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Message 1228787 - Posted: 7 May 2012, 20:44:51 UTC - in response to Message 1228775.

Hmm, but the Results returned and awaiting validation for AP 505 is now all of a sudden down to zero. What's up with that?

Gone into waiting to purge, so obviously the staff has done something. Checking the list of eleven I posted in message 1196397 last February, four are showing "Completed, too late to validate" for the last reported result, but in the other seven they're still "Completed, waiting for validation".
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Same here, of my 4, two are now showing in my invalid list as returned too late to validate. However, they have a credit allocated to them. I cannot work out if I have been allocated this credit or not. If not, this is a disappointing con as the results were retuned within deadline. They really should not be in an invalid list as they were totally consistent with the other two results for the WUs

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Message 1228788 - Posted: 7 May 2012, 20:48:03 UTC - in response to Message 1228775.

Hmm, but the Results returned and awaiting validation for AP 505 is now all of a sudden down to zero. What's up with that?

Gone into waiting to purge, so obviously the staff has done something. Checking the list of eleven I posted in message 1196397 last February, four are showing "Completed, too late to validate" for the last reported result, but in the other seven they're still "Completed, waiting for validation".
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They must have done something. Several of the old stuck ones I have now have credit for all of the hosts. Although 2 still have hosts with "pending". I imagine the query might still be running.
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Message 1228794 - Posted: 7 May 2012, 20:59:16 UTC - in response to Message 1228775.

Hmm, but the Results returned and awaiting validation for AP 505 is now all of a sudden down to zero. What's up with that?

Gone into waiting to purge, so obviously the staff has done something. Checking the list of eleven I posted in message 1196397 last February, four are showing "Completed, too late to validate" for the last reported result, but in the other seven they're still "Completed, waiting for validation".
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Yeah, that's where they went :-)

I still have 5 of my AP's in limbo though. 2 valida.....Oops, I give up. As I wrote this things started to change with my hanging 505s. They're doing something as I write.

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Message 1228812 - Posted: 7 May 2012, 21:27:54 UTC - in response to Message 1228787.

Hmm, but the Results returned and awaiting validation for AP 505 is now all of a sudden down to zero. What's up with that?

Gone into waiting to purge, so obviously the staff has done something. Checking the list of eleven I posted in message 1196397 last February, four are showing "Completed, too late to validate" for the last reported result, but in the other seven they're still "Completed, waiting for validation".
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Same here, of my 4, two are now showing in my invalid list as returned too late to validate. However, they have a credit allocated to them. I cannot work out if I have been allocated this credit or not. If not, this is a disappointing con as the results were retuned within deadline. They really should not be in an invalid list as they were totally consistent with the other two results for the WUs

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?userid=9412958&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=


Update, all for of my AP5's have now been moved to invalid on the grounds that they were too late to validate. I am fairly sure that I did not get any credit for them, despite returning them before the deadline and with a valid result:((
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Message 1228815 - Posted: 7 May 2012, 21:32:49 UTC - in response to Message 1228812.
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Update, all for of my AP5's have now been moved to invalid on the grounds that they were too late to validate. I am fairly sure that I did not get any credit for them, despite returning them before the deadline and with a valid result:((

You got credit for them, you can see that once in the results list for each of those WUs and also in each result's details.

EDIT: we are down to 41 now.
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Message 1228835 - Posted: 7 May 2012, 22:18:19 UTC - in response to Message 1228815.

Update, all for of my AP5's have now been moved to invalid on the grounds that they were too late to validate. I am fairly sure that I did not get any credit for them, despite returning them before the deadline and with a valid result:((

You got credit for them, you can see that once in the results list for each of those WUs and also in each result's details.

EDIT: we are down to 41 now.

Eric has scripts he uses at SETI Beta to grant credit for completed tasks when work needs to be cancelled or such, I think one of those or similar is probably being used.

I just knew 42 wasn't the final answer! ;^)
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Message 1229028 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 7:23:15 UTC - in response to Message 1228815.
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Update, all for of my AP5's have now been moved to invalid on the grounds that they were too late to validate. I am fairly sure that I did not get any credit for them, despite returning them before the deadline and with a valid result:((

You got credit for them, you can see that once in the results list for each of those WUs and also in each result's details.

