2012 - real or not?

So Johnney, you're saying that you're not far enough along in your research...

Ozzfan,
I made my major break-through on the 29th December 2010. I started discussing it here on these SETI forums about 4 months later, around April 2011. Since then i have been quietly carrying out the research full time.

... attempt to 100% scientifically verify...

... an ancient book that was written by God himself...

... I'm currently stuck in the research because there are several problems preventing me from translating the pages...

... Many of the pages of the book are so badly damaged that they can never be read...

... As for dates, no, so far i have not found any page in the book that gives me a clear date or time-frame for the return of these people that wrote the book...

... the people who wrote the book are immortal...

... If the people who wrote the book were immortal, they would also be capable of returning at any stage....

As i see it, one of two things are going to happen;
1. I myself am going to decode the book and publish it in modern English for anyone to read. ...

2. They themselves, the people that wrote the book, will return and tell us about the book, and how to read it. ...

... If its not me that decodes the book, then someone else will. ...

...God is a flesh and blood human being just like you and me. The only difference is that God has "cracked" all of science, and as a result, he has cracked immortality. God is an immortal human being. ...

...No, i have no date. And as i said before, its down to how fast i decode the book. I could make a massive break-through tomorrow, or it could be another year, i just can't say. The book is very old and difficult to work with. ...

... If i was to try to give a name to this book, i would describe it as "The book of Life". The Bible is a written explanation of what happened down in the middle east thousands of years ago. This book i have, "The book of Life" is a scientific explanation of what happened.

Martin,
You asked a lot of good questions, so i'm going to take the time to answer all of them!

So Johnney, you're saying that you're not far enough along in your research...

Ozzfan,
I made my major break-through on the 29th December 2010. I started discussing it here on these SETI forums about 4 months later, around April 2011. Since then i have been quietly carrying out the research full time.

An auspicious date for one particular calendar and for great reverie. The second is a well known quirk of taxation and tomfoolery.

And "full time" is quite a dedication.

For such extensive work, a very good idea is to stop and check and publish to have others to comment on smaller sections rather than find that you may have spent a very long time wandering along an unfruitful path...

... attempt to 100% scientifically verify...

Science is rarely "100%" for anything. Which is why by following Science you can learn new things.

... an ancient book that was written by God himself...

Why would "God" write such a thing?

... I'm currently stuck in the research because there are several problems preventing me from translating the pages...

... Many of the pages of the book are so badly damaged that they can never be read...

... As for dates, no, so far i have not found any page in the book that gives me a clear date or time-frame for the return of these people that wrote the book...

... the people who wrote the book are immortal...

... If the people who wrote the book were immortal, they would also be capable of returning at any stage....

As i see it, one of two things are going to happen;
1. I myself am going to decode the book and publish it in modern English for anyone to read. ...

2. They themselves, the people that wrote the book, will return and tell us about the book, and how to read it. ...

... If its not me that decodes the book, then someone else will. ...

...God is a flesh and blood human being just like you and me. The only difference is that God has "cracked" all of science, and as a result, he has cracked immortality. God is an immortal human being. ...

...No, i have no date. And as i said before, its down to how fast i decode the book. I could make a massive break-through tomorrow, or it could be another year, i just can't say. The book is very old and difficult to work with. ...

... If i was to try to give a name to this book, i would describe it as "The book of Life". The Bible is a written explanation of what happened down in the middle east thousands of years ago. This book i have, "The book of Life" is a scientific explanation of what happened.

Darwin had some very persuasive ideas that so far still hold true... Such is Science.


Keep searchin',
Martin

No, we need less nutjobs to confuse the masses. Since Johnney mentioned the Elohim, I know exactly what thought process he subscribes to, and what wacky thoughts he believes.

I feel really sad for him, because he's going to devote most of his life trying to believe in this fiction, like Linus believing in the Great Pumpkin, and he's going to end up dead wrong but still clinging to his faith.

