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Message 1266587 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 2:49:47 UTC - in response to Message 1266584.  
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Jeez the Roswell link disappeared that MUFON posted but I didnt think anything in fragments that was there. All terrestial alloys no iridium high content of magnesium alloy. Was wondering if its radioactive blast debris from almalgordo test sites. Some pieces looked layered alloy. Around that area for the last 60 years missles anti aircraft guns atomic blasts aerobee sounding rockets that crashed everywhere. No telling what all the metal is related found in the same area. No idea why they think this metal is extraterrestrial.
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Message 1266596 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 3:43:06 UTC - in response to Message 1263159.  

Lets look at the facts.


I wish we would.

In 1951 Eisenhower wanted UFOs shot down and access to what the airforce had. Please watch Eisenhower Military Industrial complex was above any of his authority to question.


Cite authoritative reference please?
Look this up on youtube / google it/ Eisenhowers military complex out of control speech 1953

An order to shoot down UFOs doesn't mean alien UFOs. It simply means to shoot down anything unidentified. Where is the evidence that this means alien UFOs as you're suggesting?
Project twinkle was set up to study green fireballs over secure areas Sandia labs Los alamos whitesands almalgorgo 10-30 or more sightings. Several pilots lost to pursuits.

In 2009 after 60 years of dening that the Airforce knows nothing about UFOs. A Dr Woods came up with 2 copies of Airforce Manual on Racovery and Disposal of UFOs. The ink stamps and watermarks are all originals and then another copy showed up from a different source. Dr Woods doesnt document anaylis for the government.
You didnt watcgh the video its very informative and you wouldnt ask this.

Where did Dr. Woods and this "other source" get these manuals? How do we know they're real? What evidence do we have that supports his claims? What reason do we have to believe these documents are real? Actually a souce that told Stanton Friedman the address of a man that had 335 papers and asked if Dr Woods would want to verify the papers that this man had.The manuaul was the first given to Dr Woods. I have a email to verify from Stanton fFiedman on this same fact to verify it.

A trillion or more dollars in black budget funds have been used for what.

If all this 194 trillion dollars Debt more than half is in black budgets and just a small portion is known aboput.21 B2 bommbers B1s cancelled reactivated B1b railgun 100 million UFOs are on the same list.

For plenty of Black Ops. Any actual evidence to support the idea that "a trillion or more dollars" is spent covering up alien existence?

Several presidents and many airforce top officials are guity of covering up and squaundering billions without a chain of command and presidents and the public lied to. No verifaction of what funds go where and what chain of authorization in place. The atomic bomber engines and research of atomic rocket engines that worked 110 million a year for 10 years theb abandoned and buried in situ.


Ok, firstly, I won't even bother to argue on how you supposedly know where billions of dollars are going without the public knowing - yet somehow every alien conspiracy theorist knows exactly where. And so does every believer in the "NWO" theory. And so does every believer in every government conspiracy knows exactly where the money is going! They "just need to get the word out to the unknowning public". Come on! I have no doubt that money was squandered, but until you can provide evidence for what you're suggesting, you're just making unsupported claims, which makes you look foolish, and I don't really think you're a fool.
The US public has no voice nor any chain of commands with any secure black operations. Some not even the president nor congress can stop the cash flow. How does money from the treasury get to contractors?what banks bankers know about these transactions when congress cant find out.

Since 1953 something happened and UFOs became a state secret why? Contact?, communication?, and alliance to assist them, who knows but our countrys woes are directly related to these black projects that, only a select few know about but a chain of command from the funds to airforce is secret. A whole chain of people know about where funds are acquired and distributed without record makes illegal under present laws. They cannot have this no accounting of these funds even without congress or the president knwing about it or approving such massive funds without any redtaint or dicumentation. And this is getting bigger with the US 194 trillion in the red.


UFOs became a state secret in case the claims were actually real, and like any ongoing investigation, it will likely always remain a state secret. <sigh> Again, just because the government classifies something as "secret", doesn't mean they're hiding "the truth".