EDIT: we are down to 41 now.


OK, but I still dont like having them classed as invalid. Invalid implies my PC did something wrong and produced results that did not match the others. They should have gone into valid even if they were not used as part of the validation process.

EDIT now down to 40
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Message 1229030 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 7:44:08 UTC - in response to Message 1229028.

OK, but I still dont like having them classed as invalid. Invalid implies my PC did something wrong and produced results that did not match the others. They should have gone into valid even if they were not used as part of the validation process.

My guess is that BOINC knows only valid and invalid, so since the results were not part of the validation process, they are marked invalid, as it's not sure, if they actually were valid. After all it doesn't matter, neither for the science nor for your application statistics (your consecutive valid tasks value was not reseted to 0), so give it few hours more and nobody will know you had any "invalid" results.
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Message 1229052 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 9:58:14 UTC

Based on a linear extrapolation of the data since this thread began, I estimate that the last result will be returned on 18 May.

But I suppose resends could make me look a bit foolish!

Place your bets! ;)
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Message 1229057 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 10:21:30 UTC - in response to Message 1229052.

Based on a linear extrapolation of the data since this thread began, I estimate that the last result will be returned on 18 May.

But I suppose resends could make me look a bit foolish!

Place your bets! ;)


What time on the 18th?

40 now
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Message 1229058 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 10:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 1229030.

OK, but I still dont like having them classed as invalid. Invalid implies my PC did something wrong and produced results that did not match the others. They should have gone into valid even if they were not used as part of the validation process.

My guess is that BOINC knows only valid and invalid, so since the results were not part of the validation process, they are marked invalid, as it's not sure, if they actually were valid. After all it doesn't matter, neither for the science nor for your application statistics (your consecutive valid tasks value was not reseted to 0), so give it few hours more and nobody will know you had any "invalid" results.


True but I will know!
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Message 1229059 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 10:24:32 UTC - in response to Message 1229052.

Based on a linear extrapolation of the data since this thread began, I estimate that the last result will be returned on 18 May.

But I suppose resends could make me look a bit foolish!

Place your bets! ;)


18 May which year? I suspect most of the ones still out in the field are ones that error out on some / all software versions requiring multiple resends with 3 week intervals before each resend
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Message 1229109 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 13:54:56 UTC - in response to Message 1229028.

Update, all for of my AP5's have now been moved to invalid on the grounds that they were too late to validate. I am fairly sure that I did not get any credit for them, despite returning them before the deadline and with a valid result:((

You got credit for them, you can see that once in the results list for each of those WUs and also in each result's details.

EDIT: we are down to 41 now.


OK, but I still dont like having them classed as invalid. Invalid implies my PC did something wrong and produced results that did not match the others. They should have gone into valid even if they were not used as part of the validation process.

EDIT now down to 40


and now down to 39!
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Message 1229116 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 14:13:59 UTC - in response to Message 1229109.

and now down to 39!


And still on track for completion at 08:35 UTC on 18 May 2012.
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Message 1229181 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 19:57:53 UTC - in response to Message 1229116.

14!
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Message 1229187 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 20:18:59 UTC - in response to Message 1229181.

14!


13. they are dropping like flies. At this rate they will not last until 18 May
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Message 1229192 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 20:31:38 UTC - in response to Message 1229187.

13. they are dropping like flies. At this rate they will not last until 18 May


So much for linear extrapolation. As Joseph Heller once said, "Something Happened!" during the weekly outage.
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Message 1229193 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 20:33:14 UTC - in response to Message 1229187.

14!


13. they are dropping like flies. At this rate they will not last until 18 May

And the best part is that they are purging as well! I was just looking at my list of stuck AP v505 tasks and one that was fixed up yesterday poofed. The tasks being stuck was bothering me a lot more than any credit issues.
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Message 1229200 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 20:48:59 UTC - in response to Message 1229187.

14!


13. they are dropping like flies. At this rate they will not last until 18 May

Result turnaround time (last hour average): 0.17 hours

Must have been quite a few "too much blanking" tasks that timed out recently and were resend to hosts with small or empty caches.
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Message 1229245 - Posted: 8 May 2012, 22:28:15 UTC
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12!

Edit: now 7 + 123. I wonder who will do the last one.

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