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Message 1232730 - Posted: 16 May 2012, 0:53:47 UTC - in response to Message 1232650.
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Martin, and Others,
Just to clarify something. The Bible was not written in English, its original language was Hebrew.

The word "Elohim" is Hebrew for God, or Gods! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

So the original texts of the bible used the word Elohim to refer to God. The word God is not in any of the Jewish or Hebrew bibles, its only in the English translated versions. Its in modern English bibles that the word was translated to "God". The word Elohim can be plural, meaning many Gods. The Elohim were a "Race of people", not a singular God as the English bibles imply. Ever heard the term "Lost in translation"? Well the full meaning can sometimes get corrupted when texts get translated many times by many different people. But the essential message of the book of Genesis has survived through to today.

Also see Yahweh; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Seemly Yahweh was the boss man of the Elohim. He was the head guy running the show and directing what was going on. I suppose the modern day equivalent would be the director of NASA. Yahweh is also a Hebrew word, and has also been translated to mean God. But Yahweh is a bloke, a person.

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Message 1232736 - Posted: 16 May 2012, 1:20:40 UTC - in response to Message 1232418.

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I think the Bible (Old Testament) was an attempt to write down the history of the human race, and specifically the Jewish one, handed down by myths legends etc. There are some eyewitness accounts but written in the only way they knew how at the time. Unfortunately the timescales involved are not mentioned or made clear, but we do know that the world wasn't created in 7 days in 4004BC!

The age of the earth is 4500 million years. The first multicellular organisms were around in 1000 million BC. If one of gods "days" was 500 million years, it could make some sense. See what I mean about timescales? Timeline

Of course, the fly in the ointment is that any visitation by an ET from another star or even galaxy, would pre-suppose FLT travel, which according to our current knowledge is not possible. Unless you believe if Stargates?
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Chris,
No, the world was not made in 7 days. I don't really know why they wrote that into the bible. Maybe they did it to make scientifically thinking people like me question the bible and to make people like me go and investigate to see what happened.

As far as i'm aware, the 7 days refers to 7,000 years, each day being a thousand years. Apparently there are other parts in the bible that say that. So Genesis suggests that Adam and Eve were created in 4,004 B.C. - So Adam was created on the 6th day, and seemingly God rested on the 7th day. So that would imply that the Elohim came here around 10,000 BC and started genetically engineering the plants and animals. So they were here for 6,000 years playing around when one group broke the rules and created an intelligent being, Adam. And thats when our Human history starts.

Chris, in my opinion, and its my personal speculation, the Earth has been here a very long time, maybe billions of years. And the dinosaurs that are encased in rock today are there from a completely different epoch that is NOT in the bible. I think the bible is just a written account of what happened to us, just the recent human beings for the last 7,000 years or so. Its possible that its cyclic, and the dinosaurs are a fossilised relic of a race of people that came here to do exactly the same thing millions of years ago.

My research is not concerned with how old the earth is and i don't care who created the dinosaurs. I'm only concerned with the intelligent human beings that have been here, building pyramids and stuff for the last 6 or 7 thousand years.

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Message 1232742 - Posted: 16 May 2012, 1:54:18 UTC - in response to Message 1232736.

Johnnie. my son

We swung down from the trees and walked in the grassy Savannahs about 6 million years ago. The fossils of early life go back perhaps a Billion years. so your research should include a visit to a good university library and perhaps a course on paleolithic biology. The dinosaurs lived maybe 250,000,000 years ago. These data are not in dispute.

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Message 1232824 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 16:44:38 UTC - in response to Message 1232730.

... The Bible was not written in English, its original language was Hebrew.

The word "Elohim" is Hebrew for God, or Gods! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohim

... "Lost in translation"? ...

Also see Yahweh; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahweh

Seemly Yahweh was the boss man of the Elohim. He was the head guy running the show and directing what was going on. ... Yahweh is also a Hebrew word, and has also been translated to mean God. But Yahweh is a bloke, a person.

Is all that describing real people, their ideas or ideals, or perhaps the 'personification' of a cluster of ideas...

I wonder if Terry Pratchett has already unraveled the story with is book "Small Gods"?...

Note that ideas can be considered to have an immortality so long as there is someone to believe in those ideas to give them life.


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Message 1232828 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 16:50:11 UTC

So that would imply that the Elohim came here around 10,000 BC

Duncan Lunan thinks 11,000 BC, but I reckon no one has been here since then. They may have left knowledge behind to build the pyramids that I wouldn't know. I'm still not expecting any world shattering news during my life, but in the meantime it's always fine to speculate.

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Message 1232831 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 16:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1232736.
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... No, the world was not made in 7 days. I don't really know why they wrote that into the bible. ... investigate to see what happened. ...

There are certainly various historical events detailed in the Christian Bible and source scriptures. There is also a lot of metaphor and propaganda... There was a lot of politics even all those thousands years ago!


My research is not concerned with how old the earth is and i don't care who created the dinosaurs. I'm only concerned with the intelligent human beings that have been here, building pyramids and stuff for the last 6 or 7 thousand years.

So... An overriding assumption is that of an ET visitation and how that story might be hidden in whatever versions of the bible?


Which comes back to the whole 'problem' of an ET visit:

Why our insignificant planet here?

And where are 'they' now?


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Message 1232849 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 17:14:01 UTC - in response to Message 1232831.

So... An overriding assumption is that of an ET visitation and how that story might be hidden in whatever versions of the bible?

Which comes back to the whole 'problem' of an ET visit:

Why our insignificant planet here?

And where are 'they' now?

