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Message 1264204 - Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 20:34:06 UTC - in response to Message 1264152.  

Oh yeah, and you can find lots of people trying to capture ghosts and post the videos on Youtube too. People can believe anything they want. If they want others to believe it as well, you need to provide evidence.
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Message 1264289 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 1:08:53 UTC - in response to Message 1264204.  

Problem is something in the sky is being seen everywhere but at the poles. Pilots with 28 years flying put their reputations on the line.28 Militarys through out the world see someting enough to do studies on them for peroids of time.
It is so much a part of our lives most think you have to be a psycopath to belive. Then there are 3000 cases of trace evidence. The airforce has had ongoing dis-information since 1953 why if they dont exist but 30,000 overflights of the most secure areas in the world and not one shoot down NOT A ONE IN 60 years. Ever ask yourself why.
A manual circa 2009 is UFO recovery and disposal manual one of two found both were genuine with correct stamps and watermarks and signatures. In 1970s Project Blue-Book was disbanded but there is surely something to keep all dis-information going.
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Message 1264291 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 1:24:49 UTC - in response to Message 1263489.  
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Ill will rest my case if you explain what was at Rhedahlshem Air Force base in 1980. 2 countrys report an incident at a nuclear storage area inside the wire. and a human touched a craft swore and signed with over 80 sworn witnesses and civial aircontrolers, joints Chiefs of staff for England and the US. This created a nuclear regulatory incident/accident report. They mustve all been having mass hysteria. And made the misstake of lieing under oath to Joint Chiefs of staff.
If you answer this I will document all your questions with a video response or a direction to where the information can be found..

Flares green fireballs see over 6000 square miles of cities and secure areas hundereds of miles apart. Progect sign/ project grudge was formed to study them.
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Message 1264292 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 1:36:45 UTC - in response to Message 1262782.  

The star charts with 11 major stars was correct in every asspect. I dont think I could draw the same from memory. This is Glise 581 system thats earth like superearths have been found 29 lightyears away.
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Message 1264362 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 9:41:31 UTC
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The most funny part in this thread is someone nameless faceless sitting behind keyboard is trying his belief supremacy over career military officers all of them came forward with names and military titles from same nation and renown political figures too.

Ozzfan compare to those military career officers from your country you are nobody even afraid of putting any avatar icon on your account but want to argue with come forward claims.

More he presses his catholic jihadist words more he loses ground.

That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.
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Message 1264363 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 9:44:48 UTC
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Compare to american approach to ufos british and french approach is really civilized that even their space agencies and military ministries released all their archives on ufo but religious american authorities just too much afraid of losing religious control over their population me guess.

uk official ufo archive: http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

french official archive somewhere in here: http://www.cnes.fr/web/CNES-fr/3349-sa-mission.php

Apparently germans not too late, german court ordered their parliament to release special ufo report: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/german-court-orders-the-p_b_1138444.html - this recent case is kind of juicy.
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Message 1264368 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 10:15:14 UTC - in response to Message 1264363.  


That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.


It's all crap. One man's crap is another's delusional nonsense.
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Message 1264369 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 10:17:53 UTC - in response to Message 1264368.  
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That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.


It's all crap. One man's crap is another's delusional nonsense.


In your culture 90% believe in never saw Jesus/God the scientifically not valid phenomenon too.

How in science some pure human dies but after few days comes alive talks to people but after 2000 years over 100 million people from most powerful country believe in that story and pray for that versus ufo stuffs?!

(for those scared religious people I am not that all anti christianity apparantly my best friend in my town happen to be a christian guy.) for my argument sake i'll take heavy anti religious position.
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Message 1264376 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 10:47:12 UTC

How in science some pure human dies but after few days comes alive talks to people but after 2000 years over 100 million people from most powerful country believe in that story and pray for that versus ufo stuffs?!


