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Message 1263193 - Posted: 22 Jul 2012, 2:25:45 UTC
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On the subject of spy planes there was the SR-71 "Blackbird" which was created after Gary Powers got shot down in the U-2. She had a titanium fuselage which would glow hot from the air drag friction. She was capable of Mach 3+ so they say. I have heard rumors that the SR-71 was much faster. Thy made a half dozen or so. You can see one outside, in front of the Space Museum in Huntsville Alabama.

I was stationed there when they were testing the Saturn Five rocket. When they test fired it the golf course turf would shake some miles away. A great place there, I went to Ammo school there and played safety on our class' football team.

My alter ego has some fond memories of the place himself

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Message 1263433 - Posted: 22 Jul 2012, 18:31:23 UTC
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Here is one question concerning UFOs: Why hasnt a UFO ever been shot down over a city or secure areas such as Los Alalmos, Sandia labratory, Whitesands Missle test range, Dugway proving grounds. These bases are our most secure bases and some have had 3000 sightings a month and many pilots killed trying to pursue.
I watched some SR71s at Edwards and Okinawa I know they can outfly a sidewinder they are flay at about 2200 mph.
The airforce has more than one craft and recover them worldwide.
As for funding black operations thats enough money to build 47 nuclear carriers. This fund could even be more there is no chain of command even the president cant shut it down, Military Industrial Complex completely out of control. If they do have the power of interstellar travel the power they use could be a vast change to the earth. They have there own banks, bankers, unlimited cash and no controls by the Government. For 60 years your grandkids future is being spent to break the countrys economy.
How much is a trillion dollars? A train could haul it, only took 60 years to fill it up. How does congress fund black projects? Do they know what black projects ,they arent even told. There isnt any control. B1 1.92 billion apiece for 21 planes, 20 now one crashed in Guam. Theres no justification for that cost when something much cheaper could do the same mission. All these 4/5 Star generals have a share of what is known and lied about much of it could send them to prison for purgery in front of congress and the people of the United States.
The Airforce has the evidence and anything finacial has long been sdestroyed to protect the guily. How do you make the Air Force release what they know and what they have to share with congress. Wright Pattersons "Blue Room" has the evidence to show. Nellis afb also, several locations have evidence.
Why was all information placed above top secret clearance level? UFOs dont exist acoording to the airforce but the following studies have benn funded by the army and airforce sometimes jointly.
These Projects contridict that: Project Sign: studying over 3,300 sightings over Sandia Labratories, Los Alamos, Almagordo, Whitesands havings green fireballs overflights.
Project Twinkle: Short lived study on UFOS
Project Grudge 1951 Now something has happened Eisenhower is alarmed that there are 30000 sightings since 1947 over secure areas and no one is shooting anything down. The Air Force denies IKe access, he does his Military Industrial complex out of control speech. Eisenhower could not question anything the airforce had on black projects. Project Grudge was to dis-inform anything about UFOs
Project Blue Book: Gather compile information photos and anything concerning UFOs. Deny , lie, coverup any crash or recovery of downed UFOs. Dis-informnation anyone sees a UFO is a psycopath, crackpots, hire top tier scientists to reflute UFOs, all time classic created by J.Allen Hyneck "Swamp Gas" to this day continues.
If the air force had an alliance or reverse engineered their own OFOs you would see them in combat. Could be a possibity that some sightings are our ufos. I think the Airforce has f\irst line knowledge of UFOs and is assisting with their secrecy.
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Message 1263489 - Posted: 22 Jul 2012, 21:11:27 UTC - in response to Message 1263433.  
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Here is one question concerning UFOs: Why hasnt a UFO ever been shot down over a city or secure areas such as Los Alalmos, Sandia labratory, Whitesands Missle test range, Dugway proving grounds.


Occam's Razor applies here. One hasn't been shot down because they haven't been visiting.


As for funding black operations thats enough money to build 47 nuclear carriers.


Agreed. It is a lot of money. I don't think you can suggest that because it is a lot of money that it has to be spent on hiding alien spacecraft. Nor has anyone here suggested that it was a single Black Op. How do you know it was all spent in one place? Because someone claimed it without providing evidence for their claim?