Keep searchin',
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Martin,
I said it several times already, i'm NOT researching the bible. Yes, i do believe there is stuff "coded" into the bible if you read between the lines in what people like Jesus were saying. But to be honest i don't have the time to decode the bible, there are plenty of people who have been doing that foe the last 2,000 years.

Why our insignificant planet here?

Why NOT our insignificant planet here Martin? Its a perfectly good planet with a breathable atmosphere. Reverse the question Martin. Today, if Mars were habitable with a breathable atmosphere, the race would be on right now to grab as much land on the planet as people could get there hands on. So i assume "They" came from a habitable planet that is, lets say, "Commuting distance" from us in space terms.

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Message 1232875 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 17:48:03 UTC - in response to Message 1232849.

Wasn't the Bible written in Greek. And weren't they speaking Aramaic at the time of Christ ??

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Message 1232881 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 17:54:37 UTC - in response to Message 1232875.

No, the Bible was only translated in Greek. The Gospels were written in Greek.
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Message 1232909 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 18:40:51 UTC - in response to Message 1232881.

and yes Jesus spoke Aramaic. That was a common language for over 1000 years along the trade routes from mediterrainian sea east to India. If you lived on the trade routes you probably spoke a local language and Aramaic. IIRC the last people to still speak Aramaic are located somewhere in central Iraq
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Message 1232918 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 18:47:54 UTC

My Bibbia Concordata (Mondadori 1968), edited by the Italian Biblical Society, says that Matthew's Gospel was originally written in Aramaic, then translated into Greek.
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Message 1233040 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 21:43:52 UTC

Which comes back to the whole 'problem' of an ET visit:

Why our insignificant planet here?

Because it is the only one in the Solar system far enough from the sun, and yet not too far to harbour life.

And where are 'they' now?

We would all love to know ......

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Message 1233056 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 21:56:00 UTC - in response to Message 1233040.

Which comes back to the whole 'problem' of an ET visit:

Why our insignificant planet here?

Because it is the only one in the Solar system far enough from the sun, and yet not too far to harbour life.


That may be, but out of the billions upon billions of stars, why specifically ours?

And where are 'they' now?

We would all love to know ......


Answer: they were never here. It has been proven that the Egyptians had the technological know-how to build the pyramids, and ample enough labor to carry out the plans. Its unsurprising that many of the pyramids are related to star "cycles" being that, to them, the stars were nothing more than a wonder (and in many ways still are a wonder).

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Message 1233072 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 22:17:48 UTC
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Anyway guys,
Back to the topic - 2012 - real or not?

As far as i'm aware, the Mayan calender is the only "scientific" evidence that points to something happening on December 21, 2012.

Other than people jumping on the band-waggon and guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

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Message 1233083 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 22:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1233072.

... guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

Your book?

BIG splash?

LOTS of Guinness?

Yeah!

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Message 1233140 - Posted: 18 May 2012, 23:50:01 UTC
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Other than people jumping on the band-waggon and guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

When December 21st 2012 comes then goes, uneventfully, perhaps people will then
once and for all drop the notion that one can foretell the future to any
degree of certainty. Well, of course one can't fortel the future other than for
natural basic logical events that we all know will/do occur in time. I can of course play this game to my
own advantage and tell you all that for those who choose to do so then the
opportunity to post to seti on 22nd December 2012 will be yours to exploit if
you so wish. No doubt you will all post on the 22nd December to say how
wonderful it is that Nick can predict the future. Well I have for you will have
this opportunity open to you, not all of you for some unfortunately may get
run-down by a bus. But my powers don't go that far to be able to make predictions
for individuals. Of course come the 22nd December 2012 I will be expecting you
all to hail me as a God or at least the next messiah..
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Message 1233560 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 19:11:18 UTC - in response to Message 1233140.

Other than people jumping on the band-waggon and guessing, does anyone know of any other stuff that points to the date of December 21, 2012?

When December 21st 2012 comes then goes, uneventfully, perhaps people will then
once and for all drop the notion that one can foretell the future to any
degree of certainty
. Well, of course one can't fortel the future other than for
natural basic logical events that we all know will/do occur in time. I can of course play this game to my
own advantage and tell you all that for those who choose to do so then the
opportunity to post to seti on 22nd December 2012 will be yours to exploit if
you so wish. No doubt you will all post on the 22nd December to say how
wonderful it is that Nick can predict the future. Well I have for you will have
this opportunity open to you, not all of you for some unfortunately may get
run-down by a bus. But my powers don't go that far to be able to make predictions
for individuals. Of course come the 22nd December 2012 I will be expecting you
all to hail me as a God or at least the next messiah..


No, they won't drop the notion. Gullible people will always exist, as will the prophets, soothsayers and other charlatans who prey on them.

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Message 1233566 - Posted: 19 May 2012, 19:19:18 UTC - in response to Message 1233560.

I am trying to plan out my Zombie outfit for the occasion.
Others will be running around with rakes and shovels.
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Message 1233781 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 2:16:45 UTC - in response to Message 1232881.

Isn't the Bible simply a collection of four Gospels (New Testament)

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Message 1233803 - Posted: 20 May 2012, 2:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 1233781.

Isn't the Bible simply a collection of four Gospels (New Testament)

The Bible is much more than that. There are the Old Testament (Torah in Hebrew) and the New Testament (the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles). I have a Bible with both, and it has the approval of a Catholic bishop, of Rabbi Elio Toaff from Rome, of a Protestant monk and an Orthodox Patriarch. It is called Bibbia Concordata, published in 1968. Incidentally, the first Italian edition of the Bible was made by a Lucca banker, Giovanni Diodati, in Geneve in 1607. He was from Lucca, went to Geneve, Switzerland, to pursue his interests, bacame Calvinist and translated the Bible, a fact not possible in Catholic states at that time.
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