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Message 1258709 - Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 4:04:46 UTC

Gee, I must have finally gone mad, musicplayer's post almost made sense to me.
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Message 1258766 - Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 6:13:56 UTC
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Hi Bob!

You mentioned me, I see.

If you don't mind - a task is supposed to be returning the best number it found back in return to the server.

Is it possible to make a separation or distinguish between a possible signal and "best number" from a given task?

I guess the Count column in SMV may give a possible hint or indication of such a fact.

If E.T.'s numbers ever showed up in the numbers, would such numbers appear to be valid by us and if so, would they be numbers at all?

Does a gaussian alone tell whether a (running) signal was ever present, or is a gaussian score a summary of at least the pulses, spikes and possibly triplets also which went through a task and was interpreted as being one or more gaussians?

Except for the WOW signal, all other Seti@home candidate scores are assumed to be either gaussians, pulses, or triplets, or maybe a combination of these three elements. Can such numbers possibly make up a narrowband signal?

Your thoughts on this, Bob.

Thank you very much!

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Message 1258791 - Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 7:43:13 UTC

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Even though I have been participating in the Seti@home project for over twelve years I have very little knowledge of the specifics of how the analysis is done or what the results indicate. There are other members though who actively participate in the project who might be able to give you an answer. The limit of my participation has been to make my computer available to run the analysis of data.
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Message 1258812 - Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 8:19:43 UTC

As I basically understand it, Seti is searching for signals that according to our current knowledge, are unlikely to be of natural origin. The five types are

Spikes in power spectra
Gaussian rises and falls in transmission power
Triplets — three power spikes in a row
Pulsing signals that possibly represent a narrowband digital-style transmission
Autocorrelation detects signal waveforms.

After RFI is filtered out, any "interesting" signals will be looked at again, to see if there is repeatability, or it was just a random once off. If they find one it will then be verified by other scientific institutions. That's about as basic as I can make it, I'm sure Seti has a link with much more detail than that.

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Message 1259054 - Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 18:46:20 UTC - in response to Message 1258812.

Hi Chris.

Since you gave me that specific answer, let me ask you the following:

Some tasks by means of their graphics visible may possibly detect broadband transmissions which are assumed to come from ourselves.

If such transmissions were detected, either coming from space or ourselves, how would this possibly be visible in the numbers being returned by the client?

Would anything of interest or significance possibly be detected in this way?

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Message 1259090 - Posted: 11 Jul 2012, 19:50:10 UTC - in response to Message 1223370.

http://s1164.photobucket.com/albums/q563/u812y/?action=view&current=ufo-sighting-baghdad.jpg/


Not real! The cables, smoke stacks &the building showing between the leftmost stacks are pretty much in focus, yet the "object" which is closer to the camera than those, is not clear.

If the camera is that good, it should have picked up that object with sharper detail.
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Message 1259342 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 12:51:38 UTC
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I'd say if truely alienish S@H signal ever get caught then there is 99.999% chance that that event to be highly classified and if lucky after a decade or two will be declassified.

Because religious vulnerability in either east and west is too high like "end is near" craps. So if first positive S@H signal get caught then thousands of religious communities will immediately call "our savior god is coming or calling" or if first threatening signal is caught then "end is near" campaign will accelerate.
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Message 1259379 - Posted: 12 Jul 2012, 14:41:09 UTC - in response to Message 1259342.

Firstly, in order to determine a signal is truly of alien origin, the project scientists at SETI@Home would need to have the signal verified and peer-reviewed by dozens, if not hundreds of fellow scientists.

Once the signal has been confirmed to be of alien origin, even if the U.S. Government tried to exert force in preventing the information from reaching the general public, all it would take is any one of those hundreds of scientists to release the information and the metaphorical cat would be out of the bag.

I also do not believe for a second that even if the U.S. Government were to try to hide an alien signal that any scientist would simply comply without telling the public that not only have they found an alien signal, but that the government was trying to stop them from going public.


I, however, don't see the U.S. Government handling a confirmed alien signal that way. Rather, the U.S. Government would be just as interested in such a find, and instead of trying to hide it, they would begin public debates about how to proceed with such information. Should we try to contact them? Should we find ways to study them further before contacting them?

Yes, undoubtedly some religious fanatics all over the world (not just in the U.S.) would try to claim some divinity with such a finding, but you have crazies in every crowd. The rest of the world would move forward as it always has regardless of what the crazies claim.