This fund could even be more there is no chain of command even the president cant shut it down, Military Industrial Complex completely out of control. If they do have the power of interstellar travel the power they use could be a vast change to the earth. They have there own banks, bankers, unlimited cash and no controls by the Government. For 60 years your grandkids future is being spent to break the countrys economy.


Can you prove that the money is being spent as you suggest? Or are you just going to keep bringing up a bunch of unsupported claims and try to say that you're being objective?

Theres no justification for that cost when something much cheaper could do the same mission. All these 4/5 Star generals have a share of what is known and lied about much of it could send them to prison for purgery in front of congress and the people of the United States.


No justification except that they have to be hiding alien spacecraft, right? Couldn't possibly be hundreds of smaller projects, no?

The Airforce has the evidence and anything finacial has long been sdestroyed to protect the guily.


If it has been destroyed, how do you know about it? Because you believe other people's unsupported claims?

How do you make the Air Force release what they know and what they have to share with congress. Wright Pattersons "Blue Room" has the evidence to show. Nellis afb also, several locations have evidence.


How would you know what evidence there is if you've never seen it? More unsubstantiated claims?

Why was all information placed above top secret clearance level? UFOs dont exist acoording to the airforce but the following studies have benn funded by the army and airforce sometimes jointly.


Because the government has projects they don't want the public to know about. The US Government is not nearly powerful enough to hide alien visitations from another planet. There's no evidence to support the idea that any alien civilization would even go along with our Government's plan to hide their existence.

These Projects contridict that: Project Sign: studying over 3,300 sightings over Sandia Labratories, Los Alamos, Almagordo, Whitesands havings green fireballs overflights.


Never heard of green flares huh?

Project Twinkle: Short lived study on UFOS


Perhaps because they knew it was a dead end?

Project Grudge 1951 Now something has happened Eisenhower is alarmed that there are 30000 sightings since 1947 over secure areas and no one is shooting anything down. The Air Force denies IKe access, he does his Military Industrial complex out of control speech. Eisenhower could not question anything the airforce had on black projects. Project Grudge was to dis-inform anything about UFOs


Can you provide any authoritative reference to suggest that the President isn't cleared to investigate where money and manpower is being spent? Further, can you provide any authoritative reference to the idea that all of this is to cover up alien spacecraft?

Project Blue Book: Gather compile information photos and anything concerning UFOs. Deny , lie, coverup any crash or recovery of downed UFOs. Dis-informnation anyone sees a UFO is a psycopath, crackpots, hire top tier scientists to reflute UFOs, all time classic created by J.Allen Hyneck "Swamp Gas" to this day continues.


Project Blue Book has been closed since 1970. They were unable to find anything to substantiate the claims that reported sightings of UFOs were of alien origin.

If the air force had an alliance or reverse engineered their own OFOs you would see them in combat. Could be a possibity that some sightings are our ufos. I think the Airforce has f\irst line knowledge of UFOs and is assisting with their secrecy.


We have begun to see new tech coming out of the Air Force. Unmanned drones has been one of them and we've seen them in recent attacks.

What evidence is there to support the idea that the Air Force has been assisting with hiding alien beings? Where is the evidence to support the claim?


Again, all you've brought up is the same conspiracy stuff that has been re-hashed by alien conspiracy nuts over and over again. They are all nothing more than unsupported claims without a shred of evidence.

