Personally I prefer the term extraterrestrials. 'Aliens' seems to emphasize the differences between sentient beings, rather than what they have in common. It also seems to have picked up some unpleasant connotations. True, though, on every other planet in the universe but this one, *we* are the 'other', the outsiders, the aliens, if you will.

If the same situation is repeted when `aliens` from europe first `visited` the americas (north and south) i hope we as a species dont do it again,
and if we do we deserve whatever the natives can throw at us to stop us doing it all again.

If we're still here in 3 billion years, we may have learned how to inhibit the expansion of the Sun by mixing it stratified layers and prolonging its stable life span. At least one nearby star, Zeti Reticuli appears to be part of a group of old stars, but has some points of appearance of a much younger one.
The newly discovered prospective planet KOI 172.02 may not be suitable for human habitation anyway. It could be full of sentient life already, either native to the planet or colonized from elsewhere.

We won't be (here in 3 billion years.) At best we'll have evolved into something else, at worst we'll have become extinct.

This is the first time I had heard of mixing layers of the sun to prolong it's life. Do you have a link? Wouldn't really do anything about the fundamental problem of it running out of hydrogen and forcing it to start fusing helium instead.

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If memory serves, there is thought to be still-usable hydrogen in the stratified layers of an aging star. The trick is getting it back into the core, where it can undergo fusion, hence the idea of mixing the layers. Will offer a link here, in re this, as soon as I can find it.

Here is one link on stellar engineering and rejuvenation: http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/S/solar_astroengineering_Cathcart.html

The Law may still hold Universally, but suppose energy/matter could transfer from one multiverse "bubble" to another. That would give the appearance of violating the Law.


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According to what I have learned from reading and watching videos for several years now, the conservation of energy 'law' is not violated where over-unity exists. Energy is all around us, even in a vacuum at absolute zero, hence the term 'zero point'. What we are just now learning is how to utilize that energy. The main hurdle is past, we know it's there, it is no longer just science fiction. The most common way to tap into this energy is through rotating magnetic fields and the are quite a few demonstrations of how to do this on the web. Look up Bedini engine, Searle effect, Rotating Overunity Asymmetrical Devices and The Bill Muller alternator to name a few. I believe these are the power sources for UFO's (call me crazy if you want :).

HOW TO BUILD SOLID-STATE ELECTRICAL OVER-UNITY DEVICES
http://www.intalek.com/Papers/Handout3.pdf

Bill Muller Generator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyObQfTATDw

Witts 2000 Watt Fuelless Generator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFu-s6ZmGyE

TurXotorâ„¢ (Motor with Virtual Generator-%400 Efficient)
Based on Bedini circuit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTLwMBak6eE&list=PL86341118177EF6B3

Omega RF-5000
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ERYReuQIrA&list=PLE0E85DCDDBA48B3D

Searl and Newton Part 1 (Searle Effect Generator)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-O7WNvKSvY

All these devices produce energy. Think about scaling them up. The Searle device also produces an anti-gravity effect. There also seems to be a sort of 'bubble' around the device which inhibits inertia that forms at very high RPM when the device is running. Prof. Searle has been at this a long time.
All these generators stem from Tesla's early experiments. We have the technology to get away from fossil fuels right now. Lets just see if the governments of the world allow this to happen.

There are also groups looking into using toroidal magnetic fields. Here is a good intro.
THRIVE: What On Earth Will It Take?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEV5AFFcZ-s

OK... I'll bite:

Witts 2000 Watt Fuelless Generator

So why are not thousands of them already powering the world? That would be a fast-track way to avert the present CO2 global warming pollution disaster!


Also... Why do UFOs need or offer perpetual energy devices?...

Keep searchin',
Martin

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One word, Suppression

Watch the Thrive video first.

Oh, Dog, another perpetual motion concept.

I remember having a heated argument in these forums a few years ago on another similar notion (if I recall it was cars that run on water, or something).

As always, believers say it is a cover up or it is being suppressed by the big oild companies or something. In fact, if this worked for real, then the big oil companies would start manufacturing these devices instead of pumping oil because, despite what a lot of people think, the big oil companies are not really in the oil business. They are in the 'making money' business.

Martin: You and I don't always agree but I would bet we do this time. We aren't surrounded by these things because they don't work. :P

And, no, I didn't watch the 2 hour long video. I simply don't have the time to sit through it, figure out where the scam is, then report it.

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Like an earlier poster said, I have watched the skies for many decades and have not seen anything that can't be explained.
Maybe Ireland doesn't attract our alleged off world visitors :)

One thing I do know,
if aliens are, and have been,
covertly visiting us from some place many light years away,
they are not using linear high speed flight to get here.
Space is a very dangerous place,
akin to a shooting gallery full of high speed debris and micro meteorites.

If they are visiting us
other physics are being used which we may not have even dreamt of,
perhaps 10's of thousands of years ahead of us technologically.

Humans are uncivilised,
imagine this technology in the hands of the unscrupulous?
That is why our alleged visitors play cat and mouse.
And if humans have their hands on even a small portion
of this tech from reverse engineered captured craft,
they also will keep the lid on it,
particularly if it's the military.

And as Ben Rich of Lockheed fame is claimed to have said...
"It would take an act of God to release this technology from black projects to benefit humanity"

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Nice avatar, Donegal:)

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Societies have a natural form of progression where technology evolves along with the rules of when to use it, especially when weaponised.

Imagine the American civil war outcome if the southern states got their hands on a consignment of modern Kalashnikovs, it would have changed history forever.
If we have et visitors, they know this, and have probably seen the effects of their breaking cover on other worlds that were not ready.

So you can be sure rules are in place, like the Star Trek prime directive.

Those of you who have seen my previous posts know that I believe off world life exist, as sure as the air you breathe. They may be 10 ly's away or 1000, we don't know. Traversing Interstellar distances is extremely difficult, but if it can be done, there are societies out there that could be eons ahead of us in this game, and if it can be cracked, they have done it.

Whether they are visiting us covertly,
I have to say it could very well be possible.
There are a lot of credible witnesses.

If this is true,
It is my opinion that disclosure will not take place intentionally any time in the near future. The only hope we have is if something happens by accident, that can not be explained away by debunking and disinformation.

Perhaps a major natural disaster looming that forces them to show their hand.

Aliens exist, probably billions of planets of sentient life,
just personally I have nothing to contribute in the form of evidence for them visiting us.

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That's the UFO phenomena from an alien point of view.

From a human point of view,
those that are on this planet that are in possession of some of this tech
are ruthless.
To them we are sheep, worthless mindless souls to be placated.
They threaten and silence witnesses,
blackmail them with the loss of pensions and the safety of their families,
try to rubbish their reputations.
Secrets can be kept through fear and intimidation.
Mainstream scientists won't touch the subject
for fear of their reputation and loosing grant funding.

We are on the outside, not aware,
concerned with our own day to day cares,
blissfully unaware of the complexity of this deceit.

In the history of humanity
this is the biggest story ever,
and it is truly criminal that the general population
know nothing about it.

Other than the dedicated souls with an interest in the field,
and they are very much in the minority,
no one would know the few fragments that we have.
Throw in the hoaxers and charlatans
and the waters become very muddy
making valid research damn near impossible.

But the info is there,
snippets of it in any event,
if you know where to look.

Make of it what you will.

The internet is a very public place
so that will do for now.

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