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Message 1236794 - Posted: 25 May 2012, 22:32:06 UTC - in response to Message 1236791.

ID - same sex marriage, or full right civil union is about equal rights -- your 'they' suggests a vantage point -- then again, you have been very open about your vantage point (vantage points). They represent a clear bright line of what you see as right and wrong, good and bad, fortunately, you views are not as widely held as you might believe.


No it isn't about equal rights. As I said peoples behavior is regulated all the time. This is an issue about behavior. Not about color. Not about if your sex reproductive organs are inside or outside of your body. IT'S ABOUT PUBLIC BEHAVIOR!


So then to be fair and indiscriminatory, all people should be prevented from having marriages, because it is a PUBLIC BEHAVIOR.


If that behavior is voted on and approved then---yes.

But that is not what we are talking about is it?


So then we're right back to a Tyranny of the Majority. You feel the majority should have the power to discriminate and that makes it OK. Isn't this how it ended in the south with segregation?


What the hell are you not getting about this not being a discrimination issue?!? Gay people have made a life choice. They are not being told they cannot marry because of color. They are being told they cannot marry because they want to marry of the same sex. This is not discrimination this is restricting behavior.

Segregation is different rules for people of color or sex.


What the F--- are you not getting about excluding a group of people whereas it is OK for everyone else is clear-cut discrimination? Who the f--- are you or anyone else to restrict their behavior if it is legal for everyone else?

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Message 1236796 - Posted: 25 May 2012, 22:34:29 UTC - in response to Message 1236790.

We are talking about the public behavior of gay people getting married.


Getting married is a private affair, it not public.

Preventing a single group of people from doing what is otherwise legal for everyone else is clear-cut discrimination.

Equal rights mean what is good for one group is good for another.

What is it about gays and marriage that you disapprove of?



It is a public affair, court house for license, new paper report, change of last name for woman and SS#. And a longer list.......

Preventing a single group of people from haveing sex with little children is clear-cut regulation of public and private behavior.

Equal rights means what is allowed within the country by the people themselves, by good morals---AND ethics.

I reject bad ethics and approve of good morals.

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Message 1236798 - Posted: 25 May 2012, 22:37:00 UTC - in response to Message 1236796.
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It is a public affair, court house for license, new paper report, change of last name for woman and SS#. And a longer list.......


Agreed, it is a notice to the state and to our federal government that two people are now joined as one. Excluding a specific group is discrimination. Otherwise it is a private affair. You don't have to be involved.

Preventing a single group of people from haveing sex with little children is clear-cut regulation of public and private behavior.


Agreed, but we're not talking about those behaviors, remember?

Equal rights means what is allowed within the country by the people themselves, by good morals---AND ethics.

I reject bad ethics and approve of good morals.


So all gays are blanket cases of bad morals and ethics? And you're trying to tell me you're not discriminating?

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Message 1236810 - Posted: 25 May 2012, 23:02:28 UTC - in response to Message 1236787.

We are talking about the public behavior of gay people getting married. So, in your country the public behavior wasn't allowed, did that stop gay people from having sex with one another in private?

Im not a homophobic puke, of course [I sure as hell don't like the insinuation either] (socialist pigs)..., ...but, I do believe that I have the right within my country to effect the laws that are made in it. Just because you have allowed gay people to marry does not in any way effect the laws within my country. We are as sovereign Nation that does not recognize a gay marriage from any other country. The U.N. has no sway within our Hall of Congress.



Ive not said that you should be affected by the laws of foreign countries... Im saying as It dosnt afected people in my country, then I have to ask what will be the harmful you will suffer if the gay marriage were aproved in your country...

And the question was not directed specifically to you or anybody in particular, but you are one of the ones against it, I guess you should have a good reason, so Im curious about it...


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Message 1236812 - Posted: 25 May 2012, 23:07:56 UTC - in response to Message 1236810.

And the question was not directed specifically to you or anybody in particular, but you are one of the ones against it, I guess you should have a good reason, so Im curious about it...