Well, that is the million dollar question isn't it! have a chat with the Knights Templar ....
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Message 1264395 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 11:24:58 UTC
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Did not expect that UFO Club is this powerful a NASA astronaut Deke Slayton is a Ufo man too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=4E_SFwrh8wo



... On December 12, 1951, Slayton had an extraordinary aerial experience while testing out a P-51 Mustang in the skies over Minnesota. He described it in his 1995 autobiography, Deke!:

"I realized I wasn't closing on that son of a bitch. A P-51 at that time would cruise at 280 miles an hour. But this thing just kept going and climbing at the same time at about a forty-five-degree climb. I kept trying to follow it, but he just left me behind and flat disappeared. The guys on the ground tracked it with a theodolite, and they'd computed the speed at four thousand miles an hour." ...
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Message 1264654 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 21:48:58 UTC
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I agree with Orgil here!

I think its good that people investigate UFO's! I'm really glad that someone is investigating it. Even if we never find proof, its still good to investigate!

Its like this project, the SETI project. SETI has never detected aliens either, in 50 years of searching. But i'm sure most people here will agree that its good to keep investigating SETI. Well i think UFO's are the same. Its important to investigate them. I just don't have the time myself.

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Message 1264900 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 16:35:03 UTC - in response to Message 1264289.  

Problem is something in the sky is being seen everywhere but at the poles. Pilots with 28 years flying put their reputations on the line.28 Militarys through out the world see someting enough to do studies on them for peroids of time.
It is so much a part of our lives most think you have to be a psycopath to belive. Then there are 3000 cases of trace evidence. The airforce has had ongoing dis-information since 1953 why if they dont exist but 30,000 overflights of the most secure areas in the world and not one shoot down NOT A ONE IN 60 years. Ever ask yourself why.
A manual circa 2009 is UFO recovery and disposal manual one of two found both were genuine with correct stamps and watermarks and signatures. In 1970s Project Blue-Book was disbanded but there is surely something to keep all dis-information going.


Ill will rest my case if you explain what was at Rhedahlshem Air Force base in 1980. 2 countrys report an incident at a nuclear storage area inside the wire. and a human touched a craft swore and signed with over 80 sworn witnesses and civial aircontrolers, joints Chiefs of staff for England and the US. This created a nuclear regulatory incident/accident report. They mustve all been having mass hysteria. And made the misstake of lieing under oath to Joint Chiefs of staff.
If you answer this I will document all your questions with a video response or a direction to where the information can be found..


What you seem to fail to understand is that I'm not saying that certain events never happened. What I have been saying this entire time is that the events that occur are easily explainable given enough information without having to resort to "alien UFOs" which is not a logical conclusion just because people claim it to be.

I can't find any information on Rhedahlshem Air Force base, so I have no idea what you're talking about there. But again, I wouldn't say that there was "mass delusion", more like something weird happened that they can't explain - but that doesn't mean it was alien UFOs. None of them would lie under Oath; they would testify to what they believe they saw, but that doesn't mean what they believe they saw happened as they explain it.
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Message 1264902 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 16:44:42 UTC - in response to Message 1264362.  
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The most funny part in this thread is someone nameless faceless sitting behind keyboard is trying his belief supremacy over career military officers all of them came forward with names and military titles from same nation and renown political figures too.

Ozzfan compare to those military career officers from your country you are nobody even afraid of putting any avatar icon on your account but want to argue with come forward claims.

More he presses his catholic jihadist words more he loses ground.

That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.


Is this all you do Orgil? Trash talk the people who don't agree with you or people who think like you? You've accused me of being a "Catholic jihadist", a "gutless coward", a "hypocrite", and you've even accused me of something far worse that was thankfully hidden by the Mods as offensive (I know because I pressed the red "x" and told them about it).

Do you actually consider what you are doing as acceptable behavior? Is this how you think people should treat each other in a discussion, by typing a bunch of libelous stuff about them without an ounce of truth to what you're saying?

If you actually believe your methods of libeling me are acceptable, that would perfectly explain why you think you've actually brought enough evidence to the table to support the idea of alien UFOs visiting our planet, and I needn't address you further.

Anything short of a change in your behavior and an apology for your libel would restore respect. Don't be an idiot all your life.
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Message 1264903 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 16:46:29 UTC - in response to Message 1264654.  

I agree with Orgil here!