You haven't brought a single fact to the table. You've brought the same unverified claims every alien conspiracy theorists bring up constantly. Again, watch those Penn and Teller videos that deal with this self-defeating logic and why it's nothing more than foolishness.

Where is the evidence?

You need some reading on the subject.
Why are any reports on UFOs above top secret or why do something that dont exist by the airforce but a manaul comes out on how to Recover and disposal of UFOs published in 2009. Bluebook which had a secret budget was supposed to stop in 1970 but this manual cpomes out.
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Message 1266597 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 3:50:11 UTC - in response to Message 1266596.  

Of you all the launches of missles on the testing ranges from 1947 to 1970s of all missles shot at whitesands, by type by test and exactly none were shot at UFOS but 33,000 sightings of craft overflying secure areas when the US is in the knorean war and they persist till 60s. 1953 the cold war is raging fingers on the missles and not once shot down an unknown aircraft over whitesands. Now wouldnt your Hot shot missle shooter wanna plug a UFO. It never happened over whitesands, almagordo, sandia labs, Los Alamos, or even Washington DC TWICE.
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Message 1266615 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 5:26:19 UTC - in response to Message 1257704.  

I grew up in Almagordo from 1953 to 1957 my Dad worked on all the ranges one time or another. The 1947 Roswell incident was very much alive and you could buy a ufo lunchbox and ray gun waterguns. Some of the clearest skys you can see tons of stuff. In 1956 there was a meteor shower that was the biggest Id ever seen. But I did see green fireballs that changed directions so did the government.
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International Director David MacDonald’s column, July issue, MUFON Journal:

(At this year’s Symposium)

“It is our intent to release not one but two MAJOR announcements which will resonate throughout the UFO community for years to come. One of these pronouncements is so sensitive that MUFON management asked that it not be released until proper security protocols were in place to protect the safety of the material and the people in whose possession it resides. Those protocols are now being undertaken and will be complete in time for the Symposium.”

Symposium Agenda Item for 4:30—6:30pm, Sunday, August 5: “National Release of “Blockbuster” UFO discovery”.

MUFON UFO Journal July 2012 No. 531


Publicity effort, or......?

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If your watching that website, do post back and tell us what ever the announcement is. Maybe they have something interesting to tell us.

Thanks Larry,
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Message 1266655 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 9:59:33 UTC

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They don't call it "Alamogordo" for nothing.

Alamogordo means Jackass in Spanish. The city was named for all the dumb-ass UFO believers.





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Message 1266686 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 11:41:32 UTC - in response to Message 1266596.  

You need some reading on the subject.


No, I'm pretty sure I know all I need to know about itl

Why are any reports on UFOs above top secret or why do something that dont exist by the airforce but a manaul comes out on how to Recover and disposal of UFOs published in 2009. Bluebook which had a secret budget was supposed to stop in 1970 but this manual cpomes out.


Why are the citizens of Bangor, Maine prepared for the zombie apocalypse? Do they know something we don't?

Vis a vis: why does a book about how to recover and dispose of UFOs indicate the presence of UFOs? Alien paranoia was at an all-time high in the 70s, there's no doubt that the government wanted to be ready for it in case any of the claims were true. So far, none have been proven.
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Of you all the launches of missles on the testing ranges from 1947 to 1970s of all missles shot at whitesands, by type by test and exactly none were shot at UFOS but 33,000 sightings of craft overflying secure areas when the US is in the knorean war and they persist till 60s. 1953 the cold war is raging fingers on the missles and not once shot down an unknown aircraft over whitesands. Now wouldnt your Hot shot missle shooter wanna plug a UFO. It never happened over whitesands, almagordo, sandia labs, Los Alamos, or even Washington DC TWICE.


Agreed. They would want to shoot down a UFO. They never did because we haven't been visited. Are you claiming that the lack of shooting down a UFO despite alleged sightings is somehow proof of a government cover-up? So if I claim that I want to shoot down all the flying pigs in the sky and I don't, does that mean I'm covering up the existence of flying pigs?