Yeah, its called bigotry and self-righteousness. Thought I'm not convinced those are good reasons.


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Message 1236828 - Posted: 25 May 2012, 23:51:26 UTC
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Message 1236908 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 3:22:15 UTC
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Im discriminating about correct behavior and incorrect behavior. That is determaned by morals and ethics, that is established by the people themselves.

Real simple stuff, even a moron can follow it. What's the problem with you people?

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Message 1236946 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 3:57:50 UTC - in response to Message 1236908.
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Im discriminating about correct behavior and incorrect behavior. That is determaned by morals and ethics, that is established by the people themselves.

Real simple stuff, even a moron can follow it. What's the problem with you people?


Well, now we're getting somewhere. You admit that you're discriminating.

The problem is, why do you think its OK for a group, or even a majority to tell people that they can't do something when everyone else is allowed to? That is a double-standard, and that is precisely why it needs to be stopped.

Do you actually think that by denying gays the right to marry, that you're going to stop their "immoral" and "unethical" behavior? What gives you or any other group the right to tell people what is moral or ethical if it doesn't harm anyone, doesn't violate anyone's rights, and is fully consensual?

What other behaviors would you outlaw that you don't agree with? Would you only stop when the entire world bends to your will and your views?

I'd ask what's the problem with you, but I think we already know the answer to that.

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Message 1236991 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 4:29:53 UTC - in response to Message 1236946.
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Im discriminating about correct behavior and incorrect behavior. That is determaned by morals and ethics, that is established by the people themselves.

Real simple stuff, even a moron can follow it. What's the problem with you people?


Well, now we're getting somewhere. You admit that you're discriminating.

The problem is, why do you think its OK for a group, or even a majority to tell people that they can't do something when everyone else is allowed to? That is a double-standard, and that is precisely why it needs to be stopped.

Do you actually think that by denying gays the right to marry, that you're going to stop their "immoral" and "unethical" behavior? What gives you or any other group the right to tell people what is moral or ethical if it doesn't harm anyone, doesn't violate anyone's rights, and is fully consensual?

What other behaviors would you outlaw that you don't agree with? Would you only stop when the entire world bends to your will and your views?

I'd ask what's the problem with you, but I think we already know the answer to that.


The same right that gives us the right to tell NAMBLA that they will go to jail for acting on their wishes in THEIR miniorty group.

Any more questions? Are you smarter then a 5th grader? Was you in that special class for very special people that just couldn't keep up with the rest of us?

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Message 1237006 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 4:38:04 UTC - in response to Message 1236991.

The same right that gives us the right to tell NAMBLA that they will go to jail for acting on their wishes in THEIR miniorty group.


But we're not talking about pedophilia, we're talking about consensual adults. Why is it OK for you to tell two adults they cannot marry?

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Message 1237014 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 4:42:07 UTC - in response to Message 1237006.

The same right that gives us the right to tell NAMBLA that they will go to jail for acting on their wishes in THEIR miniorty group.


But we're not talking about pedophilia, we're talking about consensual adults. Why is it OK for you to tell two adults they cannot marry?

Because God and the common consensus agree that they should not.
Much alone the laws of simple revolutionary theory.

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Message 1237022 - Posted: 26 May 2012, 4:48:59 UTC - in response to Message 1237014.

The same right that gives us the right to tell NAMBLA that they will go to jail for acting on their wishes in THEIR miniorty group.


But we're not talking about pedophilia, we're talking about consensual adults. Why is it OK for you to tell two adults they cannot marry?

Because God and the common consensus agree that they should not.


Doesn't matter what you think God said, and the "common consensus" doesn't get a say in what other people do so long as it is consensual and doesn't violate anyone else's rights. There are religious organizations out there that are willing to marry same-sex people and disagree with you on what God allegedly said.

Much alone the laws of simple revolutionary theory.


Gay sex happens in the animal kingdom all the time, regardless of evolution theory.

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