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Message 1230263 - Posted: 10 May 2012, 22:32:38 UTC - in response to Message 1230240.

I fully agree with the both of you Chris and Sirius.


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Message 1230277 - Posted: 10 May 2012, 22:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1230233.
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Message 1230287 - Posted: 10 May 2012, 23:08:16 UTC

Both parties create laws,
Both parties hate to repeal laws.

Republican party create laws that restrict personal freedom
Democratic makes laws that restrict corporations.

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Message 1230289 - Posted: 10 May 2012, 23:09:56 UTC - in response to Message 1230287.

Both parties create laws,
Both parties hate to repeal laws.

Republican party create laws that restrict personal freedom
Democratic makes laws that restrict corporations.


So have a 3rd party that takes the best of both...problem solved.
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Message 1230294 - Posted: 10 May 2012, 23:13:59 UTC

Oooh is Cleggy applying for the job?



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Message 1230299 - Posted: 10 May 2012, 23:21:53 UTC - in response to Message 1230294.

Oooh is Cleggy applying for the job?



one way to get rid of him.
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Message 1230320 - Posted: 11 May 2012, 0:38:40 UTC
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A country that run on debt ridden budget is not a happy country and their next generation will get heavy blows for some decades. Which america and uk are closest examples, and I did not expect relapsed gdp fall in uk.

I'd say if they really lower so called their "western living standard" or actually credit cards fueled artificial life standard then they likely achieve realistic civilized country plus be less burden on other world members. Which unfortunately even mongolia lent usa over 1 billion dollars as of today which is a classic shame! on top of nearly 3 trillion dollars lent from asia to america.
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Message 1230350 - Posted: 11 May 2012, 2:07:25 UTC - in response to Message 1228680.

I don't know the money facts. But Romney is rich, yes. However I HIGHLY DOUBT he has anywhere near the money of the Bush empire. That's a whole 'nother breed.

Yep, especially as the Obama family and the Bush family are related.

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Message 1230595 - Posted: 11 May 2012, 17:52:17 UTC - in response to Message 1230263.

I fully agree with the both of you Chris and Sirius.

I fourth that one gentlemen.
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Message 1230598 - Posted: 11 May 2012, 17:57:27 UTC - in response to Message 1230289.

Both parties create laws,
Both parties hate to repeal laws.

Republican party create laws that restrict personal freedom
Democratic makes laws that restrict corporations.


So have a 3rd party that takes the best of both...problem solved.

ROFL. We have a million parties here trying to fill that gap. Just none of them can get enough support. Usually both the Democrats and Republicans belong to, or are in support of one of these third parties. You can learn a ton about a politician by finding out which third party they are in support of, as it gives further insights into the ideas they believe.

Many of these third parties are known to either be extremely left or extremely right sometimes to the point the lines get very blurry. Independents are the "in the middle" ones, usually with a wide range of beliefs that vary from one politician to the next.
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Message 1230610 - Posted: 11 May 2012, 18:25:58 UTC - in response to Message 1230598.

what we really need to do is grow a left wing. Right now we have a choice between the moderate right, the far right, and the extreme far right.


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Message 1230744 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 1:06:25 UTC - in response to Message 1230733.

Welcome to the boards CMPO.

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Message 1230791 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 4:29:59 UTC - in response to Message 1230753.

Great 1st post CMPO. This group is composed of about 90% socialist and about 10% who think we should follow the rules of the U.S. Constitution. Now that you've joined, it's about 89%/11%.

There are likely to be a lot of people here who are card carrying members of the ACLU. As you know the ACLU is very big into constitutional law. They want it followed to the letter. They also understand what it says much better then the average John Birch'er.

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Message 1230793 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 4:33:12 UTC - in response to Message 1230753.

Guy and Gary, thanks both for the welcome. I am glad to be here. I live in California so I am used to being in the political minority. And the associated abuse… ;-)

I did not mean to hijack the thread with a sermon, I actually wanted to comment on the OP but obviously got sidetracked.