Come on Larry! You're smarter than that!
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I grew up in Almagordo from 1953 to 1957 my Dad worked on all the ranges one time or another. The 1947 Roswell incident was very much alive and you could buy a ufo lunchbox and ray gun waterguns. Some of the clearest skys you can see tons of stuff. In 1956 there was a meteor shower that was the biggest Id ever seen. But I did see green fireballs that changed directions so did the government.


Oh yeah, I'm sure you can buy "ray guns" and lunch boxes. The UFO movement has made millions, if not billions off the gullible believers. Psychics share much of the same market for selling books on how to talk to the dead. There's a sucker born every minute.

So are you saying that what you believe you saw couldn't be explained naturally if you researched it enough? Or do you not want it to be explained by any other explanation other than "it was a UFO"?
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Message 1266725 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 15:42:59 UTC

Nowadays even London 2012 is not safe from UFO visitation: :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDpdBCYQIsM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JdI5TxLejA

Probably they are enjoying to scare religious communities out there. :D
Mandtugai!
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Message 1266815 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 20:29:23 UTC
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Heres something that Strephan Greer found and examined a beong that appears not to be from earth. Maybe this is the second half of the MUFON annoucement that Dr. Greer posted Aug 1, 2012.

Hmm would someone please bring the salt so some people can eat their hats?





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I'm sure Steven Greer's message will have been seen by a lot of people but for those who haven't here it is:

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"BREAKING NEWS: URGENT

There is a chance that we may be able to include in the film "Sirius" the scientific testing of a possible Extraterrestrial Biological Entity (EBE) that has been recovered and is deceased. This EBE is in the possession of a cooperative institute desiring further scientific evaluation of the possible ET. We cannot reveal at this time the location of this being or the name of the person or persons who possess it.

Dr. Jan Bravo- who is a STAR Board member and a fellow Emergency Physician- and I have actually visited the group that possesses this EBE and have personally and professionally examined the being. It is indeed an actual deceased body, and most certainly is not plastic or man-made. It has a head, 2 arms and 2 legs and is humanoid . We have seen and examined X-Rays of the being. Its anatomy however is not homo sapien (modern human) or any known hominid (predecessors to humans).

As you can imagine, the security and scientific issues surrounding the further testing of this potentially explosive and world- changing evidence are mind-boggling. However, we feel we simply must proceed expeditiously but cautiously. The cost of doing proper MRI testing, full and dispositive forensic-level DNA testing and carbon dating with other isotope testing are considerable and certainly not currently funded. We must rule out other hominids, bizarre genetic defects and so forth. But it is most certainly an actual biological specimen - and it may be - well, what it looks like.

If you can assist further with funding the campaign for Sirius we will attempt to carry out this scientific inquiry, however daunting it may be. We are currently investigating what these costs will be, but they will certainly be in the tens of thousands of dollars and perhaps more.

Dr. Bravo, myself, Dr. Ted Loder, Professor Emeritus University of New Hampshire, and other scientists who wish to remain confidential will be doing the examinations and testing. A top DNA lab will be engaged for appropriate DNA evaluation.

The only reason I mention this sensitive matter at this time is that in order for this possible ET body to be properly evaluated and disclosed in "Sirius" - which is planned for completion in December 2012- we must act immediately. We will need your help with funding this and the rest of "Sirius". And we cannot buy the safety and security that millions of people knowing about what we are doing can afford. Shadowy classified projects would prefer for us not to proceed, just as they wished that we not proceed with DisclosureProject.org in 2001. But we did. And we are here to tell the tale because millions of people knew what we were doing well before that historic event.

You the public are our shield. You are our protectors, along with providence. While the testing will be confidential and done very discreetly until results are known- the fact that we are pursuing this evidence must be known by millions of people in order for us to be protected. Tell everyone you know-now.

The worst case scenario is that this being is not what it appears to be. But if it is: My God!"
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Now somebody had to be taking pictures of what they saw. Forgive me if Im a bit reserved about this by it might be the cork off the Genies bottle and we dont know what will pop out next.
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Message 1266819 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 20:38:21 UTC - in response to Message 1266815.  
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Hmm I cant wait and what will the government allow us to see once this cat is out of the bag. Only if it was proven once and for all but all along you have to say all these sightings trace evidence but never a real body with DNA test results. If real this could be the biggest and most sensitive subject ever in mankinds history. Im hoping its true we will see.
Wait theres not a law prohibiting haveing an alien body is there? I posted the link to trace elements and the test results from roswell debris.
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Message 1266823 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 20:41:40 UTC - in response to Message 1266655.  