Does it hurt anyone? No, not in the violent sense. But it is hurtful to humanity and to the real scientists trying to find the real answers to have people like Johnney mislead the public with his outlandish claims.

He'll never be finished with his work because his work is nothing but rubbish. Its nothing more than trying to fit a crackpot theory into science (like Intelligent Design) and insisting that it holds truth... but with Johnney, and those like him, they believe that we will all know "soon".


See, those who believe in the Elohim insist that the group of Gods will return to Earth by the year 2035 by the latest. Johnney was trying to utilize the buzz surrounding the Mayan calendar to say that "around" this date was going to be the return of the Elohim. He won't commit to a specific date because he can't. He doesn't have any definitive timeframes for his belief, and neither does any of the other crackpot nutjobs that believe the same bogus conspiracy.



No, we don't need more of this. We need data backed by observation. He's not a "fringe" scientist or explorer, he's a lost person. He's told me in past conversations that he's not a very well educated man; that he was "athiest" during his rebellious teenage years; that he was always told that he would be the "priest" of his family.

Now he's using his lack of education and the internet to track down things beyond his understanding - but it doesn't matter because he will use what he finds to fit his hypothesis. His "atheism" was merely him losing himself, and this New Age Elohim idea is his way of fulfilling his family's suggestion that he will become some sort of "priest" or leader.

He's still a very lost person looking to find meaning, and he's found salvation in the Great Pumpkin - I mean the Elohim. Its a sad, sad thing to get caught up in conspiracies. Its even sadder to lack the critical thinking processes to actually realize when the gig is up.

Sorry Johnney.

I personally look forward to the day when Johneeys researchs bearfruit or not...at such a point he and we will know something wondefull or not. He in MHO is fringe researcher...we need these. They are ofcourse "Wacky" and just by there nature and ethusiasm invite RHetoric and invalidation. The latter are ofcourse humerous and self satisfying and defend the conventional model of existence and its limits and standrd deviations....thats allowed

I have no idea whether or not JOnney is nuts or nut,, he apprently likes guiness so I guess thats a goood thing in his favour:)

There is no harm here...no reall effort to convert to some biazzree altwrnate view of extistence..He allegences posssion of certain documents so my view is lets support him with good will and see what happemns.

I personally dont buy in into extrondiary precidences and interventions that have no evidence but life is strange and suprising sometimes . For example we take for granted the Wisdom of Greek Mathematics which has been passed on right into our educational curriculum in an unitterupted manner. Consider ! a different hypothetical course of history where such knwoledge was lost or hidden (A la Alexandreia Libraby event WTFKs what was lost there ).


MAybe Johenny is ont0 to something may be not..who knows...it would be gracefull to grant him a forum without dissecting every vowel he utters...its called kindness:)

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No, we don't need more of this. We need data backed by observation. He's not a "fringe" scientist or explorer, he's a lost person. He's told me in past conversations that he's not a very well educated man; that he was "athiest" during his rebellious teenage years; that he was always told that he would be the "priest" of his family.

Now he's using his lack of education and the internet to track down things beyond his understanding - but it doesn't matter because he will use what he finds to fit his hypothesis. His "atheism" was merely him losing himself, and this New Age Elohim idea is his way of fulfilling his family's suggestion that he will become some sort of "priest" or leader.

He's still a very lost person looking to find meaning, and he's found salvation in the Great Pumpkin - I mean the Elohim. Its a sad, sad thing to get caught up in conspiracies. Its even sadder to lack the critical thinking processes to actually realize when the gig is up.

Sorry Johnney.

Yea Ozzfan, maybe your right. Maybe i am following my own fantasy and trying to make it become reality. But i'm not alone here! Seemingly 95% of the world population seem to follow one religion or another. So i guess i'm just one of those fools that believes there is something greater going on that we are currently unaware of.