Per the election I think Obama is in trouble. Primarily because he has given his base crumbs, if that. If I had voted him in based on all of the following promises I would be very disappointed. Changing Washington to be less bipartisan, ending the wars, closing Guantanamo, increasing our standing in the world, putting an end to assassinations that are questionable under international law, keeping unemployment below 8%, and providing a better and more affordable health care system… he is a total failure. I am truly surprised he has as much open support as people are claiming. I believe a significant amount of Democratic supporters are saying this publically, but will either not show up to the polls or vote for Romney on the DL. This is most likely the case with the college age voters.

Call it wishful thinking, but I would bet dollars to Navy beans that the GOP will take this round.

What did disturb me though, in the Republican Primaries, is how Newt Gingrich was made to look like a loon and lambasted by the mainstream media for suggesting we should have a goal of a national moon base by the end of the decade. Comedy Central, MSMBC and Democratic supports of Obama mocked the very idea that we could even think of having such an ambition. Even most of the Republican opponents rolled their eyes at the notion… I was saddened by the realization that we as a country have such low ambitions, and have lost our way when it comes to the spirit of space exploration and the need for a national program to do big things. Instead, those who desire the big wheels of government look to petty handouts and a paternal state system.

Although a fiscal conservative I do believe government for many purposes, the need to development defense and space exploration/colonization platforms/programns are the primary two on my list. If the government leaves me my $6000 a year to figure out how to get my own healthcare the free market can support this and I am smart enough to make the correct choices. But the free market cannot produce a moon colony by the year 2020, or even 2030, without the help of an ambitious plan to focus national resources. When it comes to getting us off this rock into our solar system and beyond, we need true leadership willing to take risks and paint the picture of what it would mean for us to have a sustainable population off of this planet. The focus of such a mission would spur economic growth and spawn a legion of new technological breakthroughs that would have a ripple effect in the decades to come.

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Message 1230797 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 4:42:03 UTC - in response to Message 1230793.

right so were going to ride Obama out on a rail and put Newt in so we can have an insane moon base for what? $$$trillions more debt. I think has talked himself into so many corners with his "newt" talk that he used to garner fame in 1994. Unfortunately for him his competition just needed to mention that they had never had to cheat on their current wife with their future wives.

$6000 for health insurance per year, you don't necessarily need to make the right choice just a smart one. Lets assume not everyone is as smart as you and are given the same choices. How may do you think will make those smart choices. I'm betting not many.


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Message 1230837 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 6:03:05 UTC - in response to Message 1230733.
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Welcome to the board CMPO! I would like to start by saying I try to be friendly with all, and welcome all ideas and opinions.

That said, it seems to me that you feel "religion" is a better guide to follow than "government" when it comes to issues of taxation and spending.

Separation of church and state is woven into our government's and country's founding principals. Therefore, it's the government, and NOT ANY religion, that is tasked with that job/decision. So I must respectfully disagree with your stance.
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Message 1230847 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 6:24:34 UTC - in response to Message 1230793.
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...Per the election I think Obama is in trouble...


Sorry to take your whole post and whittle it down to this ^, but it'll be a cold day in hell before republicans have a chance this year. People are more and more in the "know", and with all the ideas the republicans are throwing around, and all the laws republicans are passing in some states (AZ for example), this country will not be voting in a republican, especially Romney. Especially with a Democrat incumbent. I'd bet my life on it.

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Message 1230915 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 11:37:48 UTC
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Message 1230973 - Posted: 12 May 2012, 13:22:49 UTC

I was saddened by the realization that we as a country have such low ambitions, and have lost our way when it comes to the spirit of space exploration and the need for a national program to do big things. Instead, those who desire the big wheels of government look to petty handouts and a paternal state system.


Right As Rain Broheim. I'd rather see TRILLIONS go to a Moon Base than see Agencies, as so Aptly Posted By Sir Guy, get All That Taxpayer Dough.

I'd Love To See all those Hand Outs Agency Job workers push themselves away from their computers/phones/paperwork, walk out of The Cubicle, out of The Office Building and over to The Hanger/Fabrication-Assembly Building and Get Cracking on REAL WORK putting HumanKind On The Moon.

We, As Humans, have to get off this Live Planet, where we are Destroying Life(non-human kind) and get on a Dead Planet, where we can start Destroying Ourselves without Destroying Defensiveless(against us) life.

But, The Zombies(Dem/Libs/Socialists) Of The Pitiful(Prez) Party won't have it.

Meh For Prez. To The Moon Meh! Thanks Newt!

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