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Message 1259742 - Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 8:59:08 UTC
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@Musicplayer - as far as I know the Seti software was not designed to look for broadband signals. They work on the principle that any alien transmission is likely to be a narrowband one. I don't have enough scientific knowledge to understand why that is, but there will be some information somewhere about it.

@Blankuser - If a signal were found that could be verified as being of alien origin, you can bet your bottom dollar that every country in the world would want to reverse engineer their science or technology, for their own military purposes. Therefore there would be no impetus for the USA government to let anyone else get a death ray before them.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were not a shady Government dept somewhere in the Pentagon that is keeping an eye on Seti progress. And could even have access to all tae data that Seti uses, and be doing their own analysis on a super computer somewhere. They could well know something before Seti does.

Ooooh a new conspiracy theory .....

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Message 1259801 - Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 12:20:32 UTC - in response to Message 1259742.

@Musicplayer - as far as I know the Seti software was not designed to look for broadband signals. They work on the principle that any alien transmission is likely to be a narrowband one. I don't have enough scientific knowledge to understand why that is, but there will be some information somewhere about it.


Simple answer is that Wideband transmissions have limited range whereas Narrowband is excellent for long range.
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Message 1259831 - Posted: 13 Jul 2012, 13:24:54 UTC - in response to Message 1259742.

@Blankuser - If a signal were found that could be verified as being of alien origin, you can bet your bottom dollar that every country in the world would want to reverse engineer their science or technology, for their own military purposes. Therefore there would be no impetus for the USA government to let anyone else get a death ray before them.


Simply detecting an alien signal is not going to give a nation a "death ray". First, a signal would have to be detected and confirmed. To do this, some fairly intelligent people would be working on determining if the signal was real and where it came from.

But yes, I have no doubt every nation on Earth would have an interest, and it is for that reason why those fairly intelligent people would like to collaborate on the finding with each other. The mere fact that collaboration would happen would also suggest that numerous people would be aware of it, and as I've said previously, the bigger the secret, the harder it is to keep hidden.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were not a shady Government dept somewhere in the Pentagon that is keeping an eye on Seti progress. And could even have access to all tae data that Seti uses, and be doing their own analysis on a super computer somewhere. They could well know something before Seti does.


Agreed that the US Government could be doing their own analysis, but I doubt such a "shady government dept" would get much funding without any real reason to believe they will find anything. Likely the private or educational sectors will do all the work, then once a signal is found, the government will "suddenly" find a way to fund a dept dedicated to learning more about it.

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Message 1260503 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:02:15 UTC - in response to Message 1259831.
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Ever ask yourself why are UFOs above top secret some nuclear material dont require anything above secret. Heres why when President Reagan did his ET speach at the UN a sudden and abrupt end of disclosure started.The president then signs an excutive order to make anything regaurding UFOs is classified above top secret. Photos, Videos trace evidence was hidden destroyed or denied. This way makes the information exempt from access under freedom of information act. Its signing made everything regaurding UFOs is unaccessible or even destroyed. President Reagan never again brought up UFOs. Strange even though what he said at the UN. www.youtube /Ronald Reagans ET speech
In 60 years many of our most secret bases have had landings, overflights and intrusions many times. Whitesands is our premier missle testing base and not ever, has anything been attempted to shoot down any UFO. In 1960 US and USSR both stopped attempted shoot downs of UFOs accounted for many test pilots killoed trying to shoot them down.
Wright Patterson AFB is rumored to have "The Blue Room" with the
possibly of 7-37 ET bodies and reversed engineered ufo studies. Here is a tidbit to this Richard Nixon and the late Jackie Gleason the comedian were close friends and they were golf buddies and jackie mentioned aliens and nixon said wanna see one? Nixon drove his own car to Wright Patterson and drove thru several checkpoints and entered a building . In this building was a being in what looked like an iron lung deceased and fozen an alien being was there. Jackie Gleason told this to a Natinal Enquirer reporter and it took off in the tabloid.
Heres a kicker Ben Rich wrote a handwritten memo to one of his high level friends.This guy is the head of Lockheeds Skunkworks. He is on first name basis with many of the highest generals and several presidents. He had access to the most classified secrets the US has. His memo said: I belive that we have both manmade ufos and extraterresial UFOs. Why would this guy write this? It has to perk your interest.
Could the US be helping ET by making their existance a non-event and hiding their presaence for 60 years. Maybe the secrets to the stars requires the world to ignore the UFOs. It would make sense because too many sightings worldwide even some 3300 cases of trace evidence, imprimts, footprints altered soils. Just think if ET has been visiting earth for milliums and could be the sourse of the Gods of The Sky mentioned by many nations. Just think maybe Mohhammad was an ET. It would spread panic and panic worldwide and rewrite history books religion would be impacted. Maybe the ET visitation is by a race of aliens their world is doomed and the last of their race. For our ticket to stars we must help them.