I think its good that people investigate UFO's! I'm really glad that someone is investigating it. Even if we never find proof, its still good to investigate!

Its like this project, the SETI project. SETI has never detected aliens either, in 50 years of searching. But i'm sure most people here will agree that its good to keep investigating SETI. Well i think UFO's are the same. Its important to investigate them. I just don't have the time myself.


Where did Origil say that we need to investigate UFOs, and where has anyone argued that we shouldn't investigate UFOs?

Most certainly I think all strange incidents should be investigated. I just think we need to stop attributing certain events with unproven conclusions unless the evidence supports the claim.
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Message 1264950 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 18:18:47 UTC - in response to Message 1264900.  
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Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9ATxRjiMk

Human touched a craft that was on the ground and over 2 consectutive nights on a nuclear storage area. Inside the wire creates a nuclear accident/incident report and turned over to chiefs of staff of two countries in their morning briefs.
This one cannot be explained away as swamp gas or whatever it cant be lied about because sworn testimoney from over 80 people and 120 cilvilians were3 involved. The Ministry of Defence had control and ruked it as a unknown and no threat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxdNsSwMeDQ&feature=related This the actual tapes from the incident.

another thing was trace radation where the craft was on a ground and 3 imprimts in the soil. Radation was 10 times normal. This is the only government case I would belive because it didnt happen upon american soil.
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Message 1264954 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 18:32:13 UTC - in response to Message 1264950.  

Heres the link to Rhendahlshem forest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI9ATxRjiMk


I will have to watch the video later since I'm still at work.

Human touched a craft that was on the ground and over 2 consectutive nights on a nuclear storage area. Inside the wire creates a nuclear accident/incident report and turned over to chiefs of staff of two countries in their morning briefs.
This one cannot be explained away as swamp gas or whatever it cant be lied about because sworn testimoney from over 80 people and 120 cilvilians were3 involved. The Ministry of Defence had control and ruked it as a unknown and no threat.


You're still judging facts by the number of people swearing under oath. Again, swearing that they saw something or experienced something specific doesn't mean their testimony is indicative of empirical evidence or data.


This is a perfect scenario: Tupac's ghost performs live. For people unfamiliar with the technology, they would swear that Tupac actually performed live in front of an audience as a ghostly image. In fact, the "technology", known as Pepper's Ghost has been around for over 100 years. Less sophisticated people from that time would easily testify that they had seen a ghost. They knew what they saw or touched. That doesn't mean they actually saw a ghost.


Same applies here. I'm sure lots of people saw something, maybe even touched something. That doesn't mean that it was indeed an alien UFO. Even extremely intelligent people are susceptible to falling prey to "magic" tricks. This is why I keep saying that it doesn't matter how many people witness an event, or what their background is. All that matters is the evidence that the event happened, and if there's a simple, logical way to explain the event, then that is the likely answer.
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Message 1264961 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 18:54:07 UTC - in response to Message 1257694.  

I was wondering if you know since 1942 over a million sightings around the world non stop. Pilots, scientists, presidents, and other reliable people all see swamp gas or are delusional in mass.
I used to think it was all crap too but so much stuff has come to light that cant be ignored. Watch this video by Dr Woods it has some very interesting points in it.
www.youtube.com/Encyclopedia of Flying Saucers

Ive seen lights in the sky not knowing what they are. In Almagordo when I lived there in the early 50s I got to see the green fireballs. Scream across the sky way faster that any jet but not a sound. I tend to discount lights in the sky at distance and altitude can be anything common, such as aircraft,balloons, satillites.
The fireballs were different in every aspect from any aircraft, what confused me was how they could change direction in a split second.
When in Michagan I got to see a red cylinder hovering motionless for hours over the Erico Fermi powerplant in Michagan in 1965 this happened on two consecutive days in daylight. The thing didnt move looked round guessing maybe 30 feet long about 3000 feet or so. It was amazing to see. It looked like a florecent tube lightbulb dull red in color. I stayed 3 hours first day and went back the next morning and that thing was there again. It just blinked out and never saw it again.
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Message 1264966 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 18:58:26 UTC
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Are we not supposed to be running Seti@home in order to find an intelligent signal coming from the stars, telling that we are not alone in the Universe?