I'm beginning to feel like a broken record here, but again I ask: where's the evidence to support any of what you're saying? You keep talking about claims but you have not established a single fact. You're too drawn into this conspiracy and you've allowed yourself to get caught up in the claims to the point where you have stopped asking the right questions and allowed what a few people have claimed to rule your entire line of thinking.
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Message 1263872 - Posted: 23 Jul 2012, 22:22:26 UTC
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I remember when I was younger ,( a long time ago ) I visited my local swimming pool.
I was wearing goggles because of the chlorine in the water,and when I looked down
to the floor of the pool I saw a USO.
This Unidentified Submerged Object was witnessed by quite a few people,
including the Mayor of our town who happened to be swimming that day.
None of us were under the influence of drink or drugs when we saw this USO.
It deffinately existed (I don't think it was mass hysteria, but I remember a feeling of slight concern).
It was cigar shaped ( similar to some UFOs) but seemed too small to be piloted,even by ant
sized aliens, so I presume it was a drone sent from a water world just checking us out.
It was also cigar coloured,not the silvery coloured type we hear about all the time.
As it just "appeared from nowhere"' I can only presume it came through a Wormhole of
some type using propulsion technology way above our understanding.
I remember a call over the swimming pool's PA system and two men wearing uniforms
appeared from nowhere and retrieved this USO using a large stick with a net on the end of it.
I presume because of their swift appearance and the ability to have the right equipment
necessary for this unexpected occurrence that they worked for some secret government
agency who deal exclusively with USOs and had information from the Prime Minister and the leaders
of our armed forces,as to when these USO sightings would occur,and the exact time and location.
It is deffinately a cover up of some sort,as this USO sighting (which was witnessed by 60 or more
people ,including our mayor and a librarian and Brian the vicar who I know wouldn't lye about
anything)never made the news in any form whatsoever.
There was a complete media ban,possibly enforced by MI5 ( and 6 ), but everybody there
that day knew they had seen something "not of this world".

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Edit: 20 years later I found out that all my presumptions were just a load of shit.
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Message 1263879 - Posted: 23 Jul 2012, 22:51:48 UTC - in response to Message 1263872.  

.... had seen something "not of this world".

john3760

Edit: 20 years later I found out that all my presumptions were just a load of shit.

LOL....Good one. Or should i say, a good hard one!

Good story John.
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Message 1264091 - Posted: 24 Jul 2012, 14:23:59 UTC

Well everybody know that only americans and russians predominantly own nuclear missiles and call themselves absalute gods of this planet. But some nuke force officers are coming forward that ufo's really approached them and even deactivated those supreme weapons:

on CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6907702.html

on Larry King CNN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz5cKoChQU
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Message 1264103 - Posted: 24 Jul 2012, 14:50:04 UTC - in response to Message 1264091.  

But some nuke force officers are coming forward that ufo's really approached them and even deactivated those supreme weapons:

on CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-201_162-6907702.html

on Larry King CNN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvz5cKoChQU


Ok, some some unidentified flying object "magically disabled" some nuclear armaments. Any chance these unidentified flying objects were part of the military's multi-billion dollar projects and some of that top-secret work that they don't want the public to know about?

Nah, it must have been alien beings! It's the only logical answer!
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Message 1264106 - Posted: 24 Jul 2012, 15:13:21 UTC
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This fact is very cool to ignore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VgGt99gmeA - even astronauts joining the club.
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Message 1264134 - Posted: 24 Jul 2012, 22:10:25 UTC - in response to Message 1264106.  

This fact is very cool to ignore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VgGt99gmeA - even astronauts joining the club.


Agreed. It is a cool fact to ignore, because this isn't a game of who believes what. This is all about evidence.
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Message 1264152 - Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 0:50:16 UTC

This fact is from uk the plane full of people witnessed very cool stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMjHcxhu-V0

The plane capitan even went to another country and claimed his incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNqQUh24cg


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Message 1264204 - Posted: 25 Jul 2012, 20:34:06 UTC - in response to Message 1264152.  

Oh yeah, and you can find lots of people trying to capture ghosts and post the videos on Youtube too. People can believe anything they want. If they want others to believe it as well, you need to provide evidence.
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Message 1264289 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 1:08:53 UTC - in response to Message 1264204.  