What would say if this real? Would you balk and say they faked the evidence? or would you politely eat your hat if true all along.
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Message 1266852 - Posted: 2 Aug 2012, 22:19:43 UTC - in response to Message 1266823.  

let's see a picture. I will tell you which monkey it is .
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Message 1266873 - Posted: 3 Aug 2012, 0:17:23 UTC - in response to Message 1266852.  
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let's see a picture. I will tell you which monkey it is .


He said they were humanoid 2 arm 2 legs but thats what greer daid but internally different from us. But of couse no pictures and I aint buying a book by him. I want fundimental questions answerted and only DNA can answer. Hasnt fell upon the news and might be controlled by media. Its in public hands is the big thing is it real can be the first question. Next from where? And this would raise a million questions. One is see what shakes out on monday afternooom 1:30 to 5:30 at the MUFON symposium.
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Message 1266877 - Posted: 3 Aug 2012, 0:36:25 UTC
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Larry,
This sounds like something Steven Greer made up so he could raise money to fund this new film he is making, "Sirius", if that's what the film is called. Sounds like he just want's to get some hype going in the media so his new film will make big money.

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Message 1266895 - Posted: 3 Aug 2012, 3:28:11 UTC - in response to Message 1266877.  

Larry,
This sounds like something Steven Greer made up so he could raise money to fund this new film he is making, "Sirius", if that's what the film is called. Sounds like he just want's to get some hype going in the media so his new film will make big money.

John.


Stephen Greer is puttimg alot on the line and he knows it. If nothing else is heard soon, then something isnt right. DNA tests take about 48 hours so he has his results or he doesnt have anything. Been no retraction or oops we were wrong. Big if he isnt alot of carefull questions will be asked and good answers are the most important.
The second part is the roswell evidence that has high concentrations in a metal like aluminum. One piece has multiple layers under microscope. This is part of MUFONS announcement.
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Stephen Greer is puttimg alot on the line and he knows it. If nothing else is heard soon, then something isnt right. DNA tests take about 48 hours so he has his results or he doesnt have anything. Been no retraction or oops we were wrong. Big if he isnt alot of carefull questions will be asked and good answers are the most important.
The second part is the roswell evidence that has high concentrations in a metal like aluminum. One piece has multiple layers under microscope. This is part of MUFONS announcement.

Larry,
You seem like a nice guy, a genuine good bloke. Just don't get suckered into giving him money or donations. If Stephen Greer has some REAL evidence, then he will come clean with that evidence to prove his point. Don't give him any money Larry. Keep your money and buy something nice for one of your children or your wife or your parents.

In the months before any new movie is released, marketing guys are hired to "Promote" and "Publicise" the movie in advance. They put out adverts in the news and the media saying things like "Everybody is talking about our new movie". They try to create a sensation and hype in the general public and then the public will want to see the movie when its released. That way, the movie makes lots of money. Sounds like Stephen Greer is doing exactly that!

What better way to sell an alien movie than to tell everybody that "You got to go see the movie if you want to see the REAL alien evidence".

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Message 1267361 - Posted: 4 Aug 2012, 3:27:02 UTC - in response to Message 1266921.  

He aint getting none of my money unless its real and I can buy stock LOL
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Message 1267403 - Posted: 4 Aug 2012, 5:23:30 UTC - in response to Message 1262256.  

Reletivity can bigger ships be their long distance transport. In space Ive learned its a strange place with many unknowns. Maybe some form of trasport time is irelevent but home as they left it would be much changed. Nothing would be like you remember even your grandkids would be dead or even your home world is doomed. You come all this way and cant return what then? How could you stand extreme acceleration for a long extended peroid? How long would it take to get to here from their home world. Flights of fancy for some but imagination fuels discovery and open minds can say anything is possible given enough time.
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