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Message 1260516 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 2:54:06 UTC - in response to Message 1260503.

Again, just because the government classifies something as top secret, doesn't mean there's something to hide. If you were to ask me a question and I told you that it was none of your business, that doesn't mean I'm hiding something or that whatever you asked was somehow true.

Also, don't confuse someone stating their personal opinion that they believe there's extraterrestrial UFOs doesn't mean he had inside knowledge, even if he did know a former President. Knowing someone doesn't mean you are granted intimate knowledge of every detail they may or may not be aware of. I find it even funnier that he fed the information to the National Enquirer, likely because he knew that they're a garbage newspaper and it's always funny to feed them crap they'll publish without proof.

The same goes for Ben Rich. Being friends with high level people doesn't automatically make you privy to all the knowledge and "secrets" the US Government has/had.

Stop paying attention to gossip and who knows who and start looking for facts and evidence. Everything else is just minor details, and more often than not you're (you being plural for everyone that suggests things like you do) going to add them up the wrong way.

The mere suggestion that there's somehow a conspiracy to "ease" ET into our society is just ludicrous. Let the fantasies and conspiracies go and realize that if ET were here, there would be a tremendous amount of irrefutable evidence and facts.

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Message 1260663 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 14:16:16 UTC

Ahhhh.... comon you guys! Your pulling my leg here, aren't you?

Everybody knows this SETI@home project is a black-ops cover so the US government can listen and chat with aliens! Comon guys, lets stop hiding whats going on here!

We know Dr. Eric Korpela works for the CIA as an under-cover agent. And its public knowledge that Matt Lebofsky is a Russian double agent, and a spy. Dan Werthimer works part time for the British MI5 and Scotland Yard, and Dr. David Anderson is a spy for Interpol, and he feeds alien messages back and forth between the Russians and the Chinese.

Its all one giant conspiracy, but i thought everybody knew that :)...LOL

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Message 1260667 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 14:33:43 UTC

Nice one Johnney, best laugh all weekend!!!

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Message 1260696 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 16:36:22 UTC

This thread is incredible. I love reading the opinions of so many different people in regards to ET UFO's and whether or not Earth has been or is currently being visited. Regardless of the differing opinions, I think there is one underlying commonality that applies; there must be some concept we all share of the possibility that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe and it's this possibility that has all of us wondering, which has then led us to this project.

Cheers, guys and gals :D
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Message 1260747 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 18:38:40 UTC - in response to Message 1260667.
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Nice one Johnney, best laugh all weekend!!!


Are you kidding me Chris,
A little birdie told me your wrapped up in this conspiracy too. Bet you go off and feed information from these message boards back to the Queen of England or something. The Royal alien conspiracy. We know what your up to buddy, can't fool, me :)

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Message 1260783 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 20:08:43 UTC

The Royal alien conspiracy.

Shhhhhh, the Royal Automobile Club (RAC) was just the front organisation.

Barman, if you would be so kind begorrah, to please give that gentleman over there another glass of the black gold. And it's a fine beer so it is. And one for me and your goodself bejesus. We are enjoying ourselves so we are.

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Message 1260849 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 21:27:19 UTC - in response to Message 1260783.


'Sláinte chuig na fir, agus go mairfidh na mná go deo.'

LOL..... Wish i could speak Irish :) Must be some kind of Gaelic Alien conspiracy :)

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Message 1260905 - Posted: 15 Jul 2012, 23:41:09 UTC
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Well americans largely spun off from irish and english maybe most of those ufo and alien myths and rumoring traditions likely have been passed from continent to continent and across those nationalities generations.

For example the great honorable Mr.George Bush jr is all english maybe with some irish mix.
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