From the beginning, the UFO subject became debunked, because the matter was being investigated by the military because of other events which took place in the late 1940's and 1950's.

Still, there are many credible witnesses among ordinary civilians and at times objects have been observed which are thought not to be coming from earth.

Our own technology appears to be catching up with objects (crafts) which may have been observed. The space shuttle program is as far as I know not currently active, still there is business going on in space - at least we have the International Space Station running and crews manning the station needs to be refreshed at regular times. Also supplies are constantly needed in order for the station to be working.

Also there are stories coming through which tells about possible encounters between humans and extraterrestrial presence in space. Some of these facts are documented and available to viewers by means of YouTube. In the end you are the one who is left to believe whether what is happening is true or not.

So therefore it us for your eyes to decide and believe whether we are alone or not in the Universe.
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Message 1264971 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 19:08:21 UTC - in response to Message 1264961.  
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I was wondering if you know since 1942 over a million sightings around the world non stop. Pilots, scientists, presidents, and other reliable people all see swamp gas or are delusional in mass.
I used to think it was all crap too but so much stuff has come to light that cant be ignored. Watch this video by Dr Woods it has some very interesting points in it.
www.youtube.com/Encyclopedia of Flying Saucers


I know that not a single sighting has enough evidence to support the claim. I've also outlined the logic that if aliens were visiting our planet, there's no way any government agency would be able to hide their existence. Others have outlined the technical limitations to aliens visiting our planet and needing an almost limitless supply of energy to travel such large distances.

Until any of those scientists, military, presidents, governors, and standard citizens can provide extraordinary proof for their extraordinary claims, there simply must be another explanation. I often find when discussing such facts with these people, they purposely discount any inquiries into other possibilities because "they know what they saw". Many of them want it to be true so bad that they aren't willing to believe anything else.

Ive seen lights in the sky not knowing what they are. In Almagordo when I lived there in the early 50s I got to see the green fireballs. Scream across the sky way faster that any jet but not a sound. I tend to discount lights in the sky at distance and altitude can be anything common, such as aircraft,balloons, satillites.
The fireballs were different in every aspect from any aircraft, what confused me was how they could change direction in a split second.
When in Michagan I got to see a red cylinder hovering motionless for hours over the Erico Fermi powerplant in Michagan in 1965 this happened on two consecutive days in daylight. The thing didnt move looked round guessing maybe 30 feet long about 3000 feet or so. It was amazing to see. It looked like a florecent tube lightbulb dull red in color. I stayed 3 hours first day and went back the next morning and that thing was there again. It just blinked out and never saw it again.


And of course the only explanation is alien spacecraft. No other possible explanation exists as long as you don't look for one.

I once believed I had an out of body experience and met God. For a long time I wanted to believe it was true until someone else smarter than me pointed out several flaws with my conclusion - and it also helped that the more I looked for the truth, the more I felt that being honest with myself was important. I now know that I never had an out of body experience and I certainly didn't meet God. My experience was simply due to other stressful factors that I wanted to believe I was more special than I really was.

I'm sure you believe in what you saw, and you probably saw something, but I don't believe what you witnessed was an alien spacecraft or anything of the sort.
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Message 1264972 - Posted: 27 Jul 2012, 19:10:44 UTC - in response to Message 1264966.  

Are we not supposed to be running Seti@home in order to find an intelligent signal coming from the stars, telling that we are not alone in the Universe?


Yes, we are searching for the evidence that we are not alone.

Still, there are many credible witnesses among ordinary civilians and at times objects have been observed which are thought not to be coming from earth.


The only credible witness is one that brings empirical evidence with them.

Also there are stories coming through which tells about possible encounters between humans and extraterrestrial presence in space. Some of these facts are documented and available to viewers by means of YouTube. In the end you are the one who is left to believe whether what is happening is true or not.

So therefore it us for your eyes to decide and believe whether we are alone or not in the Universe.


Facts should determined from evidence, not individual perspective or opinion.
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