultures of ancient times build giant structures at all the same time some cities might have held 100000 people. I find it from a engineering point of veiw as amazing coincidences that seems impossible for the times.


Possibly due to, "Great minds think a'like".



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Message 1233554 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 18:37:31 UTC

Possibly an error that a lot of people make is in assuming that ancient people were simple, child-like forbears of ours. In truth, there is no significant difference either physically or intellectually between people 20 000 years ago and today.

They were every bit as smart as we are today, and were as every bit as capable of figuring out how to get things done. It doesn't take ancient astronauts to explain, just regular people who did a little musing.


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Message 1233706 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 23:47:35 UTC - in response to Message 1233554.

Possibly an error that a lot of people make is in assuming that ancient people were simple, child-like forbears of ours. In truth, there is no significant difference either physically or intellectually between people 20 000 years ago and today.

They were every bit as smart as we are today, and were as every bit as capable of figuring out how to get things done. It doesn't take ancient astronauts to explain, just regular people who did a little musing.

If Aliens existed who were also aware of our planet then I doubt if they
would have visited us. To interact with us then they will know that this
could unbalance the natural progression of this planet. To this end then
I doubt any Alien contact with any of Earth's civilisations, past or present.


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Message 1233708 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 0:02:51 UTC

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Message 1233777 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 2:12:38 UTC - in response to Message 1233708.

To reprise a line of chatter from a thread long ago. We could easily reproduce the ancient stone monuments today. The Washington monument is proof of this. The ancients knew how to do so as well; albeit without the engines that we have today. It is nonsense to suggest otherwise.

It is likely that the Mayans, Incas and Aztecs were of Egyptian descent. Thor Heyerdahl established this possibility.

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Message 1233968 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 10:10:10 UTC

We could easily reproduce the ancient stone monuments today.


In one of Von Danikens books he talks about the Baalbak Terrace. Some of these stones are over 1000 tons in weight and so closely placed that you can't put a business card between them. Apparently plans of the Terrace were submitted to some of the worlds biggest construction companies, and they said that it couldn't be created today even with 21st Century knowledge and machinery.

Hmmmm ....

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Message 1233976 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 10:32:02 UTC - in response to Message 1233968.
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The techniques of the ancients are well known. Oxen, sleds, ramps, rollers, ropes, levers, quarry stones moved by barge. The Washington monument is a free standing stone structure with no visible seams. The ancient works were of course marvelous feats; but they were feats of human engineering and practical know-how.

I would dispute the reference that you cited as being folklore beliefs. Something that the discovery channel would put on right after their Bigfoot special.

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Message 1233979 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 10:53:50 UTC

I would dispute the reference that you cited as being folklore beliefs. Something that the discovery channel would put on right after their Bigfoot special.

Fair enough! I was searching for data on the Baalbek Terrace and that was the first one I found. Should have looked harder. But the OP has some good points which many have tried to answer, and cannot.

To reprise a line of chatter from a thread long ago. We could easily reproduce the ancient stone monuments today. The Washington monument is proof of this.

The Washington Monument is not solid but hollow, that is a big difference. At the moment it is closed to the public for repairs.

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Message 1234075 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 14:45:08 UTC - in response to Message 1233976.

The techniques of the ancients are well known. Oxen, sleds, ramps, rollers, ropes, levers, quarry stones moved by barge. The Washington monument is a free standing stone structure with no visible seams. The ancient works were of course marvelous feats; but they were feats of human engineering and practical know-how.

I would dispute the reference that you cited as being folklore beliefs. Something that the discovery channel would put on right after their Bigfoot special.

I agree. See:

... moving the Obelisk from Alexandria to New York...

Lifting/Moving the Megaliths

All very easy if you have cheap labour that can be organized and you have time and motive...


Still impressive :-)

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Message 1234080 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 15:02:25 UTC - in response to Message 1233979.

The pyramids are hollow also

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Message 1234146 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 19:08:07 UTC - in response to Message 1233976.

The techniques of the ancients are well known. Oxen, sleds, ramps, rollers, ropes, levers, quarry stones moved by barge. The Washington monument is a free standing stone structure with no visible seams. The ancient works were of course marvelous feats; but they were feats of human engineering and practical know-how.

I would dispute the reference that you cited as being folklore beliefs. Something that the discovery channel would put on right after their Bigfoot special.

Macho Picho is built at 11000 feet and no trees above7000 feet some blocks are more than 30 ton with no cranes no animals and no rollers on ground so steep modern machines could not go. ,This place is so steep and they even run water and terraced the entire mountain to control run off and it bisects 2 active faultlines with no damage from earthquakes. Their engineers where way too far ahead of their time.

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Message 1234199 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 21:03:11 UTC

For me the mystery isn't how was is done or who did it. I think it is more of a "WOW how smart were we, and what happened to that knowledge all those years back".
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Message 1234234 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 22:31:15 UTC - in response to Message 1234199.

The knowledge is still here. Just like back then, the most knowledgeable people are at the top of their game, and everyone else is just disposable labor.

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Message 1234325 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 1:35:49 UTC - in response to Message 1234234.

Near Trieste there is a Roman aqueduct bringing water to the city from Fons Oppia through a tunnel in a hill. The slope is exactly what is needed to make the water flow. How they did it without our instruments I cannot imagine.
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Message 1234338 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 1:53:16 UTC

They had tools beyond our imagination, is my guess... That's what makes things like this so interesting...




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Message 1234357 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 2:53:44 UTC - in response to Message 1234338.

That is Greek, the Antikythera Mechanism. But the Romans learned many things from the Greeks, especially from Magna Grecia in Sicily.
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Message 1234469 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 11:53:20 UTC - in response to Message 1234325.

Near Trieste there is a Roman aqueduct bringing water to the city from Fons Oppia through a tunnel in a hill. The slope is exactly what is needed to make the water flow. How they did it without our instruments I cannot imagine.

Experience, and the Mk I eyeball. Do not underestimate craftsmen.

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Message 1234541 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 14:55:22 UTC - in response to Message 1234357.
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That is Greek, the Antikythera Mechanism


Tullio; That's a mulching lawn mower that was left out in the weather for too long.


Seriously though, I am thrilled to be reminded of the ingenious designs that were attributed to Archimedes (one of the five greatest minds that ever lived in my opinion) and Michaelangelo.

My alter ego Daddio has spent a lot of time researching my Greek ancestors.

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Message 1234622 - Posted: 21 May 2012, 18:14:53 UTC - in response to Message 1234199.
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For me the mystery isn't how was is done or who did it. I think it is more of a "WOW how smart were we, and what happened to that knowledge all those years back".

Hey! We're still 'smart'...

For more recent 'wonders', see such as the following for 'shifting heavy stuff':

Crawler-transporter

used the carry this before launch:

Saturn V

There's also:

Crane vessel


See, it is easy enough to put one of those "impossible ancient monuments" into orbit about the Earth if there was some quixotic billionaire or despot to fund such a farce!

Then again... Haven't we recently launched a full round of cheese into orbit?... ;-)


And then there's such as this exotic monument of excess:

The Burj Mubarak al-Kabir will stand at 1,001 m...


Hope you don't suffer vertigo or earthquakes or shifting sands...

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