That response seems balanced to me ...no evidence poof hypthesis over :)

Some of the real scientists in my profession were publically redicluled and reduced to plulp priorly because of their wacky ideas. For example the Doctor (Dutch) who way ahead of Fleming suggested that post natal septicimia might have some thing to do with Doctors not wasHing there hands between inspecting infected patients and those who were not. He was ostricated by the Gentle men of the day and never worked again. Fleming proved his hypothesis was corrected many years latter and against all odds.

I do agree,Volunter, with most of your points but I dont think JOnheeny is trying to convet the masses. If we all had dinner and few glasses of wine with him he might become a wacky friend..thATS ALL im promoting.

He is going on to post for sure no matter what we think. Unfriendlniess and invalidation in the form of some posts posts I witnnesssed.. I suspect wont invalidate him.

My postion is simply this...JOhnney is highly probaley a wack case as you assert...I could be wrong... futher my postion is give the guy a little space...its a forum ...He is also a producer ..look athis stats lets have fun and be friendly ...Here its not the lead artical in Nature..the world does not come here for its opinions.

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Yes, thats the way i see it. I'm not doing this research because i "believe in God". I'm doing the research because other people believe in God and i want to know if they know something that modern science does not know. Like i say, i don't care if i evolved from a monkey or if God like aliens came down from the sky and created me. I don't care either way. But i do want to know who is telling the truth and who is telling lies. And, when you actually go and check, there are big holes in the Darwinian monkey story. So i'm simply checking the other "God" version of the story to see if there is any fact in it.

Yes, thats the way i see it. I'm not doing this research because i "believe in God". I'm doing the research because other people believe in God and i want to know if they know something that modern science does not know. Like i say, i don't care if i evolved from a monkey or if God like aliens came down from the sky and created me. I don't care either way. But i do want to know who is telling the truth and who is telling lies. And, when you actually go and check, there are big holes in the Darwinian monkey story. So i'm simply checking the other "God" version of the story to see if there is any fact in it.

Try not to let the far right-wing nuts confuse you on Darwinism. You can claim holes in any scientific theory if you poke around the margins of science long enough. But lack of understanding the Universe doesn't mean there's a hole in the theory, it simply means we need more data.

Thats what i am doing. Just to ammuse myself, i hang out on a SETI alien hunting website forum and do research into unusual things. As far as i'm concerned, its no worse that any other hobby or pastime. Some people follow Manchester UTD in their free time, some people collect stamps, some people go running, some people do nitting, some people modify cars and race them. I'm doing what i like to do in my spare time, i research the wierd and wonderful because it pasases the time. I do scientific research to try to find God. Its no worse than following the football on the telly. Thats life!

Ozzfan,
Sometimes Fiction becomes Fact,
Sometimes Magic becomes Reality,
Sometimes Myth becomes Truth,
And sometimes Science Fiction becomes Science Reality.

I'm sorry Ozzfan that your unable to come on this journey with me. What is about to happen to humanity is magical, its going to be very beautiful. Magic things are about to happen in real life, right before your very eyes. Some of these things are happening right now, but you just don't seem to notice them. They are happening all around you. But Ozzfan you have to open your eyes to see these things. I cannot open your eyes for you. You have to do it yourself.

Ozzfan if you take off the Darwinian shoes you are wearing, i will personally carry you on my shoulders into the Kingdom of Heaven with me.

John 3:7 -> To enter the kingdom of heaven, you must be born again.
The lord is my Shepherd, he guides me through the valley of darkness and shows me the light.
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I'm claiming that i found scientific evidence for a race of God like people that were here genetically engineering plants and animals thousands of years ago. Now thats a mighty claim and its going to need substantial scientific proof. What i am saying is that i have been compiling that proof for the last year and a half. Once i have compiled enough evidence, i will go public. If i don't find enough evidence, then i won't be publishing anything and nothing will change.

... they, the Elohim, ...

Come 22/12/12 & later, we'll still get people claiming it will happen & they just got their dates wrong.

...que sera sera......
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