Problem is something in the sky is being seen everywhere but at the poles. Pilots with 28 years flying put their reputations on the line.28 Militarys through out the world see someting enough to do studies on them for peroids of time.
It is so much a part of our lives most think you have to be a psycopath to belive. Then there are 3000 cases of trace evidence. The airforce has had ongoing dis-information since 1953 why if they dont exist but 30,000 overflights of the most secure areas in the world and not one shoot down NOT A ONE IN 60 years. Ever ask yourself why.
A manual circa 2009 is UFO recovery and disposal manual one of two found both were genuine with correct stamps and watermarks and signatures. In 1970s Project Blue-Book was disbanded but there is surely something to keep all dis-information going.
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Message 1264291 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 1:24:49 UTC - in response to Message 1263489.  
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Ill will rest my case if you explain what was at Rhedahlshem Air Force base in 1980. 2 countrys report an incident at a nuclear storage area inside the wire. and a human touched a craft swore and signed with over 80 sworn witnesses and civial aircontrolers, joints Chiefs of staff for England and the US. This created a nuclear regulatory incident/accident report. They mustve all been having mass hysteria. And made the misstake of lieing under oath to Joint Chiefs of staff.
If you answer this I will document all your questions with a video response or a direction to where the information can be found..

Flares green fireballs see over 6000 square miles of cities and secure areas hundereds of miles apart. Progect sign/ project grudge was formed to study them.
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Message 1264292 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 1:36:45 UTC - in response to Message 1262782.  

The star charts with 11 major stars was correct in every asspect. I dont think I could draw the same from memory. This is Glise 581 system thats earth like superearths have been found 29 lightyears away.
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Message 1264362 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 9:41:31 UTC
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The most funny part in this thread is someone nameless faceless sitting behind keyboard is trying his belief supremacy over career military officers all of them came forward with names and military titles from same nation and renown political figures too.

Ozzfan compare to those military career officers from your country you are nobody even afraid of putting any avatar icon on your account but want to argue with come forward claims.

More he presses his catholic jihadist words more he loses ground.

That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.
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Message 1264363 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 9:44:48 UTC
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Compare to american approach to ufos british and french approach is really civilized that even their space agencies and military ministries released all their archives on ufo but religious american authorities just too much afraid of losing religious control over their population me guess.

uk official ufo archive: http://ufos.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

french official archive somewhere in here: http://www.cnes.fr/web/CNES-fr/3349-sa-mission.php

Apparently germans not too late, german court ordered their parliament to release special ufo report: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alejandro-rojas/german-court-orders-the-p_b_1138444.html - this recent case is kind of juicy.
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Message 1264368 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 10:15:14 UTC - in response to Message 1264363.  


That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.


It's all crap. One man's crap is another's delusional nonsense.
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That is why UFO phenomenon is getting more ground into human civilization and those creator gods religious crap is losing more and more ground.


It's all crap. One man's crap is another's delusional nonsense.


In your culture 90% believe in never saw Jesus/God the scientifically not valid phenomenon too.

How in science some pure human dies but after few days comes alive talks to people but after 2000 years over 100 million people from most powerful country believe in that story and pray for that versus ufo stuffs?!

(for those scared religious people I am not that all anti christianity apparantly my best friend in my town happen to be a christian guy.) for my argument sake i'll take heavy anti religious position.
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Message 1264395 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 11:24:58 UTC
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Did not expect that UFO Club is this powerful a NASA astronaut Deke Slayton is a Ufo man too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=4E_SFwrh8wo



... On December 12, 1951, Slayton had an extraordinary aerial experience while testing out a P-51 Mustang in the skies over Minnesota. He described it in his 1995 autobiography, Deke!:

"I realized I wasn't closing on that son of a bitch. A P-51 at that time would cruise at 280 miles an hour. But this thing just kept going and climbing at the same time at about a forty-five-degree climb. I kept trying to follow it, but he just left me behind and flat disappeared. The guys on the ground tracked it with a theodolite, and they'd computed the speed at four thousand miles an hour." ...
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Message 1264654 - Posted: 26 Jul 2012, 21:48:58 UTC
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I agree with Orgil here!

I think its good that people investigate UFO's! I'm really glad that someone is investigating it. Even if we never find proof, its still good to investigate!

Its like this project, the SETI project. SETI has never detected aliens either, in 50 years of searching. But i'm sure most people here will agree that its good to keep investigating SETI. Well i think UFO's are the same. Its important to investigate them. I just don't have the time myself.

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